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| Aaron Cox |
 Aug 19 2003, 09:00 PM
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Professional Lawn Dart  Group: Retired Admin Posts: 24,541 Joined: 1-February 03 From: OC Member No.: 219 Region Association: Southern California  |
i know i would smoke 'im on the turns... but a 2002 (4 cyl - non turbo- has about 140 hp ). will he spank me on the 0-60? braking, 60 - 0?
what are the good points of a 2002? |
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| anthony |
Aug 19 2003, 09:15 PM
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A stock 2002 engine has more like 110hp unless he has a 2002tii.
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| ChrisReale |
Aug 19 2003, 09:42 PM
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Sleazy Group: Members Posts: 2,665 Joined: 20-January 03 From: San Francisco Member No.: 176 |
Plus, I think the 914 has a torque advantage
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| airsix |
Aug 19 2003, 09:49 PM
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I have bees in my epiglotis Group: Members Posts: 2,196 Joined: 7-February 03 From: Kennewick Man (E. WA State) Member No.: 266 |
Your car: 2,400lb and 80-95hp
His car: 2,400lb and 113-140hp depending on model Yes, he will smoke you in a straight line. -Ben M. |
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| fronkensteen1999 |
Aug 19 2003, 10:42 PM
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The tii is a great car too but I much prefer a real sports car to a "sports" sedan. Here are a couple of pages from the July 1983 issue of Road & Track. It was an article titled "Our selection of the ten best used car buys for under $5000". There was no mention of the 914.
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| SirAndy |
Aug 19 2003, 11:06 PM
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Resident German Group: Admin Posts: 41,626 Joined: 21-January 03 From: Oakland, Kalifornia Member No.: 179 Region Association: Northern California |
QUOTE(acox914 @ Aug 19 2003, 08:00 PM) what are the good points of a 2002? smaller (radius) tires. the 2002 has 14" (or even 13" ???) ... different gear ratio. more HP. about the same weight. Andy |
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| Brad Roberts |
Aug 19 2003, 11:10 PM
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914 Freak! Group: Members Posts: 19,148 Joined: 23-December 02 Member No.: 8 Region Association: None |
Why does Fronkenstein remind me of Alfred ??
Alfred was the only person who scanned MotorTrend stuff. Call me crazy. B |
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| ChrisReale |
Aug 19 2003, 11:11 PM
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Sleazy Group: Members Posts: 2,665 Joined: 20-January 03 From: San Francisco Member No.: 176 |
You read my mind Brad (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)
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| SirAndy |
Aug 19 2003, 11:12 PM
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Resident German Group: Admin Posts: 41,626 Joined: 21-January 03 From: Oakland, Kalifornia Member No.: 179 Region Association: Northern California |
QUOTE(Brad Roberts @ Aug 19 2003, 10:10 PM) Call me crazy. CRAZY B. |
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| SirAndy |
Aug 19 2003, 11:15 PM
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Resident German Group: Admin Posts: 41,626 Joined: 21-January 03 From: Oakland, Kalifornia Member No.: 179 Region Association: Northern California |
QUOTE(Brad Roberts @ Aug 19 2003, 10:10 PM) Alfred was the only person who scanned MotorTrend stuff. if it is alfred, at least this time he was somewhat creative with his name: FRONKENSTEEN GETS LUCKY - The Movie |
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| SirAndy |
Aug 19 2003, 11:19 PM
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Resident German Group: Admin Posts: 41,626 Joined: 21-January 03 From: Oakland, Kalifornia Member No.: 179 Region Association: Northern California |
this is quite a interesting trace route (IMG:style_emoticons/default/idea.gif)
Tracing route to 202.110.220.14 over a maximum of 30 hops 1 10 ms 14 ms 14 ms dsl081-051-001.sfo1.dsl.speakeasy.net [64.81.51.1] 2 11 ms 13 ms 11 ms border5.g3-4.speakeasy-29.sfo.pnap.net [63.251.53.219] 3 27 ms 30 ms 27 ms core2.ge0-0-bbnet1.sfo.pnap.net [63.251.63.2] 4 15 ms 15 ms 14 ms POS2-3.GW4.SFO4.ALTER.NET [157.130.205.201] 5 20 ms 18 ms 18 ms 162.ATM3-0.XR2.SFO4.ALTER.NET [152.63.48.190] 6 31 ms 31 ms 30 ms 0.so-0-0-0.XL2.SFO4.ALTER.NET [152.63.55.69] 7 15 ms 15 ms 17 ms 0.so-2-3-0.XL2.SAC1.ALTER.NET [152.63.50.161] 8 40 ms 39 ms 45 ms 0.so-3-0-0.XR2.SAC1.ALTER.NET [152.63.54.2] 9 23 ms 28 ms 28 ms POS7-0.IG3.SAC1.ALTER.NET [152.63.54.125] 10 161 ms 177 ms 176 ms cncgroup-gw.customer.alter.net [208.214.140.94] 11 176 ms 181 ms 167 ms 219.158.3.25 12 177 ms 180 ms 185 ms 219.158.6.158 13 171 ms 165 ms 164 ms 202.102.129.250 14 188 ms 179 ms 177 ms 61.179.255.18 15 * * * Request timed out. 16 172 ms 181 ms 182 ms 218.56.160.246 17 * * * Request timed out. 18 * * * Request timed out. 19 * * * Request timed out. 20 170 ms 165 ms * 202.110.220.14 21 167 ms * 166 ms 202.110.220.14 Trace complete. |
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| fronkensteen1999 |
Aug 19 2003, 11:21 PM
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QUOTE(Brad Roberts @ Aug 19 2003, 09:10 PM) Why does Fronkenstein remind me of Alfred ?? Alfred was the only person who scanned MotorTrend stuff. Call me crazy. B Um, this is Road & Track. And, that Alfred guy was a total jerk ... he liked facts and numbers waaay too much. Besides, you banned him because he didn't play well with others. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif) F |
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| rick 918-S |
Aug 19 2003, 11:47 PM
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Hey nice rack! -Celette Group: Members Posts: 20,451 Joined: 30-December 02 From: Now in Superior WI Member No.: 43 Region Association: Northstar Region 
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Dude... The 2002 will Spank you. I used to run down 5.0 Mustangs on the freeway with my stock motor ( in another life..I don't street race anymore) My modified 2002 motor has 12:1 compression,turbo valves, Schrick double valve springs, Paco 7800 series cam, custom manual chain tensioner, header, twin 40mm Weber side drafts.
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| SirAndy |
Aug 20 2003, 12:18 AM
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Resident German Group: Admin Posts: 41,626 Joined: 21-January 03 From: Oakland, Kalifornia Member No.: 179 Region Association: Northern California |
i used to have a 2002 (without the tii) and i was pretty fast (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
a friend of mine had a 2002tii with the wide body kit. what a beautiful car ... Andy |
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| 914zim |
Aug 20 2003, 07:19 AM
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Still pretty clueless... Group: Members Posts: 221 Joined: 29-July 03 From: New Berlin, WI Member No.: 962 |
Gentlemen:
I have both of these cars. I've only owned the 2002 (non tii) sine last Novemeber and it is a peppy little car. All stock except Crane ignition. I've only owned the 914 for 2 weeks and I have not even got it started yet! I'll be working on it tonight. I am very interested in finding out more about the comparison of these 2 cars. Hopefully, I can let you know my thoughts in the next few weeks after I get the 914 going!!! Thanks guys! Andy... |
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| airsix |
Aug 20 2003, 08:10 PM
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I have bees in my epiglotis Group: Members Posts: 2,196 Joined: 7-February 03 From: Kennewick Man (E. WA State) Member No.: 266 |
QUOTE(fronkensteen1999 @ Aug 19 2003, 08:42 PM) Here are a couple of pages from the July 1983 issue of Road & Track. It was an article titled "Our selection of the ten best used car buys for under $5000". There was no mention of the 914. F But... The 914-6 made R&T's list of "Best used sprortscars under $15,000" I forget when it ran. Sometime between 1989 and 1993. The editors all had to actually choose the make/model and then find a car for sale for $15,000 or less, take pictures, and do a writeup on the car. I've got it around here somewhere, but the cars chosen were as I remember: 911SC 911SC again 914-6 (with bigger motor, steel flares,etc.) Miata Lotus Esprit (first gen. The other edtors thought he was nuts) |
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| TimT |
Aug 20 2003, 08:28 PM
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retired Group: Members Posts: 4,033 Joined: 18-February 03 From: Wantagh, NY Member No.: 313 |
The Bmw 2002 will offer you a spanking as mentioned above.. For a sedan they handle great...... they have smooth powerful engines happy to live at high RPMs
Of course alot comes down to the driver..... Ive owned 2 bimmer 2002's.. Id love to get my hands on a clean unmolested example again |
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| Aaron Cox |
Aug 20 2003, 09:18 PM
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Professional Lawn Dart Group: Retired Admin Posts: 24,541 Joined: 1-February 03 From: OC Member No.: 219 Region Association: Southern California |
is is a four speed.... mine is a five speed. oh well.... i get spanked (IMG:style_emoticons/default/confused24.gif)
we will go to a canyon road then! |
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| Aaron Cox |
Aug 20 2003, 09:19 PM
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Professional Lawn Dart Group: Retired Admin Posts: 24,541 Joined: 1-February 03 From: OC Member No.: 219 Region Association: Southern California |
here is a 914 and 911 and some alpha's getting spanked by a "built" 2002:
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| airsix |
Aug 20 2003, 09:58 PM
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I have bees in my epiglotis Group: Members Posts: 2,196 Joined: 7-February 03 From: Kennewick Man (E. WA State) Member No.: 266 |
QUOTE(acox914 @ Aug 20 2003, 07:18 PM) is is a four speed.... mine is a five speed. oh well.... i get spanked (IMG:style_emoticons/default/confused24.gif) we will go to a canyon road then! All else being equal, a car with a lower power to weight ratio will be faster. In theory a car with 100hp weighing 2000lb will be exactly as fast as a car with 200hp weighing 4000lb. (ignoring rolling resistance, aerodynamic drag, etc.) A 914 and a BMW 2002 weigh almost exactly the same (I've weighed mine and it's within 100lb of the published weight for the BMW). It really starts to make sense when you convert the horsepower numbert to percetages. The BMW has from 16% to as much as 33% more power than a 914 2.0. (95hp 914 vs. 113-140hp BMW 2002 depending on model) Now twisties are another thing alltogether. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif) You will have the upper hand in that area. Just don't end up in a ditch or in the grill of a truck. -Ben M. Apendix A. Regarding your comment about having 5 gears vs. his 4.... Well, gears are just for keeping your engine in the meaty part of the torque curve. The broader an engine's torque curve the fewer gears it needs to be effective. As long as you always have a gear the puts you in the fat of the torque curve you have enough. For some cars that means 4. For others it means 5 or even 6. Some get by with as few as 2. -Ben M. |
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