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> The $5,000 Type IV?, What would it look like?
horizontally-opposed
post Nov 29 2005, 07:06 PM
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So I can't (and won't) argue with Jake's policies or pricing. Hell, I helped publicize his acheivements and remain very impressed by them. So let's NOT DEBATE THEM here -- please take that to another thread.

In the meantime, though, I think $5,000 (carbs and ignition included?) seems a far more approachable number for a lot of people. I wouldn't expect to get anything but short-lived junk for $1,300 to $2,600 -- unless I was building it myself.

So what are the possibilities at $5,000 to maybe $6,000? What kind of power, what kind of longevity? Could 120 or 130 hp be so hard to get with decent longevity?

I ask it more as theory and as a business opportunity/service someone could provide the community with -- someone who is well-known as a good engine builder. The 2.0-liter (based on a 1.7) in my 1973 914 has not left the chassis since at least 1986 -- it ain't got much power, but it was obviously built right.

Rather than specific answers, I am hoping to open up a direction of travel for Type IV owners on a real-world budget and (hopefully) a resource to fit that niche.

Or am I alone?

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horizontally-opposed   The $5,000 Type IV?   Nov 29 2005, 07:06 PM
Flat VW   http://www.914world.com/bbs2...   Nov 29 2005, 07:10 PM
scotty b   <...   Nov 29 2005, 07:14 PM
MattR   2316 type 4 Under 5 grand. I know you dont want ...   Nov 29 2005, 07:15 PM
Joe Sharp   I have a 2056 that I have over 5K in and its still...   Nov 29 2005, 07:25 PM
gregrobbins   Here is my two cents for a street motor with a lit...   Nov 29 2005, 07:33 PM
Jake Raby   Its pretty much impossible to do... Especially in ...   Nov 29 2005, 07:33 PM
billswim   5 grand including carbs and ign might be a little ...   Nov 29 2005, 07:35 PM
TROJANMAN   ...   Nov 29 2005, 07:41 PM
fiid   $5000 will buy you around 5 WRX motors which ...   Nov 29 2005, 07:42 PM
Jake Raby   Go ahead... Install radiators in ALL of them, I do...   Nov 29 2005, 07:43 PM
fiid   Yeah - it's a shame to cut the car up esp. whe...   Nov 29 2005, 07:45 PM
firstknight13   ok all you guys take your cars to MEXICO for paint...   Nov 29 2005, 07:45 PM
rick 918-S   There is clearly a market for Jakes motors. The be...   Nov 29 2005, 08:00 PM
bd1308   Rick you hit the nail on the head....I believe tha...   Nov 29 2005, 08:40 PM
jd74914   DTM is for stressed engines. A semi-stock or even ...   Nov 29 2005, 08:43 PM
bd1308   I dont think cooling with sticks is a very efficie...   Nov 29 2005, 08:47 PM
wilchek   this is a rough estimate but it does include carbs...   Nov 29 2005, 08:48 PM
jkeyzer   Has anyone on the forum had a stock motor rebuilt ...   Nov 29 2005, 08:53 PM
jd74914   Thats what I'm wondering, cause thats what I...   Nov 29 2005, 08:54 PM
Bleyseng   considering that a 911 has a dry sump oil system a...   Nov 29 2005, 08:55 PM
bd1308   <...   Nov 29 2005, 08:55 PM
MattR   I remember when I had one of those nice little exc...   Nov 29 2005, 08:55 PM
Aaron Cox     Nov 29 2005, 08:58 PM
Jake Raby   Remember that the labor guide calls for 22 hours t...   Nov 29 2005, 08:58 PM
jkeyzer     Nov 29 2005, 09:01 PM
wilchek   Jake where are those prices, I can't find them...   Nov 29 2005, 09:01 PM
bd1308   <...   Nov 29 2005, 09:04 PM
MW 914   http://www.914world.com/bbs2/h...   Nov 29 2005, 09:37 PM
Demick   I rebuilt my motor to a 2056cc in my garage a litt...   Nov 29 2005, 09:37 PM
Howard   I LOVE my stock 2.0 FI. But I picked up a 2.7 CIS...   Nov 29 2005, 09:43 PM
Travis Neff   5k I would think would be a stock rebuild, or a 20...   Nov 29 2005, 09:48 PM
lapuwali   Since the el cheapo engine builders will sell you ...   Nov 29 2005, 09:50 PM
ChicagoChris   Yes it can be done! With all due regard to Ja...   Nov 29 2005, 09:51 PM
TROJANMAN   <...   Nov 29 2005, 09:55 PM
horizontally-opposed   Can I just re-iterate? Let's NOT attack Jake ...   Nov 29 2005, 09:57 PM
Porsche Rescue   I have to agree with Howard and Pete. A rebuilt co...   Nov 29 2005, 09:59 PM
horizontally-opposed   ChicagoChris is running exactly what I am talking ...   Nov 29 2005, 10:03 PM
MattR     Nov 29 2005, 10:05 PM
Racer Chris   It isn't too hard to get 130hp for $6k or...   Nov 29 2005, 10:09 PM
Travis Neff   I bought a used 2.0 with clutch, exhaust and FI fo...   Nov 29 2005, 10:17 PM
cha914   Just as a data point...in Jan of 02, after throwin...   Nov 29 2005, 10:25 PM
Porcharu   Ouch, that is alot of cash for a (hot rod) VW bus ...   Nov 29 2005, 10:44 PM
horizontally-opposed   No question that an NA Subie with a radiator in th...   Nov 29 2005, 11:00 PM
JOHNMAN   Just before my current adventure (3.2 conversion i...   Nov 29 2005, 11:21 PM
J P Stein   http://www...   Nov 30 2005, 12:31 AM
messix   if you guys don't i'll be forced to build ...   Nov 30 2005, 12:34 AM
brant   Somebody correct me If I'm wrong here.... but ...   Nov 30 2005, 12:44 AM
bd1308     Nov 30 2005, 12:52 AM
Mr.C   My $240 cheap bastard as you can get blasphem...   Nov 30 2005, 01:03 AM
bd1308   the engine in the pic is a 2.0   Nov 30 2005, 01:15 AM
Mr.C   Brad at one time asked me if I was willing to pull...   Nov 30 2005, 01:19 AM
grantsfo   ...   Nov 30 2005, 01:23 AM
crash914   guys, a couple of points... The type IV bottom en...   Nov 30 2005, 07:32 AM
Mark Henry   Herb's right...most likely I can do a nice hot...   Nov 30 2005, 08:21 AM
ThinAir914     Nov 30 2005, 09:33 AM
Mark Henry   ...   Nov 30 2005, 09:41 AM
DNHunt   I hate to say it but, we are in a pickle. The prob...   Nov 30 2005, 09:56 AM
Mark Henry   Yep Say if I had 5 engines per buy, then my head...   Nov 30 2005, 10:16 AM
rick 918-S   I agree with the group buy concept. But don't ...   Nov 30 2005, 10:23 AM
TROJANMAN     Nov 30 2005, 10:34 AM
Mark Henry   ...   Nov 30 2005, 11:33 AM
ppickerell   ?????   Nov 30 2005, 11:47 AM
Mark Henry   Jake and I are starting to talk about this, but J...   Nov 30 2005, 12:02 PM
McMark   I think stock rebuilds in the $5k range are e...   Nov 30 2005, 12:14 PM
rhodyguy   mark h, so $1k for tuning alone:o ? what happ...   Nov 30 2005, 12:29 PM
Mark Henry   ...   Nov 30 2005, 12:37 PM
rhodyguy   why would the actual dyno install time be substanc...   Nov 30 2005, 12:48 PM
McMark   ...   Nov 30 2005, 01:07 PM
rhodyguy   i wasn't doubting that you spent $2k.   Nov 30 2005, 01:15 PM
Thomas J Bliznik   Hi Guys, Been following this post and here's ...   Nov 30 2005, 01:29 PM
horizontally-opposed   For better or worse, I think there is some great d...   Nov 30 2005, 01:41 PM
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