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| shaggy |
 Sep 12 2006, 06:36 PM
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mechanic/welder/fabricator  Group: Members Posts: 702 Joined: 26-September 05 From: Gilbert, AZ Member No.: 4,869 Region Association: None  |
what seam sealer should i use??
LOCTITE 574 or whatever else? thanks -shag |
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| VaccaRabite |
Sep 12 2006, 08:18 PM
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En Garde! Group: Admin Posts: 13,442 Joined: 15-December 03 From: Dallastown, PA Member No.: 1,435 Region Association: MidAtlantic Region |
I got the stuff that eastwood sells, and it went on really well.
Get the Eastwood catalogue, if you are restoring a car, it is required reading. Even if it is to just give you ideas on how to fix stuff, without actually buying stuff from them. http://www.eastwoodco.com/ Zach |
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| Rand |
Sep 12 2006, 11:10 PM
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Cross Member Group: Members Posts: 7,409 Joined: 8-February 05 From: OR Member No.: 3,573 Region Association: None |
Maybe I'm in the minority, but I HATE seam sealer. In many cases it creates more rot problems than it solves. Yes, it can be done well, but I still say most of it is from the devil. I've had nightmares about removing that crap. I would much rather deal with rust removal, Ospho, <insert your favorite rust killer / preventer / yada here> and a quality rust protective paint (Por15, Hammerite, etc.). Yes, the prep and treatment is critical for a quality result, but man I'm glad to have NO seam sealer. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
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| shaggy |
Sep 12 2006, 11:48 PM
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mechanic/welder/fabricator Group: Members Posts: 702 Joined: 26-September 05 From: Gilbert, AZ Member No.: 4,869 Region Association: None |
oh...sorry i should have been more specific. im talking about seam sealer for a 2.0L engine...
sorry... -jim |
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| Rand |
Sep 12 2006, 11:50 PM
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Cross Member Group: Members Posts: 7,409 Joined: 8-February 05 From: OR Member No.: 3,573 Region Association: None |
Hey Jim. Sorry if I went off on a tangent. Where exactly are you wanting to use seam sealer on your 2.0 engine?
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| shaggy |
Sep 13 2006, 12:30 AM
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mechanic/welder/fabricator Group: Members Posts: 702 Joined: 26-September 05 From: Gilbert, AZ Member No.: 4,869 Region Association: None |
QUOTE(Rand @ Sep 12 2006, 10:50 PM)  Hey Jim. Sorry if I went off on a tangent. Where exactly are you wanting to use seam sealer on your 2.0 engine? everywhere that needs it (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) case halves pushrod seals jugs cam plug main seals intake runner gaskets exuahst rings(<- not sure about that one) i think thats all... please let me know if im missing something -jim |
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| MoveQik |
Sep 13 2006, 12:34 AM
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What size wheels can I fit? Group: Members Posts: 4,645 Joined: 5-April 05 From: Scottsdale, AZ Member No.: 3,881 Region Association: Southwest Region  |
Just tell your dad to get off his lazy arse and handle it. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)
:duckandrunforcoversmilie: (IMG:style_emoticons/default/poke.gif) |
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| Rand |
Sep 13 2006, 12:40 AM
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Cross Member Group: Members Posts: 7,409 Joined: 8-February 05 From: OR Member No.: 3,573 Region Association: None |
Dude, sorry for the semantic confusion. But when I heard "seam sealer" I was thinking of the more common seam sealer used between body panels.
You are talking engine parts, which is a different matter. And now let us address a whole new series of opinions! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) Ok, some of my opinions on this... Pushrod tube seals: Loctite 565 flexible sealant. Rotate the tubes and let them set. I think Jake will back this. Case halves and jugs? Not sure you need chemical junk there, but I will defer to the engine gurus on those. Intake runner gaskets? Nothing crazy needed there. I used a cheap solution: Radiator hose pieces that match the dimensions. They are nice and tight. The purists will insist on cloth-covered pieces. Exhuast rings? If you mean the copper gaskets between the heads and headers/exhuaust pipes/manifolds, then just get them from a local VW supplier. Cost is not an issue. Best of luck! |
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| shaggy |
Sep 13 2006, 12:41 AM
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mechanic/welder/fabricator Group: Members Posts: 702 Joined: 26-September 05 From: Gilbert, AZ Member No.: 4,869 Region Association: None |
LOL (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)
but if he did that id never learn it... + its unwise to piss off your financier ++ he owns the car -jim |
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| MoveQik |
Sep 13 2006, 12:43 AM
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What size wheels can I fit? Group: Members Posts: 4,645 Joined: 5-April 05 From: Scottsdale, AZ Member No.: 3,881 Region Association: Southwest Region |
QUOTE(shaggy @ Sep 12 2006, 11:41 PM) LOL (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) but if he did that id never learn it... + its unwise to piss off your financier ++ he owns the car -jim jim - you are wise beyond your years. I look forward to meeting you soon! MW |
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| shaggy |
Sep 13 2006, 12:46 AM
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mechanic/welder/fabricator Group: Members Posts: 702 Joined: 26-September 05 From: Gilbert, AZ Member No.: 4,869 Region Association: None |
QUOTE(Rand @ Sep 12 2006, 11:40 PM) Dude, sorry for the semantic confusion. But when I heard "seam sealer" I was thinking of the more common seam sealer used between body panels. You are talking engine parts, which is a different matter. And now let us address a whole new series of opinions! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) Ok, some of my opinions on this... Pushrod tube seals: Loctite 565 flexible sealant. Rotate the tubes and let them set. I think Jake will back this. Case halves and jugs? Not sure you need chemical junk there, but I will defer to the engine gurus on those. Intake runner gaskets? Nothing crazy needed there. I used a cheap solution: Radiator hose pieces that match the dimensions. They are nice and tight. The purists will insist on cloth-covered pieces. Exhuast rings? If you mean the copper gaskets between the heads and headers/exhuaust pipes/manifolds, then just get them from a local VW supplier. Cost is not an issue. Best of luck! ok so for push tubes i need a flexible sealer huh? i heard that the 6-ers use loctite 574 for the case for the intake runners i mean where the runner meets the intake port of the head. i didnt think the exhaust needed sealer, but i had to check, over the course of buying parts for the rebuild i have accumulated 2 sets of copper exhaust gaskets. thanks for the response -jim |
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| Rand |
Sep 13 2006, 12:54 AM
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Cross Member Group: Members Posts: 7,409 Joined: 8-February 05 From: OR Member No.: 3,573 Region Association: None |
Yes, pushrod tubes, loctite 565 flexible sealant, has Jake's approval.
Again, I don't know about the case. Looking forward to learning from this. Intake runners to me are the air tubes. If you mean the phenolic blocks, then I look forward to more input from the gurus. My take is they have paper-like gasket material on each side and do NOT need any kind of sealant. If Jake or some other guru pipes in and recommends a sealant then I will be schooled. Otherwise, just clean the surfaces and bolt it up. The copper exhaust gaskets between the heads and exhaust pipes/headers... just make sure you have only one set (sounds dumb, but many people have dealt with extras in there). No sealant needed there. Just clean and unmolested surfaces. |
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