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[B3owulf]

Hello all, first post here. Been a member for a while but could not post for some reason. Its working now so here goes!

I have a 1973 I bought as a rolling chassis and pile of parts. It has a 1.7 engine and has been 5-lug converted. Been working on and off for about 6 months and having a lot of fun. So far have done a bit of rust repair, sent it off for paint, and started re-assembling. Pictures are below, also looking for a bit of advice.

About to put it on hold for about nine months (Im in the US Army and will be deploying) and plan on ordering engine parts so I can hopefully get it running on post deployment leave. which means I need to decide which course of action to take:

COA 1 - Approximately $1,000-$1200. Get the current 1.7 running and install as is - need to get the webers rebuilt or replaced, need ignition system, some fuel system components and a flywheel. Issue being 70hp will be way to slow.

COA 2 - Approximately $4000-$5,000. Build a larger four cylinder (2.2L-2.4L) shooting for 130-140 hp and have fun. Seems like a good possibility and is in the lead so far but I am concerned about the quality of the parts out there. Almost everything I find seems to be made in china.

COA 3 - Approximately $10000 (?) try doing a 6 cylinder swap. This is what I WANT to do but not sure how realistic $10k is to get it done. Advantage being a good running sorted out 6 cylinder will be worth a lot more and with 9 months of tax free income it is a great time to do it (maybe now or never type of thing)

Anyway looking for some advice from the experts and any input you might have. Thanks!

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[mmichalik]

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[Montreal914]

(IMG:style_emoticons/default/welcome.png) Very nice looking roller!

I am worries you are a little off in your COA-2 and -3... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sad.gif)

That larger 4 cylinder will cost more to build and converting to a six cylinder is a whole other budget. Obviously it all depends what parts you have to start with but if you are starting from scratch, figure at least double for the 4 and 2-3 times for the 6 cylinder, and I am probably on the cost efficient side.

Good luck with your project, I am sure you will get a lot of input! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

[Freezin 914]

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[iankarr]

Great looking car! Is it Ravenna Green? Awesome that you're working on it with your son.

I'd put COA 1.5 in the mix...build a 2056 with a hot cam for 5-7K, depending on what you're doing for heads. Lots of proven combinations out there.

Whichever way you decide to go, this community will be here to help. Thanks so much for your service.

[TRS63]

Welcome here and a nice shell is a great start!

I love the sound of a -6 but love the lightness of a -4 so would (and will for mine) go big 4. Can't talk costs, I am in Germany with different prices..

Bests

Antoine

[SirAndy]

Get the 1.7L cleaned up and running and drive it for a while before you throw silly money at it.

You'll be surprised how much fun these cars can be with just 70HP ...
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[porschetub]

Great looking car! Is it Ravenna Green? Awesome that you're working on it with your son.

I'd put COA 1.5 in the mix...build a 2056 with a hot cam for 5-7K, depending on what you're doing for heads. Lots of proven combinations out there.

Whichever way you decide to go, this community will be here to help. Thanks so much for your service.

Yes you could but why not post in WTB for a good running 2.0 for 2.5 - 3.5K, to get you closer to driving.
Buy a longblock and get yours carbs rebuilt and sorted ,many people are running carbs with FI delete,sad buts thats it,pretty sure you could get 100hp with a correctly carbed 2.0 but economy is not that compared to FI.
Your other options are not on base with these days pricing,options #2 and 3 is really rather expensive but a very fun drive, but be ready to spend up large on a conversion which ever of those are chosen ,ask me how I know (IMG:style_emoticons/default/idea.gif) .

[Dave_Darling]

Stock spec for the 1.7 is 80 HP on the DIN scale, so you're up 10 HP already! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

I think your cost estimates are on the low side for COA 2 and 3. COA 1 could possibly be done for that price, if there's very little wrong and you do the work yourself.

But $5K for a 2.2L that's decently built will probably be a stretch. You can easily spend most of that budget just on cylinder heads that can support that displacement!!

$10K for a Six swap can be doable if you already have the 911 motor and induction setup. If not, the costs go up. If the engine needs a rebuild (reasonably likely on the smaller-displacement 911 engines in particular) you can spend a whole lot more.

To me, the "easy" button would be to see if @McMark still does the 2055cc motors for $5K.

But you might be surprised how much fun a 914 can be with "only" 80 HP...

--DD

[jaredmcginness]

Welcome! I love that Ravenna Green! Get it running and put a few miles on it.

My 2c.

[B3owulf]

Thanks for the replies! It is Revena Green; let my wife pick the color and she picked great!

I'm surprised the six swap is so expensive (guess I shouldn't be, Porsche is always expensive). Have not done a lot of research yet but surprised it was that much more expensive!

Good thing I have time to think about it, I will have to start prowling the marketplace for used speed parts!

[BeatNavy]

I agree with Andy. Put some miles on the 1.7L before you start spending money. I started with 1.7L, went to two different 2056's, and now have a 2.3. It does get more expensive as you go, and I have probably put any plans for a six on hold for now.

From reading other people's experiences here, the most cost effective 2056 these days may be what FAT offers turn-key. You can also build one, but figure $2.5 to over $5K in parts alone, depending on what parts you recycle or select.

Anyway, great looking car, and your son is very cute although he doesn't look very productive at the moment -- put a wrench in his hand (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

Good luck and stay safe, soldier.

[mb911]

@B3owulf I agree with getting the 1.7 running just so you can sort the whole car out. I am happy to work with you on all the -6 swap parts along the way. I offer package pricing along with military pricing so don't be afraid to reach out to me. I also from time to time have used stuff or 2nds on some of the products to help out with costs. www.914-6werkshop.com. Also check out my build thread on here and you will see the labor required. I do believe a small displacement -6 can be built for the 10-12 range but it will not be a fresh -6 engine. mepstein has a complete 2.2 in the classifieds right now that is very tempting just because the sum of the parts.

[Shivers]

Just my opinion. If the bottom end feels good enough, you can get a set of 96mm P/C's to bolt right up to the 1.7 to bump it up to a 1.9. A little love and those 1.7 heads will be good for this build. 914 flywheel is not the same as a bus flywheel and rebuild the webers. It will be fun and you can throw the rest of those thousands into a six fund. And thanks for your service (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

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[Cairo94507]

@B3owulf - (IMG:style_emoticons/default/welcome.png) Thank you for your service. I agree with Ian regarding building a 2056 and installing the stock fuel injection with a nice SS exhaust. I think you will love that engine.

Then, after you have the car fully sorted and driving, if you still want a 6, you can buy/build the 6 and swap it into the car and sell your 2056 for decent money.

Cheers and be safe,
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[Superhawk996]

Great looking car! Is it Ravenna Green? Awesome that you're working on it with your son.

I'd put COA 1.5 in the mix...build a 2056 with a hot cam for 5-7K, depending on what you're doing for heads. Lots of proven combinations out there.

Whichever way you decide to go, this community will be here to help. Thanks so much for your service.

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You are way, way off on the COA 3 - /6 option. By at least double if not triple unless you already have a running six sitting in your garage. I currently have a 2.4L six that is a work in progress and I easily have $9K in machining the case, rebuilding the heads, resizing the rods, crankshaft machining. OEM main bearings are about $850 alone! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/yikes.gif)

I'll also add that COA 1 -- 76 HP isn't too slow. 914's will never be fast cars in a straight line by modern standards. Any recent Tesla is going to put even a LS motor swapped 914 to shame from 0-60 mph.

What 914's do exceptionally well is carry speed though corners. They are built for handling, not straight line acceleration. COA 1 is great for learning how to drive, carry speed though the corners, and to use momentum to your advantage.

COA - 2 to build an engine with the HP you're wanting, with any semblance of durability, you'll need a set of LN Engineering Nickies. Those will cost $4K just for the pistons and cylinders. You'll also need a decent set of Heads. When I bought a set from Len at HAM a few years ago that was $1700 or so. . . . . the costs just keep adding up. Again, off by at least double by the time you include cam, machine work, external oil cooler, etc.

Yeah -- Ian has it right. Build a 2056 - well documented, well proven, easy 100HP motor with good reliability. Shivers is also giving you another good option. My 1st engine rebuild was from a 1.7L as a 1911 with 96's, decent cam, Weber's . . . plenty of fun, and I accumulated plenty of speeding tickets.

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[PanelBilly]

You need to go for a drive in a 1.7 and see just how much fun it can be. I know some one in Scottsdale that will rent you a car for the weekend so you can see what you could have. /6 is great but for the $$$ you might be better off saving some for the Legos you’ll be buying soon.

[Jett]

I have a stock 73 1.7 and have a smile every time we drive it. Pedal to the floor on every shift and rarely exceed 60 mph (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif). If we drove the same way in our 996TT we would have speeding tickets, which are no fun. That said, I would find the FI and put it back.

[Root_Werks]

Get the 1.7L cleaned up and running and drive it for a while before you throw silly money at it.

You'll be surprised how much fun these cars can be with just 70HP ...
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If all the pieces are there, get the 914 back on the road. You can always upgrade an engine later.

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[VaccaRabite]

I've always like phone dials on a 914.

Zach