 Price of Jake's 2270cc, With all bells & whilses |
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| LvSteveH |
 Nov 27 2005, 12:59 AM
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I put the Poor in Porsche  Group: Members Posts: 1,080 Joined: 22-April 03 From: Las Vegas, Nevada Member No.: 600  |
Thanks for stepping up and posting, you obviously knew you'd get a less than friendly response from some. If you were quoted $11,650, and that did not include nickies, then frankly, I don't blame you a bit for backing out. For $19,000 you can get a new 3.8L six race motor with 320 super reliable horsepower, and a car worth every bit of $35k when you are done. I realize that the $19k quote includes the latest and greatest technology, and that costs money. But for an iron cylinder 2270, based on the current costs of materials and workmanship, I just can't make sense of it costing $11,650 in any way, shape, or form. No disrespect meant to Jake, I think he does amazing work, and I'd love to have one of his motors, but for $8000 I better get nickies, a full dyno tune, and lifetime subscription to Jake's toll free tech hotline.
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| jr91472 |
Nov 27 2005, 01:00 AM
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"I'm pacing myself sergeant..." Group: Members Posts: 1,205 Joined: 2-August 04 From: McKinney, TX Member No.: 2,437 |
aaawwww man......
there goes another expert that will never post here again. (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/sad.gif) as far as I know, Jake has never forced anyone here to buy a motor, and yet he plays here often and offers tons (errr .......I mean TONS) of free advice. (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/pray.gif) (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/pray.gif) oh well |
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| vortrex |
Nov 27 2005, 01:03 AM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 1,687 Joined: 24-December 02 From: SF, CA Member No.: 4 Region Association: None |
from another thread. (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif) (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif) (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif) (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif) (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif) |
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| Mrs. 'I" |
Nov 27 2005, 07:12 AM
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Newbie Group: Members Posts: 6 Joined: 22-November 05 From: Pa. Member No.: 5,165 |
I can tell you for $19,000.00 or a little less you can build a Polopolus 2.4 911 4 cylinder motor with 200+ HP.
IMHO if you were going to spend that kind of money you would have a very unique motor, it is 11lbs. lighter than a standard 911 motor and 5.5" shorter. Perfect for a 914. (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/aktion035.gif) |
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| Joe Ricard |
Nov 27 2005, 07:22 AM
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CUMONIWANNARACEU Group: Members Posts: 6,811 Joined: 5-January 03 From: Gautier, MS Member No.: 92 |
Posts like this make me so happy I made the decisions I did back in August.
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| lotus_65 |
Nov 27 2005, 07:38 AM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 1,608 Joined: 21-March 05 From: minneapolis, mn Member No.: 3,795 Region Association: Northstar Region |
what bugged me was that jake complained about this not once, but twice. everyone saw his contrition after he deleted the first thread, but came in again (i didn't bother reading it).
i just can't see jake airing dirty laundry here. bad 4 biz! but he's an artist, so his shop won't really suffer from it. and at least he'll actually do the work. i've been searching for someone local & reliable for 2+ years, and all i get is crap work, lip service and "summer storage" at their shop until i get fed up and take my car back. so who looses here? everyone, esp. if jake cops a walk. (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/poke.gif) i wish i had his skillz... i'd be a millionare+ because most of you would have some type of rat under your hood! |
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| TJB/914 |
Nov 27 2005, 07:50 AM
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Mid-Engn. Group: Members Posts: 4,326 Joined: 24-February 03 From: Plymouth & Petoskey, MI Member No.: 346 Region Association: Upper MidWest 
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You guys crack me up with popcorn (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/popcorn[1].gif)
Looks to me like the only thing wrong is poor communications at the time of deposit/agreement. As a businessman you need to send a detailed quote and review costs before placing the order (standard business practice). I feel bad for Ralph having budgeted the $11K and thinking that was it. Ralph should have asked for a detailed quote and Jake should have communicated a finished price. Both parites should have gone over each detail of the engine build. They both share 50% blame. These things happen in business dealings. Everyone learned a lesson. Life goes on. My reaction to Jakes engine breakdown is interesting. My first thought is the flat labor rate. He works cheap if you cost his labor rate at $100 per hr. (40) labor hours is very good. All the other numbers look good. I see nothing wrong with Jakes breakdown, custom motors are expensive no matter what brand. Now everyone knows how to figure their budget or decide what type of engine to use. This should help Jakes future business. You step up or go another direction. Tom |
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| scotty b |
Nov 27 2005, 10:46 AM
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rust free you say ? Group: Members Posts: 16,375 Joined: 7-January 05 From: richmond, Va. Member No.: 3,419 Region Association: None |
I'm in for a 5 pager anyone think more?? (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/popcorn[1].gif)
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| ChrisFoley |
Nov 27 2005, 11:10 AM
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I am Tangerine Racing Group: Members Posts: 7,924 Joined: 29-January 03 From: Bolton, CT Member No.: 209 Region Association: None
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I'm having trouble understanding the $7500 estimate for new parts - which doesn't include a set of Nickies and composite lifters.
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| Air_Cooled_Nut |
Nov 27 2005, 11:11 AM
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914 Ronin - 914 owner who lost his 914club.com Group: Members Posts: 1,748 Joined: 19-April 03 From: Beaverton, Oregon Member No.: 584 Region Association: None |
Thanks for the price break-down. I understand it all except for the "Full flow oiling system upgrades"...wazzat for a T4?
For me, $11K is an upper limit for a built T4 engine, I don't care what excuses you give me. Past that I'm looking for a real Porsche 6. $20K for a T4 engine? Get real. |
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| Air_Cooled_Nut |
Nov 27 2005, 11:12 AM
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914 Ronin - 914 owner who lost his 914club.com Group: Members Posts: 1,748 Joined: 19-April 03 From: Beaverton, Oregon Member No.: 584 Region Association: None |
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| TROJANMAN |
Nov 27 2005, 11:15 AM
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Looks nice in pictures......... Group: Members Posts: 5,267 Joined: 5-March 04 From: Colorado Member No.: 1,753 Region Association: None |
what did i miss??? (see avatar) (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif)
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| Mr.C |
Nov 27 2005, 11:25 AM
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Easy does it Group: Members Posts: 611 Joined: 31-December 02 From: Central Cal Member No.: 61 Region Association: None |
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| bd1308 |
Nov 27 2005, 11:31 AM
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Sir Post-a-lot Group: Members Posts: 8,020 Joined: 24-January 05 From: Louisville,KY Member No.: 3,501 |
so he's done with the 914?
and this is JUST a 2270? imagine what a bigger engine would be? b |
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| smooth_eddy |
Nov 27 2005, 11:41 AM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 535 Joined: 13-November 04 From: Seattle Member No.: 3,102 |
(IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/agree.gif) Yep, stay tuned. This is going to good. I am in it for the long haul. (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/popcorn[1].gif) Eddy |
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| nein14 |
Nov 27 2005, 11:53 AM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 838 Joined: 6-February 03 From: USA Member No.: 262 |
I wonder what one of those T4 Turbo motors are? $25-30K maybe (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/chairfall.gif)
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| bd1308 |
Nov 27 2005, 11:59 AM
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Sir Post-a-lot Group: Members Posts: 8,020 Joined: 24-January 05 From: Louisville,KY Member No.: 3,501 |
recon!
recon! we need some recon! b |
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| TJB/914 |
Nov 27 2005, 12:02 PM
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Mid-Engn. Group: Members Posts: 4,326 Joined: 24-February 03 From: Plymouth & Petoskey, MI Member No.: 346 Region Association: Upper MidWest
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Chris Foley picked a good one. Anyones guess what the $7,500 breakdown could be on this line item???
Machining ??? Parts?? I kind of agree it's a little high & could have Nickies included?? I wonder why Ralph didn't ask?? Tom |
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| Aaron Cox |
Nov 27 2005, 12:20 PM
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Professional Lawn Dart Group: Retired Admin Posts: 24,541 Joined: 1-February 03 From: OC Member No.: 219 Region Association: Southern California |
ok mr two face..... "raby raby - when is your super MPG motor going to be done? sign me up!!!" and now
whats up with that? MY OPINION on this? none of this is any of our business. not our job to be involved between jake, roger, and god, or either's bankers.... this isnt about a six vs four debate....its about a guy wanted a super 4, and backed out because of a large jump in price. looks like some miscommunication between the above peoples.... again. not our place to be involved. what will this acccomplish? driving an expert from out club. ill never beable to afford a raby motor...but i sure as hell appreciate all the tech advice he puts out here for free. jump on the bandwagon and tear someone a new one, when we ourselves have no direct involvement. not our place to meddle...and share our opinions of either party. why are we all so divisive? one club, for one automobile..... this thread sucks. im outta here for a while |
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| bd1308 |
Nov 27 2005, 12:24 PM
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Sir Post-a-lot Group: Members Posts: 8,020 Joined: 24-January 05 From: Louisville,KY Member No.: 3,501 |
he never stands on his word though....if he's still workin on the 914s great...if not, dont.... i dont think I would like doing business with raby after this..... oh and aaron....maybe i should have put more emphasis on the fact i was being sarcastic. its been more than three years in development? b |
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