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Sail panel adhesive, ? |
tomh |
Nov 28 2019, 10:45 AM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 322 Joined: 28-February 10 From: san jose Member No.: 11,412 Region Association: None |
Does 914 rubber sell the recommended adhesive for gluing the vinyl to the sail panels.
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mepstein |
Nov 28 2019, 10:58 AM
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914-6 GT in waiting Group: Members Posts: 19,279 Joined: 19-September 09 From: Landenberg, PA/Wilmington, DE Member No.: 10,825 Region Association: MidAtlantic Region |
Most home stores, Amazon, etc carry the 3M spray.
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914_7T3 |
Nov 28 2019, 01:18 PM
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Please forgive me, I'm new to all of this! Group: Members Posts: 1,853 Joined: 3-April 17 From: Los Angeles, CA Member No.: 20,991 Region Association: Southern California |
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914Sixer |
Nov 28 2019, 02:29 PM
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914 Guru Group: Members Posts: 8,886 Joined: 17-January 05 From: San Angelo Texas Member No.: 3,457 Region Association: Southwest Region |
DO NOT use Gorilla Glue in a spray can. I used it on the dash board in summer, already pealing off in the cold.
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Matty900 |
Nov 28 2019, 02:55 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 1,269 Joined: 21-February 15 From: Oregon Member No.: 18,454 Region Association: Pacific Northwest |
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Big Len |
Nov 28 2019, 03:00 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 1,747 Joined: 16-July 13 From: Edgewood, New Mexico Member No.: 16,126 Region Association: Southwest Region |
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IronHillRestorations |
Nov 28 2019, 03:45 PM
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I. I. R. C. Group: Members Posts: 6,719 Joined: 18-March 03 From: West TN Member No.: 439 Region Association: None |
I"ve always used 3M Super Trim adhesive. Just don't try and glue the whole thing at once.
Carefully position it and use some masking tape to hold it, as well as masking off the entire area so you don't get adhesive where you don't want it. Then fold the top half down and spray both surfaces and let it dry the time listed on the can. Gradually smooth it up from the glue line working back and forth smoothing as you work your way up. Then fold up the bottom half and repeat the process. If you try and stick it all at once, you'll probably get a wrinkle or air bubble |
chrisg |
Nov 28 2019, 04:56 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 63 Joined: 20-December 03 From: Paso Robles, CA Member No.: 1,455 Region Association: None |
While I’m not experienced at sail panel adhesion, my $.02 on the 3m is it will eventually fail with a situation that sees a lot of sun/heat. I use a lot of 3m adhesives (90, 94, Fast Bond 30) in my profession and they seem to always fail after several years in outdoor applications. IMO they do not withstand the temp extremes that a sail panel may be exposed to. Again, just my opinion and experience with various applications using contact adhesives outdoors. |
jmitro |
Nov 28 2019, 06:44 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 713 Joined: 23-July 15 From: Oklahoma Member No.: 18,986 Region Association: None |
While I’m not experienced at sail panel adhesion, my $.02 on the 3m is it will eventually fail with a situation that sees a lot of sun/heat. I use a lot of 3m adhesives (90, 94, Fast Bond 30) in my profession and they seem to always fail after several years in outdoor applications. IMO they do not withstand the temp extremes that a sail panel may be exposed to. Again, just my opinion and experience with various applications using contact adhesives outdoors. so what do you recommend? |
mepstein |
Nov 28 2019, 07:00 PM
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914-6 GT in waiting Group: Members Posts: 19,279 Joined: 19-September 09 From: Landenberg, PA/Wilmington, DE Member No.: 10,825 Region Association: MidAtlantic Region |
While I’m not experienced at sail panel adhesion, my $.02 on the 3m is it will eventually fail with a situation that sees a lot of sun/heat. I use a lot of 3m adhesives (90, 94, Fast Bond 30) in my profession and they seem to always fail after several years in outdoor applications. IMO they do not withstand the temp extremes that a sail panel may be exposed to. Again, just my opinion and experience with various applications using contact adhesives outdoors. Us east coasters never get that much time to have our cars out in the sun. |
bandjoey |
Nov 28 2019, 07:55 PM
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bandjoey Group: Members Posts: 4,926 Joined: 26-September 07 From: Bedford Tx Member No.: 8,156 Region Association: Southwest Region |
Will you glue over the paint or sand it down first? What's the preferred install?
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Garland |
Nov 28 2019, 08:05 PM
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Restoration Fanatic Group: Members Posts: 1,329 Joined: 8-January 04 From: ......Michigan...... Member No.: 1,535 Region Association: Upper MidWest |
Factory I believe, glued over primer surface, that was splashed around the edges with body color overspray. I’ve used this over the years, with great success, or any good quality rubber cement.
Register the sale panel material to the panel, apply glue to both surfaces, completely, and let dry, then adhere. |
chrisg |
Nov 28 2019, 10:03 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 63 Joined: 20-December 03 From: Paso Robles, CA Member No.: 1,455 Region Association: None |
I would say, as above with the Wurth, any old school, solvent based, rubber, contact adhesive would be your best bet. Proper adhesion to both surfaces is the critical aspect. The sprays bond to themselves well, but let go from one of the substrates under extreme conditions suck as heat or continual temperature cycling. 3M fast bond 30 has given me the best results as it a rubber based contact, but still questionable under extreme conditions. Older solvent/rubber based contact adhesives bonded to various substrates much better, IMO. I’m not really sure what’s available outside of California though. We only get stuff that pregnant sea turtles can eat without being harmed.
I would also go with at least a Scotch Brite scuff sand to help the bond. Again, JMO |
altitude411 |
Nov 28 2019, 10:32 PM
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I drove my 6 into a tree Group: Members Posts: 1,306 Joined: 21-September 14 From: montana Member No.: 17,932 Region Association: Rocky Mountains |
This is a great vinyl adhesive and not affected by heat cycles.
https://www.amazon.com/HH-66-PVC-Vinyl-Ceme...230&sr=8-13 also has a thinner available to shoot thru a spray gun if you choose. Stay away from the spray cans |
IronHillRestorations |
Nov 29 2019, 11:26 AM
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I. I. R. C. Group: Members Posts: 6,719 Joined: 18-March 03 From: West TN Member No.: 439 Region Association: None |
I understand the eco dilema with spray cans, but I can tell you that the home mechanic with limited experience will have better results with a spray, than brush on. It's easier to get it nice and smooth with a spray application, and easier to get lumps with a brush on. You can guess how I know this (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
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ConeDodger |
Nov 29 2019, 11:32 AM
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Apex killer! Group: Members Posts: 23,594 Joined: 31-December 04 From: Tahoe Area Member No.: 3,380 Region Association: Northern California |
My upholstery guy who is the local Porsche club guru says most people who have failures, are using too much.
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914_7T3 |
Nov 29 2019, 03:39 PM
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Please forgive me, I'm new to all of this! Group: Members Posts: 1,853 Joined: 3-April 17 From: Los Angeles, CA Member No.: 20,991 Region Association: Southern California |
Just did this a few weeks ago with @SocalAndy and his method is to scuff the paint with a Scotch pad for adhesion.
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Jett |
Nov 29 2019, 07:15 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 1,639 Joined: 27-July 14 From: Seattle Member No.: 17,686 Region Association: Pacific Northwest |
Just did this a few weeks ago with @SocalAndy and his method is to scuff the paint with a Scotch pad for adhesion. looks great! |
iankarr |
Nov 29 2019, 11:25 PM
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The wrencher formerly known as Cuddy_K Group: Members Posts: 2,474 Joined: 22-May 15 From: Heber City, UT Member No.: 18,749 Region Association: Intermountain Region |
Weldwood landau top adhesive. Withstands high heat. Unfortunately you can only buy a gallon...but it's worth it. Great for seats, dash tops and sail panels. Use a cheap HF spray gun and wear a respirator. Amazon link below
https://www.amazon.com/Dap-Weldwood-Contact...38931&psc=1 |
tomh |
Nov 30 2019, 04:55 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 322 Joined: 28-February 10 From: san jose Member No.: 11,412 Region Association: None |
Great discussion on this, thanks.I’m getting ready to redo my sail panels as a winter project.
My take away is not to use spray adhesive and scuff sand prior to gluing. I’m pretty sure I’ll use “ Worth” |
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