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Master vs. Valet Key Question |
rigglet |
Nov 29 2006, 03:44 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 149 Joined: 28-November 06 From: Westfield, Indiana Member No.: 7,272 Region Association: Upper MidWest |
Hi everyone! I am a brand new 914 owner and I just found your excellent site. I have wanted one of these cars for a long time now and I have finally made the jump.
My question is this. The person I purchase the car from had lost the original keys. They had some keys made up, but they are only valet keys. I have ordered some replacement master key blanks. Am I able to use the valet key to create the master key? Or will the locksmith need to tear apart one of the locks in order to create the master? I look forward to all the information that I know is available on this site. Thanks for taking time to answer my question. |
ejm |
Nov 29 2006, 04:16 PM
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I can see the light at the end of the tunnel Group: Members Posts: 2,690 Joined: 3-February 03 From: Massachusetts Member No.: 224 Region Association: None |
QUOTE Am I able to use the valet key to create the master key? Yes, the cut is the same, it is the profile of the blank that is different. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/welcome.png) |
rigglet |
Nov 30 2006, 06:06 AM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 149 Joined: 28-November 06 From: Westfield, Indiana Member No.: 7,272 Region Association: Upper MidWest |
That is awesome news!
Thank you!!! |
Allan |
Nov 30 2006, 08:52 AM
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Teenerless Weenie Group: Members Posts: 8,373 Joined: 5-July 04 From: Western Mesopotamia Member No.: 2,304 Region Association: Southern California |
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mrhurtalot |
Nov 30 2006, 01:05 PM
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VRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOM! Group: Members Posts: 323 Joined: 5-October 06 From: Yukon, Oklahoma Member No.: 6,996 |
strange. all i have is the master keys.
can i get valet keys made? or is that a stupid question. |
JmuRiz |
Nov 30 2006, 01:11 PM
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914 Guru Group: Members Posts: 5,424 Joined: 30-December 02 From: NoVA Member No.: 50 Region Association: MidAtlantic Region |
Good news, I have a fatter key (stock girth) and a skinny key (toothpick thin, probably from so many copies over the years) that came with my car, the fat one starts the car but doesn't unlock the doors (valet?) and the skinny one does all, but is so toothpick thin that it looks like it'll break.
Think I can use my fat key and make a new master key from it? |
HeloMech |
Nov 30 2006, 01:46 PM
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Go Ahead, Get Pistoph! Group: Members Posts: 691 Joined: 31-August 05 From: Roy, WA Member No.: 4,718 Region Association: Southern California |
Wow, really? I have a very nice valet key. The master is twisted and worn down nearly smooth on the teeth surface. I already bought both the red/black blanks but have been hesitant to have them cut. So, I can take my nice red valet key and have my other two keys cut from that?
If so, that rocks... |
Porsche Rescue |
Nov 30 2006, 04:20 PM
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Saving and Enjoying Old Porsches Group: Members Posts: 2,978 Joined: 31-December 02 From: Bend, Oregon Member No.: 64 Region Association: None |
Valet (red) key fits only doors and ignition. This is so the "valet" cannot easily get to your stash(es) in the glove box, front and rear trunk (these are '70's cars afterall).Only the black key will open those and the doors, ignition. |
jim_hoyland |
Nov 30 2006, 08:37 PM
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Get that VIN ? Group: Members Posts: 9,270 Joined: 1-May 03 From: Sunset Beach, CA Member No.: 643 Region Association: Southern California |
Valet (red) key fits only doors and ignition. This is so the "valet" cannot easily get to your stash(es) in the glove box, front and rear trunk (these are '70's cars afterall).Only the black key will open those and the doors, ignition. How does that work ? |
markb |
Nov 30 2006, 08:56 PM
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914less :( Group: Members Posts: 5,449 Joined: 22-January 03 From: Nipomo, CA Member No.: 180 Region Association: Central California |
Valet (red) key fits only doors and ignition. This is so the "valet" cannot easily get to your stash(es) in the glove box, front and rear trunk (these are '70's cars afterall).Only the black key will open those and the doors, ignition. How does that work ? The red key has a slot that the black key does not. In the glove box and trunk locks, there is a wafer that has a protrusion that keeps the wafer from moving unless it is pushed. The black key will push it, the red key, because of the extra slot, will not. I hope this makes sense. |
HeloMech |
Nov 30 2006, 08:57 PM
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Go Ahead, Get Pistoph! Group: Members Posts: 691 Joined: 31-August 05 From: Roy, WA Member No.: 4,718 Region Association: Southern California |
The red key has a slot that the black key does not. In the glove box and trunk locks, there is a wafer that has a protrusion that keeps the wafer from moving unless it is pushed. The black key will push it, the red key, because of the extra slot, will not. I hope this makes sense. So then that would confirm that I can take my red key to cut my black key. The black key would then work because of the extra slot that runs the length of the key.. er, horizontal... in a juxtaposition to the length of the key? lol. |
jim_hoyland |
Nov 30 2006, 09:01 PM
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Get that VIN ? Group: Members Posts: 9,270 Joined: 1-May 03 From: Sunset Beach, CA Member No.: 643 Region Association: Southern California |
That makes sense. One other question: my ignition key ( 1975 914 ) is a VW key and quite unlike the red or blank keys. Were the ignition switches interchangable ? I want to go back to the original set up; can I still replace the ignition switch and use the original type key ?
Thanks, Jim |
markb |
Nov 30 2006, 09:10 PM
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914less :( Group: Members Posts: 5,449 Joined: 22-January 03 From: Nipomo, CA Member No.: 180 Region Association: Central California |
Glad it makes sense to someone other than me. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
HeloMech, you are correct, making a copy to a black key will work all the locks. It has everything to do with the slots on the key. Jim, some of the VW ignition locks can be re-keyed to a Porsche key, but there are a lot of exceptions. Most of the newer replacement VW locks I have run into can't easily be taken apart to re-key. Your best bet would be to find a Porsche lock and have it re-keyd to match the doors. If your ignition key matches the other locks, then it's just a matter of getting the new blank and cutting it. I'm guessing it doesn't match the rest of the locks. Is this correct? |
jim_hoyland |
Nov 30 2006, 09:29 PM
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Get that VIN ? Group: Members Posts: 9,270 Joined: 1-May 03 From: Sunset Beach, CA Member No.: 643 Region Association: Southern California |
Here's a pic; I have two red key, one for each door and they open the trunk. The black key is for the glove box lock and doesn't match anything else. And, the VW key....
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markb |
Nov 30 2006, 10:12 PM
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914less :( Group: Members Posts: 5,449 Joined: 22-January 03 From: Nipomo, CA Member No.: 180 Region Association: Central California |
Hmmm, looks like you've got a real mish-mash. My opinion is to get a new Porsche ignition lock, and have everything else keyed to it, since most are going to need to be rekeyed anyway.
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jim_hoyland |
Nov 30 2006, 10:15 PM
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Get that VIN ? Group: Members Posts: 9,270 Joined: 1-May 03 From: Sunset Beach, CA Member No.: 643 Region Association: Southern California |
Hmmm, looks like you've got a real mish-mash. My opinion is to get a new Porsche ignition lock, and have everything else keyed to it, since most are going to need to be rekeyed anyway. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/agree.gif) Next Project...any recommendation on where to purchase ? |
markb |
Nov 30 2006, 10:22 PM
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914less :( Group: Members Posts: 5,449 Joined: 22-January 03 From: Nipomo, CA Member No.: 180 Region Association: Central California |
Any of the usual suspects. I personally use GPR the most, but that's just me.
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Doug Leggins |
Nov 30 2006, 10:23 PM
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Senior Member Group: Benefactors Posts: 1,358 Joined: 6-February 03 From: Nashville, Indiana Member No.: 261 Region Association: None |
QUOTE Am I able to use the valet key to create the master key? Yes, the cut is the same, it is the profile of the blank that is different. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/welcome.png) I agree with Ed's comment. The cut is the same, the key blank profile is what allows the valet key to function as it does. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/welcome.png) Where are you located in Indiana? |
Eric_Shea |
Dec 1 2006, 11:07 AM
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PMB Performance Group: Admin Posts: 19,274 Joined: 3-September 03 From: Salt Lake City, UT Member No.: 1,110 Region Association: Rocky Mountains |
Excellent thread. Answering questions and welcoming newbies. That's what this club is about (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smilie_pokal.gif)
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mr914 |
May 22 2015, 01:41 AM
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914 Hillbilly Group: Members Posts: 576 Joined: 11-January 03 From: Lincoln NE Member No.: 131 Region Association: None |
This is such a great thread, but it raises a question that after searching I cannot find.
So... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif) In which position (of the 5, one being all the way in the front and 5 being by the handle) is the valet wafer located? And is there a associated wafer number (size) to the vallet wafer? Just rekeying the locks on #269 |
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