i have to pull the engine, locked up Options

[rhodyguy]

new pivot bushing, clip, t.o. bearing were installed. i don't understand how any of those could contribute to the 'thunk'/no turn over situation. the engine initially spun fine. then there was the mallory debacle. fixed that. spark, fuel, air. the engine was trying to start...THUNK. end of go, beginning of 'why'.

k

[Root_Werks]

i don't know anyone with a loose, known good starter clayton. even w/a defective starter, i don't understand how it could cause the engine to not rotate, when the starter is not energized. dave hunt heard the engine do it's 'thunk'. a conundrum. thanks for the input everybody. the engine drop was sure fast and easy. practice, practice, practice... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

k

Kevin, if you bring those rims up, I'll let you borrow a NEW high torque starter. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

[rhodyguy]

i'll push the 914 to marysville and we'll stick it in. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) if you go to the post office, get one of the free priority mail flat rate boxes and mail the starter to me, i'll pay for postage both ways and give you one of the wheels for nothing. with the price of fuel, time and the stupid traffic. it would be cheaper in the long run. where did you buy the starter and how much was it?

k

[So.Cal.914]

i don't know anyone with a loose, known good starter clayton. even w/a defective starter, i don't understand how it could cause the engine to not rotate, when the starter is not energized. dave hunt heard the engine do it's 'thunk'. a conundrum. thanks for the input everybody. the engine drop was sure fast and easy. practice, practice, practice... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

k

When the solenoid kicks out, if the gear does not mesh right with the ring gear or

if the solenoid is goofed up it can stick in the outward position and put the engine in a bind.

But I am not going to ask you if you TESTED the starter again. (did you?)

[echocanyons]

But I am not going to ask you if you TESTED the starter again. (did you?)

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Test the starter while out of the car.

Other things that can make the starter not turn are low or partially discharged battery and ground issues.

Once you rule out the starter and the battery you can assume it is your engine or flywheel.

(I know that still doesn't explain not being able to turn the wheels, but this leads me to believe that it isn't your starter too.)

[rhodyguy]

i took this before the old engine pull. i'll have to try the battry charger to energize the starter. red charger lead to the to the spade term for the yellow wire and the black chargr wire to nut with the wire that secures the wire that goes to the starter body. all it does is hum. are these the correct test points for the starter out of the car?

weird. the old setup workd just fine when i put the car away for its winters sleep. how the starter could go bad just sitting is beyond me. but then, quite a few things are.

k

[Bartlett 914]

i took this before the old engine pull. i'll have to try the battry charger to energize the starter. red charger lead to the to the spade term for the yellow wire and the black chargr wire to nut with the wire that secures the wire that goes to the starter body. all it does is hum. are these the correct test points for the starter out of the car?

weird. the old setup workd just fine when i put the car away for its winters sleep. how the starter could go bad just sitting is beyond me. but then, quite a few things are.

k

I would put the black wire from the charger to the frame where it bolts in. Put the red wire on the big red wire. Short from the yellow to the red to energize the starter. Not sure about the charger being big enough. Jumper cables from a good battery is a better power source.

[rhodyguy]

got off the phone w/dan root. he's going to mail me a NEW starter (high torque) for test purposes when the engine goes back in.

k

[Ferg]

Cool! I hope you figure this out.

Don't let that High Torque starter scare you first time, they make quite a unique high pitch noise. And since you are already listening for odd noises, you can rule that one out...

Ferg

[rhodyguy]

i've heard dave hunt's h.t. starter in action. as long as it has the 'sound' other than the "clunk", i figure i'll be on the path to being a happier 914 owner. if there is such a thing. nice picture mike.

k

[TheCabinetmaker]

use the jumper cable method to test everything with motor on the floor just to make sure before you reinstall it.

[TravisNeff]

I just did a bench test on mine, hook the positive charger cable to the lead with the big red wire, hook the ground to the bolt hole for the mount - then short with a screwdriver, the positive lead (big red wire) to the yellow lead (switched lead).

[Twystd1]

The problem probably isn't the starter section of the starter. it is probably the solenoid section that sits atop the starter.

Me thinks the gears are getting stuck together when you first hit the starter.

I bet ya if you bolt up the starter right now. And give it NO JUICE. (12VDC) the engine will turn fine. But as soon as you hit the starter once with juice. The gears are getting stuck together. And the engine binds.

Please understand that I am just guessing here. But thats what it looks like to me.

clayton

[Gint]

As long as nothing smashes your face in Kevin, I figure you're ahead of the game. Hang in there. I'm sure you'll get it worked out. And how satisfying will it be when you you do eh? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/beerchug.gif)

[Aaron Cox]

your local FLAPS will test the starter for you..... FREE

[Twystd1]

The Flaps idea is a good one.

There is one problem with it though.

The Flaps test won't really tell you everything you need to know. As the starter and seloniod isn't under the EXACT same load as when it's in your car with your gear issue. With that exception. it's a good test.

Hell you can hit your starter with jumper cables and your battery and see how it works without a load. (put your foot on it. it likes to rotate)

If'n you didn't have your tranny out already. I would suggest taking your solenoid apart. Cleaning the hell out of it. Lightly lubricate it and throw it back in. Just to see if the gear stick issue would be fixed.

My notion of the gears sticking because of a sticky solenoid is just a guess.
Could also be the starter not having enough umph to spin the motor. That will stick the gears as well. (uneven loading of gear mesh)

Either way... the high torque starter you are borrowing will tell you all that you need to know... (hopefully)

If all else fails.

Hit it with a big hammer...... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/aktion035.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/chair.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/WTF.gif)

Claytonious East of Java.

[Root_Werks]

got off the phone w/dan root. he's going to mail me a NEW starter (high torque) for test purposes when the engine goes back in.

k

It's on its way as of early this morning. A starter barely fits into the largest flat rate box they have. $8 to ship, cheaper than gas down and back for sure. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

[LS6/914]

Crap, Ive been on the train too long again. K, I have a spare high torque, also load tester for the starter. Larry (need a locomotive belching brake smoke smiley)

[Root_Werks]

Kevin, let me know if you got the starter yet. Interested to see if that did the trick or not.

[sixnotfour]

Dan he is over here;
http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?s=&...st&p=899998