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> MYTHBUSTERS: Did Gugelot really design the 914?
SirAndy
post Sep 9 2009, 06:14 PM
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QUOTE(johannes @ Sep 9 2009, 03:38 PM) *

Same car. Wide angle lens effect.

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post Sep 9 2009, 09:59 PM
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Now you can see it guys!! It looks just like a 914 right?

Where is the 914 Gugelot design smilie going down in flames?
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post Sep 9 2009, 10:05 PM
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QUOTE(johannes @ Sep 9 2009, 03:56 PM) *

(IMG:http://www.bayer.de/img/forschung/car/noflash-de.jpg)


I think we should infiltrate the Saab & Arbath owners' websites, & start rumors at each that Gugelot actually designed their sports cars with the glass fastbacks there too! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)
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post Sep 10 2009, 06:21 AM
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The smoking gun was always the early clay model...

Targa roof and high fenders ... Just like on a 911 Targa.

From http://www.gugelot.de/gugelot/bmw-bayer_sportwagen.php

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post Sep 10 2009, 08:34 AM
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(IMG:style_emoticons/default/popcorn[1].gif) Well I think ...that most of the comments and information should be moved into ...the...ORIGINALITY & HISTORY forum. most of this information is too important to be "lost " in the world garage forum. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/popcorn[1].gif)
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post Sep 10 2009, 08:44 AM
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Good point ME733.

Is it possible to edit out the non-essential information and lock down the good info on a separate thread?
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post Sep 10 2009, 11:08 AM
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QUOTE(ME733 @ Sep 10 2009, 06:34 AM) *

(IMG:style_emoticons/default/popcorn[1].gif) Well I think ...that most of the comments and information should be moved into ...the...ORIGINALITY & HISTORY forum. most of this information is too important to be "lost " in the world garage forum. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/popcorn[1].gif)

(IMG:style_emoticons/default/agree.gif) There's already a link in the "Classics" forum.



Do we have any good writers here?
I've been meaning to submit this to Excellence Magazine, but my writing skills are rather marginal ...
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post Aug 20 2010, 01:08 PM
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QUOTE(johannes @ Sep 10 2009, 04:21 AM) *

The smoking gun was always the early clay model...
Targa roof and high fenders ... Just like on a 911 Targa.
From http://www.gugelot.de/gugelot/bmw-bayer_sportwagen.php
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At least we can now trace this project ... Gugelot car 1/1 clay model ? what car is this ?

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post Aug 20 2010, 01:26 PM
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More has been posted about the Gugelot car here

The one who says this is the 914 ancestor has to wear glasses ...

http://www.formfreu.de/?p=10392

http://www.hansgugelot.com/bilder/content_.../Markt-1990.pdf

http://www.hansgugelot.com/bilder/content_...Information.pdf

http://www.hansgugelot.com/de/bmw-bayer_sportwagen.php

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post Aug 20 2010, 06:34 PM
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My 914 history book states:

"Porsche already knew of an existing design study by a nearby company, Gugelot GMBH, for a front-engined sports car made out of advanced composite materials. This was acquired and quickly adapted by Butzl Porsche to accept either engine in a mid-mounted arrangement similar to Porsche's racing models."
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post Aug 20 2010, 08:05 PM
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My 914 history book states:

"Porsche already knew of an existing design study by a nearby company, Gugelot GMBH, for a front-engined sports car made out of advanced composite materials. This was acquired and quickly adapted by Butzl Porsche to accept either engine in a mid-mounted arrangement similar to Porsche's racing models."

Yes. A lot of books are repeating that same statement.


The purpose of this thread was to show what really happened ...
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post Aug 21 2010, 04:03 AM
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This was acquired and quickly adapted by Butzl Porsche

From journalist imagination. Not even an idiot would buy a project to "quickly" adapt it to a completely different architecture and make a 100% different design. That is nonsense.
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post Aug 21 2010, 04:05 AM
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the picture above was not from the Gugelot / BMW / Bayer project but is the ...

Opel 1900 GT Aero prototype. Was it also "quickely adapted" from the Gugelot design ? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)
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post Dec 24 2013, 09:47 AM
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QUOTE(Eric_Shea @ May 5 2006, 04:00 PM) *

If anything, the Gugelot story got Ferdinand Alexander Porsche to admit that there is such a thing as a 914 (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

Haha good one! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/lol-2.gif)
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post Dec 24 2013, 11:36 AM
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So are there pics of the other four models that were considered in the Porsche design contest before they settled on our beloved 914 as we know it today?
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post Dec 24 2013, 11:40 AM
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QUOTE(tumamilhem @ Dec 24 2013, 10:47 AM) *

QUOTE(Eric_Shea @ May 5 2006, 04:00 PM) *

If anything, the Gugelot story got Ferdinand Alexander Porsche to admit that there is such a thing as a 914 (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

Haha good one! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/lol-2.gif)


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Yeah, Eric, good one! From seven years ago.

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post Apr 2 2014, 10:04 AM
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More pictures from the Bayer K67 Car designed by Guguelot

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More pictures here

http://www.motor-talk.de/blogs/kuesmagazin...s-t3370902.html

http://www.formfreu.de/2009/09/26/bayer-k6...olyurethan-bmw/
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post Apr 2 2014, 11:30 AM
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Nice! Ugly, but nice ...
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see item #4 above,a tray spoiler like no other designer's.
A long gestation of styling ideas.
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post Aug 13 2014, 11:01 AM
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On this NYT article it is written that the Gugelot story has been reported by Bernt Polster...

"Bernd Polster, a leading German design historian, traces the 914’s basic shape to a design that Gugelot created for a never-built car planned by a plastics company. But F. A. Porsche, known as Butzi, who designed the 911, denied that story in an interview in the book “Porsche 914 & 914-6: The Definitive History of the Road and Competition Cars” by Brian Long (Veloce Publishing, 2006)."

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/11/04/automobi.../04PORSCHE.html

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