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| effutuo101 |
 Jan 27 2006, 11:41 AM
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Advanced Member  Group: Members Posts: 2,734 Joined: 10-April 05 From: Lemon Grove Member No.: 3,914 Region Association: Southern California  |
As I was standing in the garage having a cup of coffee this morning, I was thinking about my braking system. I thought to myself, wow, i wonder if there is an stand alone ABS system that I could put in here. That ran me down the other list of things that I want to do to my car and the $$$ associated with that. Oh well, I need the roll cage, motor, and ......
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| Jeroen |
Jan 27 2006, 12:05 PM
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914 Guru Group: Members Posts: 7,887 Joined: 24-December 02 From: The Netherlands Member No.: 3 Region Association: Europe |
a trained right foot don't need not abs (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/wink.gif)
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| alpha434 |
Jan 27 2006, 12:39 PM
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My member number is no coincidence. Group: Members Posts: 3,154 Joined: 16-December 05 From: Denver, CO Member No.: 5,280 Region Association: Rocky Mountains |
Front only abs would be nice. With an electric brakes booster that jumps the pressure to some thousand psi. Yeah!
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| Rrrockhound |
Jan 27 2006, 04:31 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 192 Joined: 30-November 05 From: Delaware, OH Member No.: 5,213 Region Association: None 
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Can a trained right foot pump one caliper at 10 times per second while applying steady pressure to the others? |
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| Dr Evil |
Jan 27 2006, 05:08 PM
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Send me your transmission! Group: Members Posts: 22,995 Joined: 21-November 03 From: Loveland, OH 45140 Member No.: 1,372 Region Association: MidAtlantic Region
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To further your journey into the ABS you may want to consider a system off of a BMW motorcycle. BMW bikes are what come to mind because I have two and am familiar, to a point, with thier system. Plus, if its on a bike it is probably small (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/smilie_pokal.gif) , very protable (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/smilie_pokal.gif) , and should not be too hard to find (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif)
FYI: many of the BMW bikes use the same calipers as other light sports cars, Brembo. My 1100RS has dual front, and a single rear caliper. It should be a good candidate for two wheel ABS. Who knows? (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/confused24.gif) |
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| Jeroen |
Jan 27 2006, 07:24 PM
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914 Guru Group: Members Posts: 7,887 Joined: 24-December 02 From: The Netherlands Member No.: 3 Region Association: Europe |
sounds like a great way to lock up your rear brakes (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/screwy.gif) |
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| Jeroen |
Jan 27 2006, 07:28 PM
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914 Guru Group: Members Posts: 7,887 Joined: 24-December 02 From: The Netherlands Member No.: 3 Region Association: Europe |
I've driven cars with ABS and it's highly overrated Gives the driver a false sense of safety... I don't need it, thank you very much |
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| lapuwali |
Jan 27 2006, 07:46 PM
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Not another one! Group: Benefactors Posts: 4,526 Joined: 1-March 04 From: San Mateo, CA Member No.: 1,743  |
I've only driven two cars with ABS, an early 90s Prelude and my wife's 2004 Subaru. The Prelude system was simply dangerous. I sailed right through an intersection with patchy ice because the ABS had such a slow cycling time that it was applying the brakes on the icy bits and releasing them on the bits without ice. Scary.
The Soob system is so passive that you really have to be aggressive to activate it. You can get some minor slip, but if you go really gonzo and slam on the brakes, you can just barely feel it kick in. However, the car has soft enough suspension that things get pretty hairy if you try to brake hard and turn, and not from wheel slip, but from wheels leaving the ground entirely. Anyone who really needs it should probably be taking the bus instead. ABS only the fronts, yeah, good idea... (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/screwy.gif) |
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| ClayPerrine |
Jan 27 2006, 08:37 PM
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Life's been good to me so far..... Group: Admin Posts: 15,430 Joined: 11-September 03 From: Hurst, TX. Member No.: 1,143 Region Association: NineFourteenerVille
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My car already has ABS..... Adrenaline Braking System.
When something is too close and I have to hit the brakes, The adrenaline kicks in.... (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif) |
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| TimT |
Jan 27 2006, 08:47 PM
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retired Group: Members Posts: 4,033 Joined: 18-February 03 From: Wantagh, NY Member No.: 313 |
ABS is a double edged sword..
I used to race with a guy that had an E30 (I think) M3.. Once the ABS sensor on one of his wheels failed. He promptly flat spotted his tires.. He had no idea how to modulate "regular " brakes. He came into the pits slammed his helmet down in a very melodramatic fashion and had a tantrum..Bill and I though it quite funny.. I always thought it pretty sad that some race drivers, just stand on the brakes and let the ABS modulate and slow the car..because cables and sensors do fail.. One should have the skills to deal with that. Proper braking technique takes some seat time. |
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| J P Stein |
Jan 27 2006, 08:47 PM
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Irrelevant old fart Group: Members Posts: 8,797 Joined: 30-December 02 From: Vancouver, WA Member No.: 45 Region Association: None |
If a stand alone ABS system was available for a 914 at a reasonable price, I'd be on it like a chicken on a june bug. It's not likely to happen due to the variables involved along with the dangers of letting folks mess with it.....liability & all.
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| J P Stein |
Jan 27 2006, 08:57 PM
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Irrelevant old fart Group: Members Posts: 8,797 Joined: 30-December 02 From: Vancouver, WA Member No.: 45 Region Association: None |
Humm...modulate 3 braking tires. ...or more precisely, tires that brake at differnent rates. I gotta work on that (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/laugh.gif)
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| TimT |
Jan 27 2006, 09:05 PM
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retired Group: Members Posts: 4,033 Joined: 18-February 03 From: Wantagh, NY Member No.: 313 |
JP when one sensor on the ABS system goes out.. the whole ABS is offline
ie if one ABS sensor fails, you dont still have three wheels with ABS.. you have zero wheels with ABS..at least on the early M3s If thats what your talkin about.. |
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| Allan |
Jan 27 2006, 09:14 PM
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Teenerless Weenie Group: Members Posts: 8,373 Joined: 5-July 04 From: Western Mesopotamia Member No.: 2,304 Region Association: Southern California |
Hi Mike, how's Noel? Rose says hello... I wish my car weighed 500 pounds. Good idea? |
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| grantsfo |
Jan 27 2006, 09:22 PM
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Arrrrhhhh! Group: Members Posts: 4,327 Joined: 16-March 03 Member No.: 433 Region Association: None |
I have driven lots of cars with and without ABS. I can use both pretty effectively, but I hate those abs systems that deploy too early. I like the things you can do without a computer between you and the brake sometimes. However ABS is nice as you cant lock up a single wheel when surfaces are slicker than expected. You know which company has really impressed me with their ABS application? Mazda! They have perfected the ABS systems on the all new 2006 MX5 and RX8. They figured out how to give these two cars threshold braking all the way to where the wheels start to skid and then the system smoothly modulates without the typical pulsing associated with ABS equipped Porsches I have driven. The MX5 and RX8 offer better to equal stopping distances to the Honda S2000, Lotus Elise, Boxster, Enzo and lots of other expensive cars with much better (stickier and wider) tires and suspensions. |
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| J P Stein |
Jan 27 2006, 09:22 PM
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Irrelevant old fart Group: Members Posts: 8,797 Joined: 30-December 02 From: Vancouver, WA Member No.: 45 Region Association: None |
Well, that puts a different spin on things. (NPI)
So he should have changed his braking points and modulated his brakes as soon as he realized his ABS was non functional, eh? Personally, I would have pulled off. Had I not realized that I had a problem, I would have braked at my usual point, flatspottted my tires, pulled off, & then been pissed. (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/laugh.gif) What I can't discern is what your position on ABS would be. Better or worse than non? |
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| TimT |
Jan 27 2006, 09:36 PM
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retired Group: Members Posts: 4,033 Joined: 18-February 03 From: Wantagh, NY Member No.: 313 |
I like ABS, though none of my own race cars are ABS equiped, I drive enough, and instruct in enough cars that have ABS to form an opinion. I have had students that approach a corner, and just stand on the brake till the ABS is active..they just step off the brake..and they use the "brake till I feel the ABS technique" Ive had students that were totally lost when PSM was switched off... I embrace all the tech, but believe driver should learn to drive sans all the tech.. learn car control without the bells and whistles.. |
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| J P Stein |
Jan 27 2006, 09:41 PM
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Irrelevant old fart Group: Members Posts: 8,797 Joined: 30-December 02 From: Vancouver, WA Member No.: 45 Region Association: None |
Ah, a true 914 guy. I believe you're right, but it's been forced on me. (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/laugh.gif) |
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| Brian Mifsud |
Jan 27 2006, 10:03 PM
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Mechanical Engineer Group: Members Posts: 981 Joined: 3-March 03 From: Penngrove, CA Member No.: 384 Region Association: None |
I thought ABS was STOCK on my 914!!!
I can't get my brakes to lock up if my life depended on it! (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif) (after overhauling all 4 calipers, installing a 19mm overhauled master cylinder, I'm convinced the inside of the lines have corroded internally and I'm getting a ridiculous pressure drop.. I've bled the system 'til the cows came home and still no intended lockup.....) |
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| r_towle |
Jan 27 2006, 10:09 PM
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Custom Member Group: Members Posts: 24,571 Joined: 9-January 03 From: Taxachusetts Member No.: 124 Region Association: North East States
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Personally in the NE snow belt, I love ABS...
It keeps me from fixing all my cars... I do train my kids on cars without it so they know how to drive without it...that is very important, because it does not work that well on ice...it actually makes the situation worse in some conditions... So, learn how to pump the brakes... But ABS is alot of fun the the snow... It really stops the car quick...versus the slide to a stop technique... Rich |
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