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> 1973 914 2.0 with only 5894 miles "shown"
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post Aug 5 2022, 02:48 PM
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Dubious if the car has 5894 original miles...

https://www.diamondmotorworks.com/1973-pors...arga-c-4254.htm

Short video of the outside: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3cAVkUUa1Xs

Has the VIN listed as "473291972" but assuming they mean 4732901972 which isn't in the VIN database.

Has the front euro turn signal lenses and the kit to relocate the parking light to the bottom, so some previous owner was detail oriented lol..
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post Aug 5 2022, 10:10 PM
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Actually looks like 4732919172…except for the tag on the top of the passenger fender. That VIN is tough to read but what I can make out likes like a 212 together, which doesn’t make sense. The seams around that area look bodgy as well.

The tag on the front headlight bucket looks correct. Of course it’s missing the money shots. Looks like a nice car but as with everything it’s best to put eyes on it before purchasing.

Seller said it’s restored so I suppose that means not an original 5xxx miles.
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post Aug 6 2022, 12:09 AM
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It looks like a clean car (from the limited pictures anyways), but...

Who puts an aftermarket reflector, a rusty bursch exhaust, removes the rear trunk springs and swaps out the heat exchangers on a 6k mile car?

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looks like the ignition tumbler has been swapped out.
Seems to be some questionable wiring hanging down by the trans and along the lower firewall.

and is that overspray i see on the drives door VIN sticker?

Quite a few other things seem off as well. i dont buy that its only been driven 6k miles.

106k maybe... maybe

"arguably the best in the world"??? Im not seeing a very strong argument
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post Aug 6 2022, 12:14 AM
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is that a socket?

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post Aug 6 2022, 01:26 AM
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QUOTE(JamesM @ Aug 6 2022, 12:09 AM) *



Who puts an aftermarket reflector, ............ on a 6k mile car?




just about everyone in the 70s. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)
i'd say its been on there since new or near new.

(fortunately it was not done to mine. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) )

the car was sold on BAT a couple of years back.

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1973-porsche-914-54/

current pricing not substantially different to what present owner bought it for.
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post Aug 6 2022, 01:53 AM
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i don't think anyone is trying to pull the wool over anyone's eyes on the 6 K miles.
more that its done 6K since a substantial restoration. it hasn't done a lot since 99/early 2000s when you read comments in BAT ad.

the BAT ad is interesting as it implies the rear reflector was fitted as part of a "special dealer package" when the car was new!!!! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) pretty funny that the dealers were tarting them up like that. if you look close the rear trunk lock is drilled through the reflector which is very unusual. most later aftermarket installs used a remote release.
also came with the bursch exhaust. all is not what it seems. ie its actually original from the showroom - maybe not factory, but showroom - (but restored).

looks to be an ok car.

its a 1.7 not a 2.0
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post Aug 6 2022, 04:12 AM
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QUOTE(JamesM @ Aug 6 2022, 02:14 AM) *

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is that a socket?

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May be the connector for the original fuel pump.

What is the twisted pair of wires by the hand brake cable?
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post Aug 6 2022, 07:04 AM
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I am more concerned about the apparent VIN mis-match between the VIN tag in the trunk and the stamped passenger fender VIN in addition to the overall condition of that inner fender top surrounding the stamped VIN. Otherwise, looks like a decent car with over 100K miles.
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post Aug 6 2022, 07:27 AM
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It looks like a nice car, however this car would never pass a certified VIN Inspection. The VIN mismatches would be a real problem. The body stamped VIN is tampered with and the VIN plate in the frunk looks like it has been tampered with as well. Would be nice to see the VIN Tag on the A Pillar
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post Aug 6 2022, 08:02 AM
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I honestly never thought I'd live to see the day when 914's were subject to the Bull (IMG:style_emoticons/default/stromberg.gif) and puffery that plague the world of 911's, Ferrari's, Lambo's, etc.

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post Aug 6 2022, 08:08 AM
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Bueller . . . Bueller . . . . Anyone?

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Yeah . . . totally unmolested.

I guess it's really saying something when the scamming has ramped up to this level.

The driver side corner of my car was clipped long ago before I bought it with crappy lap welding to boot (still needs to be fixed as of 2022). It was hidden far better than this.

Driver side appears to have a slight buckling / kink from the hit too.

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Don't get me started on the "unmolested" addition of gas struts to the rear deck lid with an angle iron bracket. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/headbang.gif)

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I feel slimey just having read the listing. Gotta go take a shower . . .
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post Aug 6 2022, 08:10 AM
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Was at a shop yesterday and saw a 74 2.0 in orange with 71k original miles. Car was basically perfect everywhere we looked, all original paint, all stickers and markings intact and interior in great shape.

The car is going up for sale as the owners broker was getting a PPI.

I suspect that this car will easily sell north of $50k, but not on BAT.
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post Aug 6 2022, 08:42 AM
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Yep - actually shows that the dealer added the reflector for $95 on the original window sticker (see the BAT listing).

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QUOTE(JamesM @ Aug 6 2022, 12:09 AM) *



Who puts an aftermarket reflector, ............ on a 6k mile car?




just about everyone in the 70s. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)
i'd say its been on there since new or near new.

(fortunately it was not done to mine. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) )

the car was sold on BAT a couple of years back.

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1973-porsche-914-54/

current pricing not substantially different to what present owner bought it for.

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post Aug 6 2022, 09:41 AM
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this 914 is LOADED with miles
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Isn't that a 120mph 72 or older speedo?
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post Aug 6 2022, 10:53 AM
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QUOTE(wonkipop @ Aug 5 2022, 11:53 PM) *

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i don't think anyone is trying to pull the wool over anyone's eyes on the 6 K miles.
more that its done 6K since a substantial restoration. it hasn't done a lot since 99/early 2000s when you read comments in BAT ad.

the BAT ad is interesting as it implies the rear reflector was fitted as part of a "special dealer package" when the car was new!!!! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) pretty funny that the dealers were tarting them up like that. if you look close the rear trunk lock is drilled through the reflector which is very unusual. most later aftermarket installs used a remote release.
also came with the bursch exhaust. all is not what it seems. ie its actually original from the showroom - maybe not factory, but showroom - (but restored).

looks to be an ok car.

its a 1.7 not a 2.0


Wow, I hadnt seen the BAT ad previously but now that I have I am moving my opinion on this car from "misleading" to "outright fraud"

Way to much fishy crap with that "Dick Barbour window sticker" not the least of which being im pretty sure Dick didnt have access to a time machine to source a laser printer to produce window stickers with.

Would love to have that paper in my had to take a close look, but as someone that spent part of my life working in both printer development and forgery investigations, this sure looks like a load of (IMG:style_emoticons/default/stromberg.gif) to me from here.

The taking a candle to the corners of the paper to make it look old is a good try though.

I can only assume the current owner realized its level of fakeness which is why it isnt included in the latest ad.
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post Aug 6 2022, 11:14 AM
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Wow, I hadnt seen the BAT ad previously but now that I have I am moving my opinion on this car from "misleading" to "outright fraud"

Way to much fishy crap with that "Dick Barbour window sticker" not the least of which being im pretty sure Dick didnt have access to a time machine to source a laser printer to produce window stickers with.

Would love to have that paper in my had to take a close look, but as someone that spent part of my life working in both printer development and forgery investigations, this sure looks like a load of (IMG:style_emoticons/default/stromberg.gif) to me from here.

The taking a candle to the corners of the paper to make it look old is a good try though.

I can only assume the current owner realized its level of fakeness which is why it isnt included in the latest ad.



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Nice!

Now in going back and looking at the BAT "window sticker" I notice it has "So Cal Printing 2/73" on it.

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Yet, Vehicle was manufactured 4/73?

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I guess they knew months, and months ahead of time how there were going to equip it at the dealership? There was a 2 month lag to when the car was built, and then there would have likely been another 2 months or longer for the car to ship from port, inland transport, etc.? No concern for exchange rate fluctuations w.r.t. pricing, etc.?

Sure would be awesome if we have an offset printing expert . . . . are the fonts even viable for that era of offset printing?

The (IMG:style_emoticons/default/stromberg.gif) smell is getting worse.
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More time machine action going on here...

Or maybe Bursch had a psychic tell them that this exhaust that was "dealer installed" in 1973 would only be useable though the 1974 year cars. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

This car is dripping with bull (IMG:style_emoticons/default/stromberg.gif) (and also fraud)

That fake window sticker is a poor attempt to convince people that every mod made to this car over the last 50 years was somehow as it was delivered from the dealer.

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QUOTE(Superhawk996 @ Aug 6 2022, 09:14 AM) *

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Nice!

Now in going back and looking at the BAT "window sticker" I notice it has "So Cal Printing 2/73" on it.


Yet, Vehicle was manufactured 4/73?


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Nice catch, I noticed the "SoCal printing" and that that company has only been around 15 years (and also who the hell has a printing company print individual window stickers for their cars?) but i didnt even notice the 2/73 date on it.

This just keeps get funnier... and sadder.

They put more effort into a forgery then they did just finding original parts for the car to convince people it is legit.

Morons.
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Sure would be awesome if we have an offset printing expert . . . . are the fonts even viable for that era of offset printing?


Not sure about the fonts themselves (though i also questioned that) as I was not around in 1973 but I did spend a few years working for Epson in photo printer development and have spent more hours staring though a loupe at printouts than any sane person should.

I feel very confident in saying that "window sticker" came off a modern printer in a single pass vs any dealer window sticker older than maybe 20 years ago that would have had the line items entered on an impact printer of some sort (typewriter, dot matrix, etc) over a pre-printed form or card.

the paper itself also appears to be a more modern heavy weight sheet used with laser prints vs light weight perforated roll paper dealers usually use. I cant tell without having a closer look if it is ink jet or laser, but it looks like laser from here. The gradient background, the borders, the alignment, pretty much all if it screams modern computer generated printout to me.

Not to mention the fact that border perfectly encapsulates the exact number of line item options the car has...

nope, this was laid up on a computer and printed with a modern printer.


also, is it just me or do some of those prices seem a little questionable for 1973?
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