 goint to a SIX, a few questions |
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| grasshopper |
 Dec 23 2005, 04:36 PM
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Advanced Member  Group: Members Posts: 2,613 Joined: 10-December 04 From: Valdosta, GA Member No.: 3,258 Region Association: None  |
ok, i have made a final decision on the engine for my project car, and it is going to be a 2.2 SIX. I am going to use E cams, and S pistons. I was wondering about a few things though... 1. If i am using a Vellios oil tank, which has AN fittings, what adapters do i need for the engine?? i need to mod the oil cooler, so i am just going to go ahead, and put a AN fitting on there..., but what about all the other connections....?? 2. what is the exact route of the oil system... starting with the oil tank, and ending with the oil tank.... the whole system seems a little complicated... 3. The last question for now... where can i get a bell crank throttle linkage?? i liked the one i saw in trekkors SIX thread, but i havn't found anyone selling these... could someone direct me to one, or do i have to fab my own?? Thanks in advance!
Barry (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/locust.gif) |
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| John |
Dec 23 2005, 04:44 PM
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member? what's a member? Group: Members Posts: 3,393 Joined: 30-January 04 From: Evansville, IN (SIRPCA) Member No.: 1,615 Region Association: None |
Oil tank -> Oil Pump (oil enters pump just below engine mounted oil cooler) Oil Pump - Through Engine to Scavange pump (all inside engine) Scavange Pump -> Return to tank (or thermostat and external oil cooler then back to tank) It all depends on if you are running an external oil cooler.
Try Dan Root (Root Werks) I thought he did those things. I'm not a fan of all that Monkey motion. (I use a stock 914-4 cable and a custom linkage) |
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| TimT |
Dec 23 2005, 04:49 PM
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retired Group: Members Posts: 4,033 Joined: 18-February 03 From: Wantagh, NY Member No.: 313 |
Clewett makes the AN to metric adapter you need for the engine, Makes them in -12 and -16
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| SirAndy |
Dec 23 2005, 04:52 PM
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Resident German Group: Admin Posts: 41,640 Joined: 21-January 03 From: Oakland, Kalifornia Member No.: 179 Region Association: Northern California |
don't use the Vellios tank ... 2 out of 3 i have seen LEAK (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/icon8.gif) the repro tanks in the eComm are available again ... (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/wink.gif) Andy |
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| brant |
Dec 23 2005, 04:55 PM
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914 Wizard Group: Members Posts: 11,623 Joined: 30-December 02 From: Colorado Member No.: 47 Region Association: Rocky Mountains 
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Barry,
are you going to build up a fresh engine? I'm curious why you choose the 2.2 (I've been pondering and plotting about a 2.2, and am very excited about that size of motor, so don't take this negatively) There is a set of used 2.2S pistons over on pelican for the last week, that I wish I had the money for by the way. I'll bet Dan, will make you one up for sale. If he is out, I think Rich Johnson makes a nice bellcrank set up too... (and is another good guy just like dan!) brant |
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| grasshopper |
Dec 23 2005, 04:56 PM
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Advanced Member Group: Members Posts: 2,613 Joined: 10-December 04 From: Valdosta, GA Member No.: 3,258 Region Association: None |
ok, i never got what E-comm was.... could you help me out... people talk about it, but no one actually said what it was... could you help me out here (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/051103-stupid4.gif) |
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| SirAndy |
Dec 23 2005, 05:01 PM
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Resident German Group: Admin Posts: 41,640 Joined: 21-January 03 From: Oakland, Kalifornia Member No.: 179 Region Association: Northern California |
there's a link on top of each page here called "Club Store" ... in there, we sell a few parts from 914 Members through a custom eCommerce interface. we're trying to consolidate all the club members parts into one single shop. of course, you can still buy all this stuff through our members directly, we just wanted to make it easier to shop around. anyways, we have a member that makes reproduction oiltanks that are very high quality. they also hold a bit more oil than the stock tank, which is especially good for larger engines. they had been on backorder, but he's up to speed again with production. (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/wink.gif) Andy |
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| brant |
Dec 23 2005, 05:01 PM
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914 Wizard Group: Members Posts: 11,623 Joined: 30-December 02 From: Colorado Member No.: 47 Region Association: Rocky Mountains
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Barry,
your not stupid... try the "club store" tab at the top of the page. I think the BEAUTIFUL aluminum tanks are under the engine listing.... ooops.... Andy beat me to it This post has been edited by brant: Dec 23 2005, 05:02 PM |
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| michel richard |
Dec 23 2005, 05:04 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 1,291 Joined: 22-July 03 From: Longueuil, Québec Member No.: 936 |
I love the 2.2 engine, mostly because of its short stroke, which makes for high revs. I've taken my 2.2 E to 7,500 for very brief periods without mishap. It is exhilarating.
When JOhnman says the oil goes from the oil tank to the oil pump, he's right, technically. But along the way the oil goes through a pipe that is physically part of the oil cooler. There's only two external oil lines you need to be concerned about. 1) from the bottom of the oil tank, rearward in the wheel well then to the pipe under (part of) the oil cooler, then to the oil pump and 2) from the scavenge pump, out the passenger side of the engine, forward to near the firewall, then across to the oil tank. I have a two sets of E cams, if you're interested. Michel Richard |
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| grasshopper |
Dec 23 2005, 05:06 PM
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Advanced Member Group: Members Posts: 2,613 Joined: 10-December 04 From: Valdosta, GA Member No.: 3,258 Region Association: None |
oh, ok. Thanks.... i didn't know that was the E-comm thing... (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif) thanks for all the reply's so far... but $750 for an oil tank (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/ohmy.gif) .....
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| grasshopper |
Dec 23 2005, 05:15 PM
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Advanced Member Group: Members Posts: 2,613 Joined: 10-December 04 From: Valdosta, GA Member No.: 3,258 Region Association: None |
the reason i am doing a 2.2, is because i have a 2.2 in my garage (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif) i pulled it out of a very low milage 911T. We got it running real well, and little to our knowledge... after looking at the engine, it already has oil fed chain tensioners, and upgraded to webber carbs.... it also has the original carbs with it, which i plan on selling, to raise money for conversion parts... (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/wacko.gif) it is a good solid motor... and i have heard a lot of good about 2.2 engines... i might upgrade later on, but for now i am content with a 2.2 (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/cool.gif) |
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| SLITS |
Dec 23 2005, 05:24 PM
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"This Utah shit is HARSH!" Group: Benefactors Posts: 13,602 Joined: 22-February 04 From: SoCal Mountains ... Member No.: 1,696 Region Association: None  |
Money is what a conversion is all about....get used to it.
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| brant |
Dec 23 2005, 05:35 PM
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914 Wizard Group: Members Posts: 11,623 Joined: 30-December 02 From: Colorado Member No.: 47 Region Association: Rocky Mountains
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unfortunately there is some truth to that statement. Its expensive.... although A lot of people on this site have done a good job of making it more economical... |
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| IronHillRestorations |
Dec 23 2005, 05:43 PM
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I. I. R. C. Group: Members Posts: 6,719 Joined: 18-March 03 From: West TN Member No.: 439 Region Association: None
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IIRC, you want S heads too. If you can find them and afford them too.
I would pick the new GPR tank over the cast aluminum tank, for several reasons. The GPR tank has more oil capacity, installs just like a factory tank (with the filter console boot and the other seals), and you can actually get a response from GPR. I've never heard of one of the GPR tanks leaking, but I can't say the same for the cast aluminum tanks which weigh about six times as much as the GPR tank. The nice thing about the GPR tank is it's available with factory fittings or AN fittings. I usually stock the GPR tanks, as well as some of the AN adapters. If you have the later style engine oil cooler with the larger slip on hose, it's very easy to convert that to AN. If you have a early style oil cooler with the Porsche flare fitting, this can be modified with the fitting from Clewitt, or it can be modified by a really skilled welder. The easiest way to go for a small displacement engine is if you can find a 914-6 engine oil cooler, the 914-6 oil pipe, and a OEM oil line kit. This isn't the budget way to go, but it will be the easiest to put together. |
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| Trekkor |
Dec 23 2005, 06:19 PM
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I do things... Group: Members Posts: 7,809 Joined: 2-December 03 From: Napa, Ca Member No.: 1,413 Region Association: Northern California |
It's a great project and you will learn a lot in doing it.
Have fun...I did. KT |
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| sixnotfour |
Dec 23 2005, 07:17 PM
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914 Wizard Group: Members Posts: 10,431 Joined: 12-September 04 From: Life Elevated..planet UT. Member No.: 2,744 Region Association: Rocky Mountains
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Factory oil routing
I bought a real nice factory tank 500.00 and a not so nice one but had the filter adapter and filler neck 400.00 Good Luck , another convert (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/burnout.gif) Attached image(s) 
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| grasshopper |
Dec 23 2005, 07:41 PM
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Advanced Member Group: Members Posts: 2,613 Joined: 10-December 04 From: Valdosta, GA Member No.: 3,258 Region Association: None |
thanks for all the reply's. After all the talk about the crappy aftermarket ones, i might just use some money from other areas, and buy the one in the club store... or find a good original used one... Trekkor, which tank did you use?? did you have any problems?? Thanks guys! i'm excited now (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif)
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| campbellcj |
Dec 23 2005, 08:17 PM
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I can't Re Member Group: Members Posts: 4,545 Joined: 26-December 02 From: Agoura, CA Member No.: 21 Region Association: Southern California
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I have a 2.2S-spec engine w/ Webers and it is definitely a nice match for a "factory like" 914-6 setup. The 2.0 and 2.2 are zingers that will run at high revs all day long. Not a ton of torque, but if you have that, then you'd get the itch for flares, 10" wheels, etc. etc....
Good tips above. I would have to double check but I think my throttle bellcrank & bracket setup either came from Rich Johnson or perhaps the guy/shop who fabs the parts for him (I am honestly not sure what he builds vs what he sources from outside and resells.) It works well. You do either have to drill and tap the intermediate plate or use an aftermarket plate already with the mount point, to use this type of throttle linkage. Have fun w/ the conversion! (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/driving.gif) |
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| campbellcj |
Dec 23 2005, 08:19 PM
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I can't Re Member Group: Members Posts: 4,545 Joined: 26-December 02 From: Agoura, CA Member No.: 21 Region Association: Southern California
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BTW I got this on ebay for $400 IIRC (might have been less). NOS factory tank, sat in a guys garage for years waiting for that project that never got off the ground. Turned out he only lived 2 miles from me so I picked it up in person and chatted p-car stuff for a while.
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| Trekkor |
Dec 23 2005, 08:43 PM
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I do things... Group: Members Posts: 7,809 Joined: 2-December 03 From: Napa, Ca Member No.: 1,413 Region Association: Northern California |
Used Vellios...No leaks. AN -16 out, -12 in. What motor mount will you use? this otta be fun (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/ph34r.gif) KT Attached image(s) 
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