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Mark Henry
post Mar 29 2019, 07:31 PM
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Just wondering what value we should be putting on /6 conversions these days? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif)

My teen, if it was still a /4, I wouldn't even consider an offer under $25K Canadian, so about $18-19K USD. Not that I want to sell.

/6 core prices are way way up, and so are running engines, What about a fresh performance build?. I used to tell customers a conversion would run $30K (CAD) with engine. but I seriously doubt I could do that now.

My teen is a '74 (1.8 base) paint is (guessing) a 30 yr/old respray colour change, a 7/10 from chips and scratches only, but perfect OG body, perfect interior, Evil tranny, 5-bolt, fuchs , bilsteins, front suspension, etc
Engine 3.0, 2K miles, twinplug/MSD, webers, custom mahle pistons, web cams, fresh build, alumimum tank, etc

No clue what the replacement value for insurance would be..... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/confused24.gif)
What do you think your /6 conversion is worth?
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post Apr 1 2019, 10:19 AM
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So I wonder what I should insure my project for? If complete cars are selling for 50k plus I probably have 25-30k project car? Sum of parts of course.
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post Apr 1 2019, 11:02 AM
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QUOTE(mb911 @ Apr 1 2019, 12:19 PM) *

So I wonder what I should insure my project for? If complete cars are selling for 50k plus I probably have 25-30k project car? Sum of parts of course.


Don't mix up replacement value with your cost to build. You might have been able to build your engine for $10K but if you try to buy the same from Henry, you pay what, $25K. You would be shooting yourself in the foot if you give the insurance companies the cheapest number possible. If you have a loss, they might come down from retail but it's sure better than coming down from wholesale.

My attorney always says the person with the most documentation wins. If you present documentation for what the car actually cost the average person, not the industry insider, (honestly of course) there is a better chance of actually receiving that money than hoping they find an acceptable value from their resources. Do you think the Early S 911 guys are using what they paid for the car $50K or what it would cost to replace - $200K.

If you suffer a loss and you feel the insurance company is paying you too much, you can always accept less (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)
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QUOTE(mepstein @ Apr 1 2019, 01:02 PM) *

QUOTE(mb911 @ Apr 1 2019, 12:19 PM) *

So I wonder what I should insure my project for? If complete cars are selling for 50k plus I probably have 25-30k project car? Sum of parts of course.


Don't mix up replacement value with your cost to build. You might have been able to build your engine for $10K but if you try to buy the same from Henry, you pay what, $25K. You would be shooting yourself in the foot if you give the insurance companies the cheapest number possible. If you have a loss, they might come down from retail but it's sure better than coming down from wholesale.




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My engine did cost me about $10K, but there was a lot of wheeling & dealing over 3-4 years to do it, plus all the labour, plus the Canadian dollar was at par at the time. For a customer who wants a done project in a couple months, same engine, $25K USD easy. And that's just the engine.

I want a replacement value that would get me a comparable 914/6 conversion.

engine $25K
my car $18K
suspension, brakes, bilstein struts, fuchs, etc., new tranny, /6 tank, etc... it's a freaking big list.
$12K?

There's $55k USD or for me it's$72K CAD, and not many nice /6 conversions come up for sale in these parts.
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QUOTE(Mark Henry @ Apr 1 2019, 10:51 PM) *

QUOTE(mepstein @ Apr 1 2019, 01:02 PM) *

QUOTE(mb911 @ Apr 1 2019, 12:19 PM) *

So I wonder what I should insure my project for? If complete cars are selling for 50k plus I probably have 25-30k project car? Sum of parts of course.


Don't mix up replacement value with your cost to build. You might have been able to build your engine for $10K but if you try to buy the same from Henry, you pay what, $25K. You would be shooting yourself in the foot if you give the insurance companies the cheapest number possible. If you have a loss, they might come down from retail but it's sure better than coming down from wholesale.




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My engine did cost me about $10K, but there was a lot of wheeling & dealing over 3-4 years to do it, plus all the labour, plus the Canadian dollar was at par at the time. For a customer who wants a done project in a couple months, same engine, $25K USD easy. And that's just the engine.

I want a replacement value that would get me a comparable 914/6 conversion.

engine $25K
my car $18K
suspension, brakes, bilstein struts, fuchs, etc., new tranny, /6 tank, etc... it's a freaking big list.
$12K?

There's $55k USD or for me it's$72K CAD, and not many nice /6 conversions come up for sale in these parts.

Our shop is building at least a dozen $150-200K + project cars. At least 2 have $90K engines. If we went by book value, they'd be $40K each.
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QUOTE(mepstein @ Apr 1 2019, 11:01 PM) *

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QUOTE(mepstein @ Apr 1 2019, 01:02 PM) *

QUOTE(mb911 @ Apr 1 2019, 12:19 PM) *

So I wonder what I should insure my project for? If complete cars are selling for 50k plus I probably have 25-30k project car? Sum of parts of course.


Don't mix up replacement value with your cost to build. You might have been able to build your engine for $10K but if you try to buy the same from Henry, you pay what, $25K. You would be shooting yourself in the foot if you give the insurance companies the cheapest number possible. If you have a loss, they might come down from retail but it's sure better than coming down from wholesale.




(IMG:style_emoticons/default/agree.gif)

My engine did cost me about $10K, but there was a lot of wheeling & dealing over 3-4 years to do it, plus all the labour, plus the Canadian dollar was at par at the time. For a customer who wants a done project in a couple months, same engine, $25K USD easy. And that's just the engine.

I want a replacement value that would get me a comparable 914/6 conversion.

engine $25K
my car $18K
suspension, brakes, bilstein struts, fuchs, etc., new tranny, /6 tank, etc... it's a freaking big list.
$12K?

There's $55k USD or for me it's$72K CAD, and not many nice /6 conversions come up for sale in these parts.

Our shop is building at least a dozen $150-200K + project cars. At least 2 have $90K engines. If we went by book value, they'd be $40K each.

So are you saying I'm low?
I think I am but I want a realistic replacement value.
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Mark Henry   Six conversion value for insurance?   Mar 29 2019, 07:31 PM
Dion   Mark I have American Collectors Insurance I put a...   Mar 29 2019, 07:40 PM
worn   Just wondering what value we should be putting on...   Mar 29 2019, 07:42 PM
Mark Henry   :agree: I'm more worried about the other guy...   Mar 29 2019, 07:51 PM
mepstein   When I built custom bikes at the bike shop, I woul...   Mar 29 2019, 08:30 PM
mlindner   Mark, mine is in the last stage of assembly. Two y...   Mar 30 2019, 05:25 AM
mepstein   Mark, mine is in the last stage of assembly. Two ...   Mar 30 2019, 06:31 AM
worn   Mark, mine is in the last stage of assembly. Two ...   Mar 30 2019, 04:42 PM
defianty   I've currently only got mine insured for 25K U...   Mar 30 2019, 07:11 AM
scallyk9   My '74 3.2L conversion is insured with Hagerty...   Mar 30 2019, 10:44 AM
daytona   I have my 74 with 3.0L insured with Hagerty for 45...   Mar 30 2019, 02:30 PM
raynekat   Get a professional appraisal...period. Someone wh...   Mar 30 2019, 03:31 PM
thelogo   Conversion 50 k As those can be replaced You coul...   Mar 30 2019, 03:48 PM
mepstein   Conversion 50 k As those can be replaced You cou...   Mar 30 2019, 04:30 PM
thelogo   Conversion 50 k As those can be replaced You co...   Mar 31 2019, 07:35 AM
EdwardBlume   It’s not how much it’s worth, it’s how much ...   Mar 30 2019, 04:14 PM
DickSteinkamp   It’s not how much it’s worth, it’s how much...   Mar 31 2019, 10:05 AM
dr914@autoatlanta.com   any decent six conversion (genuine five lug conver...   Mar 30 2019, 04:29 PM
larryM   any decent six conversion ... Nice paint and inte...   Apr 2 2019, 02:42 PM
Larmo63   My '73 2.4S conversion narrow body hot rod is ...   Mar 30 2019, 07:13 PM
RickS   Only have mine at 30K agreed value. The conversion...   Mar 30 2019, 10:24 PM
Mark Henry   So here's my build sheet for 3.0 1974 914 six ...   Mar 31 2019, 07:09 AM
mepstein   Most of the big names charge $20-30k for a fu...   Mar 31 2019, 07:34 AM
Mark Henry   Like I said, the only way to get a true replacem...   Mar 31 2019, 08:00 AM
mepstein   Like I said, the only way to get a true replace...   Mar 31 2019, 09:08 AM
ConeDodger   I think $50K is the floor. The ceiling is whe...   Mar 31 2019, 09:32 AM
wobbletop   I put mine at $65K canadian. Better safe than...   Mar 31 2019, 10:41 AM
Mark Henry   I believe a 917 was $35k from the factory in...   Mar 31 2019, 11:28 AM
mepstein   I believe a 917 was $35k from the factory i...   Mar 31 2019, 11:40 AM
wobbletop   Who with? Hagerty? Cripes by that metric I'm...   Mar 31 2019, 01:17 PM
horizontally-opposed   Correct. The last time I asked here, the consensu...   Mar 31 2019, 10:47 PM
Mark Henry   The other issue if the wife finds out what it...   Mar 31 2019, 11:50 AM
horizontally-opposed   The other issue if the wife finds out what it...   Mar 31 2019, 10:43 PM
jagalyn   The other issue if the wife finds out what it...   Apr 1 2019, 01:34 AM
Coondog   Currently have mine at 50k, and will be raising it...   Mar 31 2019, 12:35 PM
jagalyn   They say 'buy the best one you can afford...   Apr 1 2019, 07:36 AM
horizontally-opposed   They say 'buy the best one you can afford...   Apr 1 2019, 10:16 AM
mepstein   Never sell.   Apr 1 2019, 07:38 AM
jagalyn   Never sell. Yep... should have told me that 25 ...   Apr 1 2019, 07:42 AM
MoveQik   I have an agreed upon value with Hagerty of ...   Apr 1 2019, 09:54 AM
mb911   So I wonder what I should insure my project for? I...   Apr 1 2019, 10:19 AM
mepstein   So I wonder what I should insure my project for? ...   Apr 1 2019, 11:02 AM
Mark Henry   So I wonder what I should insure my project for?...   Apr 1 2019, 08:51 PM
mepstein   [quote name='mepstein' post='2701699' date='Apr 1...   Apr 1 2019, 09:01 PM
Mark Henry   [quote name='mepstein' post='2701699' date='Apr ...   Apr 1 2019, 09:06 PM
mepstein   [quote name='mepstein' post='2701843' date='Apr 1...   Apr 1 2019, 09:27 PM
JRust   With insurance like you said. IT isn't what yo...   Apr 1 2019, 09:51 PM
roblav1   Concur at least $50k US for a good 6 conversi...   Apr 2 2019, 09:38 AM
Mark Henry   Concur at least $50k US for a good 6 convers...   Apr 2 2019, 10:39 AM
roblav1   JE 9.5:1. This engine has the lighter 2.7 6 bolt ...   Apr 2 2019, 10:59 AM
Retroracer   My Insurance renewal came up last month; but this ...   Apr 2 2019, 11:43 AM
mepstein   A Singer is just a modified 964. 964 vin. If it ge...   Apr 2 2019, 03:14 PM
11tenths   What's the purpose of having insurance- is it ...   Apr 2 2019, 03:17 PM
thelogo   - spend some time on Patrick Motorsports' site...   Apr 5 2019, 04:18 PM
bbrock   FYI, I just bought a Hagerty policy yesterday for ...   Apr 3 2019, 07:08 PM
11tenths   They should call it "Jackstand Insurance...   Apr 4 2019, 10:07 AM
Chris914n6   I just did a spreadsheet for mine. Started with th...   Apr 4 2019, 12:01 PM
Mark Henry   I just did a spreadsheet for mine. Started with t...   Apr 5 2019, 04:11 PM
thelogo   https://orangecounty.craigslist.org/cto/d/o...6858...   Apr 6 2019, 12:42 PM
larryM   just did a search on 914/6 values - since 2012 it ...   Apr 13 2019, 12:51 PM
Mark Henry   Appraised, insurance, build receipts and selling p...   Apr 14 2019, 07:27 AM
sharper   Sounds like I have mine under insured compared to ...   Apr 16 2019, 09:58 AM
mzapisek   I just bumped mine up from 35K to 60K with Hagerty...   Apr 16 2019, 10:06 AM
dwelle   i have a thread going over on pelican regarding va...   Aug 8 2019, 01:47 PM
thelogo   Agreed value is the way . Insurance co dont give...   Aug 8 2019, 05:50 PM
horizontally-opposed   ^ Agree with those who say agreed value is the way...   Aug 8 2019, 06:21 PM
Coondog   Your policy cost is based on the value that you st...   Aug 8 2019, 06:25 PM
rgalla9146   Hagerty agreed to 50K on my conversion without an...   Aug 9 2019, 05:30 AM
mepstein   You need to insure it for what a good shop would c...   Aug 9 2019, 08:28 AM
Mark Henry   You need to insure it for what a good shop would ...   Aug 9 2019, 03:59 PM
mepstein   You need to insure it for what a good shop would...   Aug 9 2019, 05:57 PM
Mark Henry   [quote name='Mark Henry' post='2736835' date='Aug...   Aug 10 2019, 06:59 AM
Cairo94507   I agree agreed upon value is the only way to go. ...   Aug 9 2019, 08:55 AM


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