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> need an Electrical engineer to explain this, jump box
r_towle
post Feb 8 2023, 06:31 PM
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Hi,
I have a 997 (this feels like the start of a support group thing)

This car has an electric front hood latch.
So, the battery needs to be hooked up to open the front hood where the battery is...
Its not logical, but Porsche put in a shortcut.

So, go to the fuse box inside, pull out a red lead, and hook up a 12VDC battery to this lead, and chassis ground...
Hood opens.

Instead of using a full size heavy car battery, I went and bought a lithium battery "jump box" thing
Schumacher SL1639 Lithium Portable Power Pack and 1000A 12V Jump Starter

So, it will not work.
We ended up getting a full size battery, with jumpers, just to open the hood, so we could reconnect the battery.

My question is...WHY does it not work?
When I put my meter on it, I see 16VDC
ITs fully charged.
Its on.

The Tech support told me the unit can only be used for jump starting a car.
The mechanic at the shop told me he also had this issue, and the unit needs to see a load??

I will return this if it will never work...but I really need to know why it won't work.
I can get a motorcycle battery, or some other unit that will take care of my needs...but this thing should work...yet it does not.

Anyone care to explain electricity to me?

Rich
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post Feb 9 2023, 12:28 AM
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Rich- I had the same thing happen to a friend’s 911 (I only run with the crowd owns these fancy-pants cars, don’t have one myself.). Anyway, I used a regular jump pack - the big heavy one- and it worked fine.

I have also used the same jump pack to run the 12v winch on my car trailer. Works fine for that, too. Maybe the little lithium ones have some kind of security/safety BS thing to protect it…?
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post Feb 9 2023, 08:03 AM
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QUOTE(theer @ Feb 9 2023, 01:28 AM) *

Maybe the little lithium ones have some kind of security/safety BS thing to protect it…?


The thing everyone loses sight of is that Lithium-ion batteries are not “just” a battery.

Lithium ion batteries are volatile. As such, almost everything except a raw cell has a battery management system to protect them from being fully drained below 10-20% of capacity. Likewise they are protected from over charging. They are protected from short circuits. Lithium-ion batteries can self oxidize (I.e burn) due to thermal runaway if the cell gets too hot from being charged or discharged to fast. This is all done by a microprocessor (and other electronics) controlling the battery. Even single cells can have a very simple battery management system on them.

If the battery management system wants to limit current in or out it can do so. In your case, current is being limited until it sees a load that looks like a battery (connected proper polarity) and a low resistance load like a starter motor.

Not just a battery.
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Note: mechanical engineer but don’t hold it against me - I play with electrons too!
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r_towle   need an Electrical engineer to explain this   Feb 8 2023, 06:31 PM
mgphoto   2 words Ohms Law.   Feb 8 2023, 07:09 PM
worn   2 words Ohms Law. I raise you with ROYGBIV. I g...   Feb 8 2023, 07:22 PM
r_towle   Sorry….I read ohms law and I don’t get why thi...   Feb 8 2023, 07:36 PM
914GT   Do you see 16v with it attached to the load? I su...   Feb 8 2023, 07:38 PM
r_towle   Do you see 16v with it attached to the load? I s...   Feb 8 2023, 07:48 PM
76-914   Rich, buy a 12v cordless drill battery or 8 flashl...   Feb 8 2023, 07:43 PM
r_towle   Rich, buy a 12v cordless drill battery or 8 flash...   Feb 8 2023, 07:47 PM
mepstein   The jump packs are really great in the usual situa...   Feb 8 2023, 08:04 PM
StarBear   The jump packs are really great in the usual situ...   Feb 9 2023, 07:35 AM
r_towle   I have larger jump packs.. I wanted something lig...   Feb 8 2023, 08:37 PM
bkrantz   Not sure about 997s, but my 991 has a hidden pull ...   Feb 8 2023, 09:00 PM
r_towle   Yes we found and tested that pull. Can you imagine...   Feb 8 2023, 10:38 PM
bzettner   Yes we found and tested that pull. Can you imagin...   Feb 9 2023, 08:15 AM
87m491   Yes we found and tested that pull. Can you imagin...   Feb 9 2023, 02:09 PM
theer   Rich- I had the same thing happen to a friend’s ...   Feb 9 2023, 12:28 AM
Superhawk996   Maybe the little lithium ones have some kind of s...   Feb 9 2023, 08:03 AM
jd74914   Maybe the little lithium ones have some kind of ...   Feb 9 2023, 01:23 PM
Geezer914   12V alarm battery or 12V lawnmower battery.   Feb 9 2023, 07:00 AM
Front yard mechanic   My cheap hf battery charger has a chip in it it ha...   Feb 9 2023, 07:44 AM
GregAmy   My cheap hf battery charger has a chip in it it h...   Feb 9 2023, 07:48 AM
fixer34   I've been around electricity and electronics e...   Feb 9 2023, 07:26 PM
r_towle   Yah…I may go order a Milwaukee power access thin...   Feb 9 2023, 07:34 PM
targa72e   I will just echo what others have said. The device...   Feb 10 2023, 12:21 AM
GregAmy   Of course, why in the hell Porsche put the battery...   Feb 10 2023, 07:48 AM
mepstein   These will fit in the palm of your hand and start ...   Feb 10 2023, 07:59 AM
fixer34   These will fit in the palm of your hand and start...   Feb 10 2023, 05:03 PM
Superhawk996   These will fit in the palm of your hand and star...   Feb 10 2023, 05:22 PM
r_towle   Funny timing I left the trailer hooked up which ki...   Feb 10 2023, 05:51 PM
Superhawk996   Funny timing I left the trailer hooked up which k...   Feb 11 2023, 08:51 AM
r_towle   It’s cute, but I’m returning it because it doe...   Feb 11 2023, 03:17 PM


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