914 on EBAY with 1967 911S 2.0L engine question Options

[ElCee]

Hey,
I wonder if my engine is identical as the one you’ve been talking about?
I bought my 914 in May 1970 with a 4-cylinder engine, later I bought a 1969 6-cylinder MFI (engine no. 6390039) in Germany in 1971 and then put that engine in my 914.
After driving the 914 for about 15 years, the car was stored in around 1985
A few years ago I took it out again, completely disassembled it and had it sandblasted.
Lately I have been busy welding in new sheet metal, putting in some new parts and I have been hoping to start driving the 914 again within a few years.
But reading this thread, I’ve started wondering: If my engine is really worth that much, wouldn't I be better off selling this engine and installing a 4-cylinder or a even a cheaper 6-cylinder?

ElCee

[Tdskip]

I made contact with a salesman who is suppose to get me more pics and numbers off the engine and more info about the 5 lug conversion etc. and any history on the overall package etc. and if possible the owners name and number to dig deeper into this cars past or direction someone was going with it. I’ve dealt with BHCC once before on a 914 they had which after about 10 minutes talking to the salesman I said thanks but no thanks! They’re not exactly up front with you on everything, imagine that.

While I firmly believe BHCC gets a bad rap you HAVE to go see their cars in person and know what you are buying. I’d never buy from them remotely and you have to accept full responsibility for any due diligence required.

It is highly unlikely they will have any real history or contact info for you.

I’d suggest thay is not the not the sort of car to buy from them.

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@ElCee - drive it an enjoy it.

[9144me2enjoy]

The only partial numbers I’ve received they said they got off the bottom of the engine was HA 21 02.....not clear about last two numbers given. They also advised they have no contact info of previous owner or history.

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The only partial numbers I’ve received they said they got off the bottom of the engine was HA 21 02.....not clear about last two numbers given. They also advised they have no contact info of previous owner or history.

Unless you personally, or someone who really knows these cars and 911 goes in person, you’re kind of just setting yourself up to be disappointed or wasting time. As a interesting topic to discuss no worries but please heed the comments above if you’re serious about the car.

[rgalla9146]

The wheels appear to be flat 6s '72>
The front struts look like Hydropneumatics which are unusual '72 era
They are 911S/early930 front calipers '69s - '77 930
Oil tank '72 only
MFI '69-'73
I do see an 'eyebrow' on one intake valve cover spark plug hole .....early sandcast or
SC pressure cast ?
With all of that plumbing on top it would be very hard to see the engine
identification or serial number. That MUST be determined.
It's almost possible to make out three ribs on the front of a sand cast alloy
engine case from below. Maybe not.
Early aluminum case and MFI don't usually happen together.
Homebrew engine conglameration ? Possible scrounged parts from a '72 E ?
What a mystery.
That motor mount !!!! That plumbing !!!!
For the right price it could very interesting. Sand cast engine or '72 E ? Both are
plusses.
A lot of junk to remove too.

[PlaysWithCars]

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I was thinking 72 donor car except the the MFI stacks are mag not plastic. So, the whole thing at least is not 72.

The numbers off of the top of the MFI pump and stack castings may be more accessible and could provide some clues. Although only directional information as they too can be modified. But it would help set a value as a parts car. If they have S numbers on them it increases value and starts to corroborate the claim that it's an S motor.

[9144me2enjoy]

Thanks for all the insight, time will unravel the mystery behind this 914 rather it turns out to be a lost treasure or a overpriced gem!

[gereed75]

Wow. As unlikely as it first seems, this appears to be a twin turbo plumbed into MFI throttle bodies. I think that those two heat sinks stuck on the top of the air filter block off plates are some sort of effort at inter cooling. This is consistent with what appears to be a similar heat sink stuck on the oil drain plate under the engine.

Is that radiator cap plumbed into the intake “manifold” intended to be some sort of blow off valve!?!?

Again I say wow! The twists and turns created by the inexplicable human mind are indeed incredible. As wacky as all this is, it took serious effort. It was not just imagined, it was built, with serious intent, however misguided!

For someone so inclined, it appears to be worth the ask in parts - and the adventure in unraveling the mysteries.

I wonder if it ever ran?.

[rgalla9146]

Maybe the friggin twin turbos overwhelmed the mere mortal engine below ? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sad.gif)

[gereed75]

So what is the thought process that is capable enough to understand/fab/figure out the whole twin turbo/induction/injection/oiling scheme but over the months of finding the engine, mounting it, fitting the turbos etc etc etc that never says “this is a piece of crap, WTF am I doing!?”

Amazing!

My guess is it did run. It is unlikely that you would fabricate/attach a trailer hitch to a car that didn’t run. Hell for all we know it may have run well - wouldn’t that be a kick in the ass!

Sorta of like the Back to the Future Delorean. Maybe that is a flux capacitor hanging off the back of the trans.

Really like the rear shock tower strut brace. Looks likely to be some 1” conduit. What do you have to be smoking to come up with that? And then actually weld it in!

[9144me2enjoy]

American/German Engineering - the many roads it travels.

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Bottom of the car makes me think it was stolen. I'd want to turn the engine through at least a few times. I think the guy was a plumber.

[rgalla9146]

Bottom of the car makes me think it was stolen. I'd want to turn the engine through at least a few times. I think the guy was a plumber.

a plumber with no pride

[9144me2enjoy]

Well today I got back with the salesman at BHCC (Jesse) who advised they searched for the Engine Stamping number on the engine at the lower section of the fan area and it appeared the numbers had been removed or broken off! He advised the engine did not run and wasn’t sure it would turn over anymore.

Based on this new information I’m bowing out on this adventure, I don’t have enough positive information to pursue further interest!

Thanks again for all the input/suggestions.

[fixer34]

I'm not in the market, but we almost gotta get someone to put eyeballs on this 'thing'. If for nothing else but to help with some of the speculation.

[9144me2enjoy]

I’m surprised someone on the forum doesn’t recognize this car. The guy at BHCC wouldn’t disclose where they purchased the car from. Rather it was previously owned by a California native or not.

Probably have to track the previous owner down through DMV (vin number) which it appears would be the best bet on knowing the history of the drivetrain!

Good luck with dealing with BHCC.

It may sell on Ebay.

[rgalla9146]

I see the interior has been pulled away from the bulkhead.
I wonder if they poked a hole there to get a view of the engine serial #
and engine type #
Hmmmm.

[Rav914]

I'd be afraid it was a Motormeister "rebuild". It may be a '67 or a '69 S case, but what's inside?

[9144me2enjoy]

FYI: The salesman advised me again today that his techs could not come up with a engine number but with the model number they determined the engine size (901/05).

Also I asked if he could at least tell me if it has a California title, he replied today that it did and it appears the title was issued to the owner in 1/08/80. So the previous owner obviously had the 74 Porsche 914 body/chassis in his possession for some time. Unknown when the conversion was done.