 Price of Jake's 2270cc, With all bells & whilses |
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| Rog914 |
 Nov 26 2005, 09:53 PM
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914 Fanatic  Group: Members Posts: 129 Joined: 5-January 03 From: Reisterstown,Md Member No.: 93  |
Flat labor rate $4,000
New parts $7,500 Crating charge $ 150 Core charge Total estimated cost $11,650 Inclusive Opions: Dyno tuning, (In lieu of warranty) $350 Cryogenic enhancement (partial) $262 Standard blueprinting service $550 Severe duty valve train $450 Extensive Dyno Testing $500 Composite lifters (if available) $600 Mallory Unilite Distributor $329 Optional items, (not included in "Total estimated cost") above: $400 Crygenic treatment upgrade (full engine treatment) $275 Ion Nitrided crankshaft $125 Lightened flywheel $2,800 Upgrade to programmable EFI $810 Performance engine coatings package (thermal barrier, friction reduction & heat dispersants) $2,000 LN Engineering Nickies cylinders (if available) $1,250 914 DTM upgrade $145 Full flow oiling system upgrades $92 6 puck performance cluch disc Total Option price: $7,897 Total price of engine & all options: $19,547 (not including exhaust & shipping) This would have been heck of a 2270cc engine with everything. I wish I could of afforded it. Yes, I'm the last to have backed out of a Raby engine. I'm not here to bash Jake, just tell "the other side of the story" Started in 1-5-05 with a phone call from Jake to talk what I wanted in an engine. Told him I wanted a 2270cc and what would cost to have one with all the bells & whilses. With Nickies, all performance coatings. He gives me a "rough" estimate of $11,000. 1-6-05 I sent my $200 deposit for an engine build. He calls every now & then, and chat for awhile. Calls 2 month ago, tells me looked over the engine and everything looked good except for the heads cracked but should be salvageable and will cost a little more to repair them. Nothing more was said about money until he calls to say my spot is getting ready and E-mailed the proposal. The whole time I'm thinking about $11,000. When I see my all "bells & whisles" engine to be $19,547. Sorry but that's way off even for a "rough" estimate. I just can't afford that at this time. Jake builds super engines and has done alot for the 914 community. I just wish he would be more truthful with his estimates. Even on this board he stated "Anywhere from 7K clear to 14.5K could be end the end result." When $19,547 is the end result as his propsal states above. As far as I'm concerned I should of had the propsal in January when I put my deposit down, not at the last minute when to find out the estimate nearly doubled. Now that's the rest of the story. Ralph |
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| jonwatts |
Nov 26 2005, 10:28 PM
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no rules, just wrong Group: Benefactors Posts: 2,321 Joined: 13-January 03 From: San Jose, CA Member No.: 141  |
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| nine14cats |
Nov 26 2005, 10:32 PM
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Bill Pickering -- 914-6 GT aka....Leeloo Group: Members Posts: 2,618 Joined: 10-February 03 From: Campbell, CA Member No.: 287 Region Association: None |
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| DanT |
Nov 26 2005, 10:38 PM
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Going back to the Dark Side! Group: Members Posts: 4,300 Joined: 4-October 04 From: Auburn, CA Member No.: 2,880 Region Association: None |
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And now.........it begins. |
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| echocanyons |
Nov 26 2005, 10:40 PM
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Advanced Member Group: Benefactors Posts: 2,094 Joined: 24-December 02 From: Bay Area, CA Member No.: 7 Region Association: Central California
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IMHO 19,000 for any streetable engine is just crazy
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| olav |
Nov 26 2005, 10:49 PM
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Senior Member Group: Retired Members Posts: 1,107 Joined: 28-December 02 From: Los Gatos, CA. USA Member No.: 34 Region Association: None |
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| MecGen |
Nov 26 2005, 11:17 PM
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8 Easy Steps Group: Members Posts: 848 Joined: 8-January 05 From: Laval, Canada Member No.: 3,421 |
Hi Ralph
Glad you posted, I am a realy slow typer. I do not know Mr.Raby personally, just crossed a few posts, he is without doubt, the Type4 expert here. I was wandering WTF up with his "deadbeat 914 owner" thred. (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/confused24.gif) It sounded very unprofessional. I have a shop for the last 10 years, and had have deals go south many times...no big deal...move on. (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/dead horse.gif) Then to bash 914 owners in the forum that probably has been a mojor source of free advertisement, Tasteless... (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/barf.gif) I am glad you are man anough to post and give your side of the story. Mr.Raby seems to be an outstanding personality in the 914 comunity, my opinions are based on business ethnics and personal experience in my 25 years in the business. Lets chew on some food for thought (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/bootyshake.gif) If you need to plunk 20K into a motor for a 914 to enjoy it, you've bought the wrong car. 20K for even a complete bells and whistles motor, is insane. Might as well sell it for 40K because the same type of customer, will pay either price $$$. The highest bill to leave my shop was 15K for a 1993 Dodge twin turbo motor and clutch. I was on the phone with him all the time, faxed, email photos, and he came for periodic visits, This was to protect my ass and insure payment ! I have problems with the "holyer then thou" type of business people I run into today, but I couldn't imagine a diference of 8K. This is definately a comunications problem. In this price range, for a motor, this can't happen. If you cancelled on the motor, isn't the production waiting list moving up faster?. Over 5 months you have to expect sour deals, what would happen if you did pay in advance ?. 10 months ? Come on. I donno Anywho... I hope I didn't ruffle any feathers, just an obervation/opinion from some guy on the other end of a phone line. Later POZ (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/beer.gif) |
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| lapuwali |
Nov 26 2005, 11:19 PM
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Not another one! Group: Benefactors Posts: 4,526 Joined: 1-March 04 From: San Mateo, CA Member No.: 1,743 |
Jag V12: head gasket blew, one valve seat dropped, did NOT hole a piston, but probably bent a valve. Estimate to repair: $15,000. That wasn't a complete rebuild, either. And don't even get started on the costs of typical Ferrari engine work... Whenever you ask for anything "with all the bells and whistles", you should expect a high price tag. I'll agree that there should have been a more accurate estimate done up front, and jumping from $11K to $19K seems excessive, but there are a LOT of "bells and whistles" listed above. I would have renegotiated what was to be done and spent the original $11K (you'd still have a killer engine). If you say "give me the best of everything", then bitch about the price, well... |
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| JoeSharp |
Nov 26 2005, 11:29 PM
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In Irvine, Ca. May 15-18 Group: Members Posts: 3,947 Joined: 9-July 03 From: DeLand, Florida Member No.: 898 Region Association: South East States |
I do belive that Jake Knows what it cost to build a motor.
Joe |
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| ppickerell |
Nov 26 2005, 11:37 PM
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914 addicted Group: Members Posts: 1,679 Joined: 14-October 03 From: Pleasanton, CA. Member No.: 1,246 |
Did you receive a bid in writing initially?
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| pete-stevers |
Nov 26 2005, 11:42 PM
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saved from fire! Group: Members Posts: 2,641 Joined: 10-October 04 From: Abbotsford,BC, Canada Member No.: 2,914 Region Association: Pacific Northwest
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WOW this is going to be interesting!
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| Brando |
Nov 26 2005, 11:49 PM
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BUY MY SPARE KIDNEY!!! Group: Members Posts: 3,935 Joined: 29-August 04 From: Santa Ana, CA Member No.: 2,648 Region Association: Southern California |
Wow... $19k for a motor alone. I only see 356 and 993 owners plop that kind of cash on a car.
I applaud you for bringing to light your side of the story. (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/popcorn[1].gif) |
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| Twystd1 |
Nov 26 2005, 11:49 PM
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You don't want to know... really..... Group: Members Posts: 2,514 Joined: 12-September 04 From: Newport Beach, California Member No.: 2,743 |
I just deleted my earlier post...
It just dawned on me... This is none "O" my fuching bussiness..... Clayton Thanks Jasons.... (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/beerchug.gif) |
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| J P Stein |
Nov 26 2005, 11:49 PM
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Irrelevant old fart Group: Members Posts: 8,797 Joined: 30-December 02 From: Vancouver, WA Member No.: 45 Region Association: None |
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| DanT |
Nov 26 2005, 11:49 PM
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Going back to the Dark Side! Group: Members Posts: 4,300 Joined: 4-October 04 From: Auburn, CA Member No.: 2,880 Region Association: None |
that may be your smiley limit Trekkor! (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/chairfall.gif)
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| jasons |
Nov 26 2005, 11:50 PM
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Jackstand Extraordinaire Group: Members Posts: 2,002 Joined: 19-August 04 From: Scottsdale, AZ Member No.: 2,573 Region Association: None |
Actually it will probably just be a downward spiral of 914club conjecture and general malaise. At some point a longstanding clubmember will leave and start a new thread to testify why they must go. Everyone will reply and say "so long, you're a good fella". As a result, a new forum will be created called "The Theater". It will be exclusively for acting out lame drama. |
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| Trekkor |
Nov 27 2005, 12:01 AM
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I do things... Group: Members Posts: 7,809 Joined: 2-December 03 From: Napa, Ca Member No.: 1,413 Region Association: Northern California |
Ctrl+Alt+Delete...hurry! (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/type.gif)
I'd love to have a 3.6 (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/ph34r.gif) |
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| Lou W |
Nov 27 2005, 12:23 AM
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"Here Kitty Kitty" my ass...... Group: Members Posts: 4,109 Joined: 9-May 04 From: Roseburg, OR. Member No.: 2,039 Region Association: Spain |
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wow, $19,000.00 just for an engine? I never really knew what the breakdown would add up too, I was kinda thinking the type of work he does would be around $11,000.00, then, with all the suspension mods, transaxle mods, chassis kits, etc. this sure can be an expensive hobby. Its looking more and more as a 6 for my car:ph34r: (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/popcorn[1].gif) |
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| KaptKaos |
Nov 27 2005, 12:49 AM
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Family Group: Members Posts: 4,009 Joined: 23-April 03 From: Near Wausau Member No.: 607 Region Association: Upper MidWest |
Cost is a relative term. What may seem like a lot to me, may not be a lot to someone else.
The percentage increase would be a better way to judge this situation. In this case, the increase is 72%. This may be a justified increase, or not. Regardless, it seems clear that we have a communication problem at a minimum. |
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