Project MBT-8 914 (warning - big pics for dial-up), new build thread for my V8 tube car Options

[neo914-6]

Tim,

That's fantastic work! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smilie_pokal.gif)

I can forward pics from Elmer's 914 V8 w/NASCAR SB2 motor if you'd like. He's finally got it reliable enough to finish races at TH. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/blink.gif)

[byndbad914]

Tim,

That's fantastic work! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smilie_pokal.gif)

I can forward pics from Elmer's 914 V8 w/NASCAR SB2 motor if you'd like. He's finally got it reliable enough to finish races at TH. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/blink.gif)

thanks Felix - please do send me those pics. Just feel free to PM away (IMG:style_emoticons/default/beer.gif)

I am trying to convince my old boss to get us tix to the SEMA show (we have gone every year the past few, but he hasn't ordered them yet! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/headbang.gif) ) so I hope to meet you and see your car out there. Probably roll out near the end of the week to spend Friday walking until my hips hurt, then Friday night (IMG:style_emoticons/default/drunk.gif) away the pain and taking in some of the "talented" entertainment off the strip, and Saturday getting rid of my remaining dollar bills at the casinos and (IMG:style_emoticons/default/driving.gif) back to SoCal (IMG:style_emoticons/default/rocking nana.gif)

Sunday tends to be a lot of (IMG:style_emoticons/default/yellowsleep[1].gif) on the couch trying to recoup (IMG:style_emoticons/default/thumb3d.gif)

I think I got enough smileys in this post! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/idea.gif) and the all-important (IMG:style_emoticons/default/burnout.gif)

[neo914-6]

Tim,

That's fantastic work! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smilie_pokal.gif)

I can forward pics from Elmer's 914 V8 w/NASCAR SB2 motor if you'd like. He's finally got it reliable enough to finish races at TH. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/blink.gif)

thanks Felix - please do send me those pics. Just feel free to PM away (IMG:style_emoticons/default/beer.gif)

I am trying to convince my old boss to get us tix to the SEMA show (we have gone every year the past few, but he hasn't ordered them yet! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/headbang.gif) ) so I hope to meet you and see your car out there. Probably roll out near the end of the week to spend Friday walking until my hips hurt, then Friday night (IMG:style_emoticons/default/drunk.gif) away the pain and taking in some of the "talented" entertainment off the strip, and Saturday getting rid of my remaining dollar bills at the casinos and (IMG:style_emoticons/default/driving.gif) back to SoCal (IMG:style_emoticons/default/rocking nana.gif)

Sunday tends to be a lot of (IMG:style_emoticons/default/yellowsleep[1].gif) on the couch trying to recoup (IMG:style_emoticons/default/thumb3d.gif)

I think I got enough smileys in this post! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/idea.gif) and the all-important (IMG:style_emoticons/default/burnout.gif)

Tim,

I've only gone for 2 days for each of the last two years so this time I'm taking a week off work. Besides I have to deliver it Sunday and pick it up Saturday. After this crazy schedule of working on the car, I will probably sleep through the show (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

As the show gets closer, I'll organize a meet since there may be alot of people in the club attending. The car will be in area accessible to those without badges

[byndbad914]

Just got off the phone with AJ - looks like I will be taking Friday off to have Friday and Sat to start reassembly of the car at his shop (enough to get it all back on the trailer)!! After I get some of it back together he has some odds and ends to mount, but I may be able to get the thing back next week and start the fun of plumbing it and wiring it (IMG:style_emoticons/default/rocking nana.gif)

Just happy at this point - it has been a long time coming so I hope I really get it back next week and then I can lay into it. Probably take some PTO I have been saving and just spend a week or two straight cranking at it.

[byndbad914]

busting some tail the last couple weekends - here is where I am at (almost ready to take it out of AJ's!!)





and a fuzzy shot of the rear

[byndbad914]

s'more

stock dash all fitted in and steering column welded exactly where I want it to be - feels good and I can actually see the whole tach now (imagine that in a 914!!)


the rear without engine and cradle

[byndbad914]

and...

fitting 10lbs of sh!t in a 5lb bag - front trunk (I know the cell is high, but where else could I have but it? Nowhere, just too damn big but need 17gals just to make a decent session without running out!) The car will just plow a little more as the front gets "stiffer" (car lightens up with fuel loss on the nose).


engine and cradle


had to hack the sheot out of the upper perches - a little camber adj left, but basically all of my adjustments will be done with the bottom links (IMG:style_emoticons/default/blink.gif) When I win the lottery, I can buy a $2200 custom cell and redo the perches and such (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

[Britain Smith]

I can't believe that all the panel fit back on and it look like a 914 again...awesome work.

-Britain

[JPB]

Very good work and all them tubes are awsome. This thing can be jack up and Bajaed if ya wanted, no pun intended. The diaphragm bracing on the floor is excessive but solid as hell. You can extend your suspension arms and you can jack this thing up like a Chenoweth! It will sit well on the track with the weight but I don't think you have any HP restrictions for that space frame.

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[Aaron Cox]

Tim. you are nuts. and i respect that LOL

whatcha gonna use for the rest of the floor?

any reasons you didnt go center seat driver car?

AA

[MecGen]

Cool... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smiley_notworthy.gif)

This so seroiusly car porn...Sweet ass work. I think if you mounted the fuel cell on the roof it would still be deadly fast.

Gotta love it
+Karma

Later
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[byndbad914]

Tim. you are nuts. and i respect that LOL

(IMG:style_emoticons/default/wacko.gif) dat boy crazy... crazy? more like crazy insane. That whole joke about car addiction making heroin look like a desire for something salty (or however it goes) is so hard to explain to "others". I like you guys (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) You're all nuts (IMG:style_emoticons/default/beerchug.gif)

whatcha gonna use for the rest of the floor?

Aluminum skin. I was going to say leave it open in case I need to flintstone some extra brake before going into turn 1.

any reasons you didnt go center seat driver car?

fiancee. 'nuf said right! She didn't understand the heroin comment either until I gave her a ride. Then she said "I see how this can be addicting" <giggle giggle>

(IMG:style_emoticons/default/wub.gif) she gets it... tho' she still thinks I am nuts.

That and I really wanted it to be like a 914 tho' that is the loosest interpretation of a 914 most have seen. I like the stock dash and door panels and all that stuff on the cars - center seat would void that whole thing. If I were truly trying to build an uber-fast race car with awesome weight distribution and such, that is the right idea, and the cage would be way different too, but I just wanted it to feel like a 914 powered by cases of dynomite and safe in case I decide to take an off-track excursion that goes bad.

[Mr.C]

Is this thing still going to be tagged for the street? I would love to see it at a get together in the future.

[byndbad914]

Is this thing still going to be tagged for the street? I would love to see it at a get together in the future.

yeah, that is why I had to wedge the wiper assembly back in there and put the headlights on and so forth. I could slide it through registration without them in theory (we don't have state inspections here) but can't get insurance without it being "road worthy", so technically if you don't have insurance, you can't re-register.

It is WAY too loud to drive around without expecting to get a noise violation ticket, but hopefully if I am on my way to a burger-joint cruise night the cop would be cool if he stopped me. It would be a fix-it ticket I couldn't fix (IMG:style_emoticons/default/dry.gif)

[Brando]

Hot damn that's looking badass (IMG:style_emoticons/default/beer.gif)

Question though... It looks like you had the chassis built around the engine and trans. Like, wrapped around. How do you do an engine and trans drop if it's all caged in there like that?

[Aaron Cox]

Hot damn that's looking badass (IMG:style_emoticons/default/beer.gif)

Question though... It looks like you had the chassis built around the engine and trans. Like, wrapped around. How do you do an engine and trans drop if it's all caged in there like that?

silly rabbit! look at the pics. it comes out from the top. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/chairfall.gif)

[Brando]

Pictures wouldn't load (IMG:style_emoticons/default/screwy.gif) wierd...

It's a porsche, it's supposed to drop out the bottom (IMG:style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

[byndbad914]

So I just responed to an email from a fellow non-clubber, and I kinda get similar questions a lot, so thought I would put my response here for others to see. Well, I answered his questions specifically and this was the last one that generally I hear

Knowing what you know now about setting up your 5 link rears suspension (which I think is marvelous) is there a bearing carrier that you would buy rather than modify a Carrera? I have not researched the thread on ZR2 hubs or the C5 or C6's et al.

I modified the trailing arms since it was the absolute cheapest way to go. There are some expensive uprights out there (917 kit cars for instance - but way, way too expensive to buy their uprights separately) and I think there are some GT40 kits and such with uprights. You might check that out but it won't be cheap.

As for the Corvette stuff, I looked at it briefly AFTER I started my project. I would recommend this - figure out a way to adapt the whole dual A corvette rear with the corvette uprights. Adapt the front as well. Then you have a well designed dual A setup, same bolt pattern front and rear and so forth. At most you might need custom axles to match the CV at the hub with a different CV at the trans to match the Porsche stuff.

IF I HAD IT TO DO ALL OVER AGAIN, I WOULD HAVE DONE THIS. It would have saved me a lot of headache and money in the long run. ONLY DOWNSIDE is that there aren't any spherical bearing items yet (that I know of), so it would have had a bushing "give", but those cars are heavier than ours and pull over 1G all the time. I think it would look expensive to buy a Corvette front and rear suspension up front, but in the long run I believe it might be cheaper. Also, lots of brake upgrades (tho' no need to on our little cars!) and so forth, so really a good choice I feel. Also, down the road when more $ is back in the budget, building custom links with spherical ends to replace the actual A would be easy.

THAT SAID, I MADE NO MEASUREMENTS and am ASSUMING that it would fit. I would recommend finding a wrecked C5 or a friend's C5 and measure the arms, make templates and place in the car and see if you can make it work. I would bet it would considering how narrow the transaxles are on these cars.

Good luck and hopefully that helped a little. If you have some 914 trailing arms and room for the links, the 5-link is a simple setup too and I can help you with that if you chose to do that. I just think overall the Corvette has some well-designed pieces that you can buy off the shelf if you muck one up later.

Tim


So hopefully if anyone out there is starting from scratch and thinking about a serious tube chassis car, maybe consider my statement about using the C5 (or C6 tho' can't be too many wrecked yet) suspension front and rear. I think it would be an awesome doube-A setup. In previous posts, I have mentioned I intend to do that exact setup to a 70 Mustang as my next project a few years/cash replenishment down the road. The trans will be rear mounted and awesome, tho' not a C5/C6 setup, but even mo' better (tho' don't want to give all my sweet ideas away (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) )

[turbo914v8]

I love this thread. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wub.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wub.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smiley_notworthy.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smiley_notworthy.gif)

[Brett W]

I already looked at the C4 stuff and it won't work at all. There is no way to compensate for axle travel. They use a drive shaft. Now I have already pulled the wheels off my dad's bradn new ZO6 to measure and analyze the C6 stuff. There is potential there. The new stuff uses a CV joint on both ends.

The nice thing with the vette is the availability of a hub and bearing setup. This will allow you to construct a faily simple upright around it. Same thing goes for the rears. The bolt pattern is pretty common so big wheels are easy to come by

Looking good Tim, maybe i can get back on mine one day. If I could get a space on customer work.