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> 914 Rear Fog Lamp Installation with details & Photo's, Only winning cars have them, BLing, Bling.
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post Nov 9 2007, 11:22 AM
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Eric, on the bracket I'm not in a great hurry, so I can wait for you to make some more that you are happy with.

Jeff, since my light is body grounded to the chassis, and therefor does not require the ground lead, I could get by with a 233" (20 foot) length of white/green-stripe wire on which I can put my own connectors and sleeve with heat shrink if I so choose.
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post Nov 9 2007, 08:22 PM
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QUOTE(Eric_Shea @ Nov 9 2007, 06:58 AM) *

Sorry, I've been away from this.

Dave, I have one extra bracket done. Not extremely happy with the angle right now but it's workable. I wouldn't mind having the original to fab off. If Tom's still OK with that then I would take orders off that concept. It's basically shaping up like this:

Light - Available from Porsche
Outer Bracket - Eric to fab
Inner Bracket - Available from Porsche
Harness - Jeff to fab

Jeff, the mounting bolts are your standard 6M variety.

Both of my light bases are the earlier pre-tinned wire types that Tom shows. One actually is the one Tom shows and the other is identical to Dave's new base but with a post and set screw standing where the rivet is attaching the spade in his picture. It seems fairly clear that the early lights have posts with set screws and the modern versions are spades. This makes an off the shelf harness solution difficult.


Hi Eric,

The offer is still open to send my outside bracket as a pattern. Just say the word & I'll send it to so you can get a better duplicate made. Let me know in the next few days, because I am goin on a (2) week vacation and will not be back till late this month.

Tom
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post Nov 9 2007, 08:52 PM
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post Nov 9 2007, 09:17 PM
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I'll get it out Monday by Priority Mail.

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post Nov 10 2007, 11:19 AM
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So I understand there were two different housings, with two different connection arrangements. I only have the one harness which has two wires in it.

Dave, I can certainly just send you some of the single white/green stripe wire when I get it if that what you want, but it would not look stock.

I think the best answer is to make the harness with both wires and let each person put whatever end terminal on it they need. The wire with a terminal on it would not fit through the hollow housing mount anyway, the terminal must have been installed later.

I need help figuring out where to connect the switch end, it seems like it should attach the the foglight switch which has 3 male tabs on it. The harness has a MALE 1/4" wire terminal and will not attach. Maybe it goes to a piggyback connector on the fuseblock for the foglights?

Then I am ready to start production...
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post Nov 10 2007, 12:01 PM
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Then I am ready to start production...


Me too. At this point, I think it would be best for those who want the outer mount to sign up. This way I can get it off to the metal fabricators with a quantity as soon as it arrives. This means we can get it back to our generous sponsor ASAP. I currently have:

1 Dave Pateman
1 Eric Shea

If anyone else is still in the hunt, let me know.
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post Nov 10 2007, 12:05 PM
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Scirocco II is very guilty of this- dremel out the US black plastic & plop the bulb in- instant "Euro".


Did that very thing with my '82 Scirocco. But, that was 1982.


I just caught this while reading back through the thread.

"Pat defaced a vintage 82 Scirocco with a Dremel???" (IMG:style_emoticons/default/ohmy.gif)

WHAT WAS HE THINKING!?!?!

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post Nov 11 2007, 01:20 AM
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Eric,

I too would like one of the outer fog light mount pieces. Please add me to your list.

Thanks,
Bill Vogt
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post Nov 11 2007, 09:15 AM
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QUOTE(Jeff Bowlsby @ Nov 10 2007, 09:19 AM) *

I need help figuring out where to connect the switch end, it seems like it should attach the the foglight switch which has 3 male tabs on it. The harness has a MALE 1/4" wire terminal and will not attach. Maybe it goes to a piggyback connector on the fuseblock for the foglights?

The wiring diagram for fog lights shows a white/green wire attached to post 87 of the switch. This would be for existing front fog lights. So I would say that the rear harness should be a piggyback to double-mount the two wires on a single post.
Perhaps a European manual might explain the rear fog connections better.
For my own use, a ground wire is useless since there is no way to connect it to the light. It would just make adding the harness to the existing wiring that much more difficult.
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post Nov 11 2007, 10:23 AM
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Both fog light housing styles only have one pole to the lightbulb Dave. They both ground to the chassis, but then there is a dedicated brown wire ground from a mounting bolt to the ground point under the regulator plate for a better ground, becasue those mounting bolts would only ground through paint on the chassis.
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post Nov 12 2007, 08:47 AM
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Good point. Then what about a ring connector to go under a nut on the inside support plate. That is an M6 nut. The ground wire could be several inches shorter as a result.
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post Nov 12 2007, 09:40 AM
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what about a ring connector to go under a nut on the inside support plate. That is an M6 nut.


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post Nov 12 2007, 09:42 AM
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We have an originally installed one here on the board. Jim's green 914-6. Maybe he could shed some light.
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post Nov 12 2007, 12:41 PM
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QUOTE(Thomas J Bliznik @ Nov 9 2007, 07:17 PM) *

QUOTE(Eric_Shea @ Nov 9 2007, 06:52 PM) *

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I'll get it out Monday by Priority Mail.

T


Eric,

Opps, Post office is closed for Veterans Day. It goes out tomorrow A.M.

T
BTW Everyone: I am outa here for a (2) weeks vacation in FL with family. No one will hear from me till later this month.(IMG:style_emoticons/default/bye1.gif)

Everyone have a great Thanksgiving.
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post Nov 12 2007, 08:17 PM
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QUOTE(Eric_Shea @ Nov 10 2007, 01:05 PM) *

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Scirocco II is very guilty of this- dremel out the US black plastic & plop the bulb in- instant "Euro".


Did that very thing with my '82 Scirocco. But, that was 1982.


I just caught this while reading back through the thread.

"Pat defaced a vintage 82 Scirocco with a Dremel???" (IMG:style_emoticons/default/ohmy.gif)

WHAT WAS HE THINKING!?!?!

(IMG:style_emoticons/default/av-943.gif)

It was 25 years ago! I'm on parole to this day about it! Though, I am thinking about converting my Sable's headlights to Xenon. I just want to burn the retinas out of the fricking BMW drivers for a change.

Whaddaya think? Can it be done?

Sorry to hijack.

Pat
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post Nov 13 2007, 04:36 PM
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Below is the photo of the end of the harness to the lamp.

A ring terminal on the ground is exactly my thought, attached to the M6 bolt inside the trunk.

The white/green wire is actually pre-tinned for mounting to a single bus bar hole with a screw down like on the one style of foglight housings...Dave, you could just mount a female spade connector to the wire after feeding it through the foglight housing.

Does it look like there is adequate length on the shorter section of casing around the white/green wire to make it all the way through the tailpanel grommet, into the foglight housing?

I have had no luck finding anything on the facotry wiring diagrams about where to attach the harness to switched power. Someone suggested that the harness mount with a double-ended female connector or a piggyback to the foglight switch which seemed reasonable. Does that sound ok to everyone?


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post Nov 13 2007, 08:37 PM
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I estimate at least 3" of white wire to go through the wall, up the tube and terminate on the spade. That would be tight, leaving no working room.
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post Nov 14 2007, 12:37 AM
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Does it look like there is adequate length on the shorter section of casing around the white/green wire to make it all the way through the tailpanel grommet, into the foglight housing?


The white/green wire exits the body panel and immediately goes through the center of the mounting shaft of the light. When mounted to the car, the end of that shaft almost touches the body and, with a grommet on the body (which Jim says is stock) it would literally "touch" the grommet/body.

Answer: Yes, that casing would be adequate as it would pass through the body and immediately enter the hollow mounting shaft of the light. It (the casing) would probably terminate in the shaft leaving just the white wire to enter the light housing. Seems perfect.
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Hi guys,

I 've been away for 2-weeks & wondering what's going on with this wiring issue??

Put me on the list if a wiring harness becomes available. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/pray.gif)

Tom
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post Dec 8 2007, 10:28 AM
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Metal shop called yesterday. 3 rear brackets are done.
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