 OT: Caution - RANT, Is there no end to bureaucratic stupidity? |
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| Mugs914 |
  Aug 22 2007, 08:22 PM
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"Hey, yellow IS faster!"  Group: Members Posts: 618 Joined: 22-July 05 From: Temple TEXAS Member No.: 4,452 Region Association: Southwest Region  |
As a few of you know, I'm in the process of opening a shop in north San Diego county. Today I spent a particularly tedious day chasing forms, numbers, more forms to get more numbers that are needed to go on the forms to get the numbers I needed in the first place. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sad.gif) Of course none of the forms or numbers are the right ones when you present them to the people that asked for them in the first place. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif) And of course none of them seem to know where to get the right forms or numbers, (IMG:style_emoticons/default/blink.gif) or if my particular business actually needs those particular forms and/or numbers, (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wacko.gif) just that they need those forms and numbers to process their particular form.... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/headbang.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/headbang.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/headbang.gif)
(IMG:style_emoticons/default/ar15.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/ar15.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/ar15.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/fighting19.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/fighting19.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/fighting19.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/boom.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/boom.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/boom.gif) I'm confident that persistence and the right size ball bat will eventually get all this crap taken care of at some point. Don't worry, when the grand opening happens it will be announced here first! By then all this garbage will be forgotten and it'll be (IMG:style_emoticons/default/beerchug.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/beerchug.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/monkeydance.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/monkeydance.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/monkeydance.gif) ! Well, until Monday anyway... End of rant... |
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| Eric_Shea |
Aug 22 2007, 08:26 PM
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PMB Performance Group: Admin Posts: 19,275 Joined: 3-September 03 From: Salt Lake City, UT Member No.: 1,110 Region Association: Rocky Mountains  |
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You've been banned for posting a rant in the wrong forum without the right permissions. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) |
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| jim_hoyland |
Aug 22 2007, 08:29 PM
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Get that VIN ? Group: Members Posts: 9,287 Joined: 1-May 03 From: Sunset Beach, CA Member No.: 643 Region Association: Southern California 
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Sorry to hear: but, good to hear somebody starting up a business. How about some info: What, where, when ? Are you gonna have a grand opening ? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
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| Twystd1 |
Aug 22 2007, 09:06 PM
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You don't want to know... really..... Group: Members Posts: 2,514 Joined: 12-September 04 From: Newport Beach, California Member No.: 2,743 |
Any cute chicks gunna work for ya....?????????????????????????????????????
Cause I need a good reason to drop by and support you to win.... Da Twystd1 |
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| bondo |
Aug 22 2007, 09:12 PM
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Practicing my perpendicular parking Group: Members Posts: 4,277 Joined: 19-April 03 From: Los Osos, CA Member No.: 587 Region Association: Central California |
Too bad about the bureaucratic nonsense. Julie is still going through red tape crap relating to getting her teaching credential. Glad to hear you're starting up a business... I'd like to do that someday. Are you hiring? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
Julie and I are going to move to northern SD (escondido or vista) as soon as our house sells... and I don't yet have employment lined up. |
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| Zundfolge |
Aug 22 2007, 10:28 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 847 Joined: 12-August 07 From: Colorado Springs Member No.: 7,994 Region Association: Rocky Mountains |
"Bureaucracy is the epoxy that greases the wheels of progress."
-Jim Boren |
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| Mugs914 |
Aug 22 2007, 10:32 PM
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"Hey, yellow IS faster!" Group: Members Posts: 618 Joined: 22-July 05 From: Temple TEXAS Member No.: 4,452 Region Association: Southwest Region |
QUOTE(jim_hoyland @ Aug 22 2007, 07:29 PM)  How about some info: What, where, when ? Are you gonna have a grand opening ? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) Well, I'm actually buying a small sports car/race shop in Vista CA. The owner opened about 15 years ago working mostly on Alfa Romeos, but of course things will take more of a Porsche leaning with me. I hope to be up and running next week (providing the bureaucrats can be appeased). I have a few cars waiting for the doors to open, so I want them open NOW.... Will I have a grand opening? C'mon now! OF COURSE!!! Probably in a month or so after I get things settled a bit. My wife and I are still planning the party, but we're thinking meet at the shop in the morning, a nice run up into the twisties around here, then back for food, drink, music and general hanging out at the shop. Of course when the date is set for the grand O you guys will be the first to know. |
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| Mugs914 |
Aug 22 2007, 10:36 PM
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"Hey, yellow IS faster!" Group: Members Posts: 618 Joined: 22-July 05 From: Temple TEXAS Member No.: 4,452 Region Association: Southwest Region |
QUOTE(Twystd1 @ Aug 22 2007, 08:06 PM) Any cute chicks gunna work for ya....????????????????????????????????????? Cause I need a good reason to drop by and support you to win.... Da Twystd1 Clayton, if thats all it takes to get you to visit I'll be sure to have a couple on hand! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/thumb3d.gif) |
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| Mugs914 |
Aug 22 2007, 10:40 PM
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"Hey, yellow IS faster!" Group: Members Posts: 618 Joined: 22-July 05 From: Temple TEXAS Member No.: 4,452 Region Association: Southwest Region |
QUOTE(bondo @ Aug 22 2007, 08:12 PM) Too bad about the bureaucratic nonsense. Julie is still going through red tape crap relating to getting her teaching credential. Glad to hear you're starting up a business... I'd like to do that someday. Are you hiring? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) Julie and I are going to move to northern SD (escondido or vista) as soon as our house sells... and I don't yet have employment lined up. Not hiring right away, but I will be before too long. You never know... I would recommend Vista over Esondido myself. Esco is just far enough inland to be too bloody hot for me! I've lived in Vista for over 30 years and we're not planning on moving any time soon... |
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| Mugs914 |
Aug 23 2007, 12:26 AM
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"Hey, yellow IS faster!" Group: Members Posts: 618 Joined: 22-July 05 From: Temple TEXAS Member No.: 4,452 Region Association: Southwest Region |
QUOTE(Eric_Shea @ Aug 22 2007, 07:26 PM) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/banned.gif) You've been banned for posting a rant in the wrong forum without the right permissions. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) LOL!! What form do I need to file a rant? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/confused24.gif) Thanks for the chuckle, I needed it today! |
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| So.Cal.914 |
Aug 23 2007, 08:53 AM
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"...And it has a front trunk too." Group: Members Posts: 6,588 Joined: 15-February 04 From: Low Desert, CA./ Hills of N.J. Member No.: 1,658 Region Association: None |
Good luck on your new business, Vista is nice, I lived in leucadia for a few years.
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| neo914-6 |
Aug 23 2007, 09:36 AM
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neo life Group: Members Posts: 5,086 Joined: 16-January 03 From: Willow Glen (San Jose) Member No.: 159 |
Mike,
I was once getting the run around about a setback approval between the city planning dept and the building dept whom don't seem to talk to each other. I used the "they will approve the plans if you will approve them" approach and it worked! I'm sure you'll get by, unfortunately I believe these red tape roadblocks are their job security... |
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| Eric_Shea |
Aug 23 2007, 09:38 AM
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PMB Performance Group: Admin Posts: 19,275 Joined: 3-September 03 From: Salt Lake City, UT Member No.: 1,110 Region Association: Rocky Mountains |
QUOTE What form do I need to file a rant? I'm not sure... Start with form IPB36910-2-3-456 and then get in that line over there... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/alfred.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/lol3.gif) |
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| 73Phoenix20 |
Aug 23 2007, 09:52 AM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 334 Joined: 15-June 05 From: Michiana Member No.: 4,283 |
Congrats on taking over a Sports Car oriented business, and pointing it toward us Porschephiles!!!
We are thinking of buying a part time retirement home in SD... any decent properties in or near Vista, that you can see water from, for less than a Million??? I'm tired of fighting hurricanes down in the Keys! |
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| Chuck |
Aug 23 2007, 10:42 AM
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What it eventually will look like . . . . Group: Members Posts: 355 Joined: 29-March 07 From: Maple Grove, MN Member No.: 7,632 Region Association: Northstar Region |
Mugs914,
I feel your pain. A good portion of what I do for a living is helping people start small businesses. Because I do it all the time, I've learned to bypass a good deal of the bureaucracy and how to work it when you have issues. But, I do it all the time and still have issues occasionally. I can see how it can be frustrating for someone who doesn't do it all the time to manage. If you have any questions I might be able to help with, feel free to shoot me a PM. Chuck |
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| jd74914 |
Aug 23 2007, 04:51 PM
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Its alive Group: Members Posts: 4,780 Joined: 16-February 04 From: CT Member No.: 1,659 Region Association: North East States |
QUOTE(Eric_Shea @ Aug 23 2007, 11:38 AM) QUOTE What form do I need to file a rant? I'm not sure... Start with form IPB36910-2-3-456 and then get in that line over there... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/alfred.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/lol3.gif) You mean that other line right . . . (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) |
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| Twise |
Aug 23 2007, 05:08 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 475 Joined: 20-September 06 From: SoCal - Temecula Member No.: 6,881 Region Association: Southern California |
European Auto Body here in Esco - Be sure to drop off some business cards. See you at the Grand Opening, and best of luck to you...
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| byndbad914 |
Aug 23 2007, 05:24 PM
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shoehorn and some butter - it fits Group: Members Posts: 1,547 Joined: 23-January 06 From: Broomfield, CO Member No.: 5,463 Region Association: None |
working with the city sucks major ass - had my own biz for awhile and went thru tons of paper crap myself. I swear it was all created so someone had a reason to get their whole family hired in. I think their primary requirement is that all applicants must have no more than an 8th grade education.
If it helps, my good friend had plans approved to do a "remodel" of his house, tore it down to just a little bit of the living room, then after digging a new foundation the inspector realized it wasn't done correctly. Turns out the plans were slightly off - he has been living in his GARAGE for just over a year now and every couple months he gets plans revved, takes it back to the city and they find two more things they don't like and kick them out. It has been so long his 1yr permit ran out (IMG:style_emoticons/default/blink.gif) Mind you this is for plans they approved (which took almost a year at that time) and he waited until he had "certain" approval before demo. Absolute disaster at this point and he is stressed because it is technically illegal to live in your garage. Ugh, F'in city gov'ts. |
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| So.Cal.914 |
Aug 24 2007, 08:30 AM
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"...And it has a front trunk too." Group: Members Posts: 6,588 Joined: 15-February 04 From: Low Desert, CA./ Hills of N.J. Member No.: 1,658 Region Association: None |
QUOTE(byndbad914 @ Aug 23 2007, 04:24 PM) working with the city sucks major ass - had my own biz for awhile and went thru tons of paper crap myself. I swear it was all created so someone had a reason to get their whole family hired in. I think their primary requirement is that all applicants must have no more than an 8th grade education. If it helps, my good friend had plans approved to do a "remodel" of his house, tore it down to just a little bit of the living room, then after digging a new foundation the inspector realized it wasn't done correctly. Turns out the plans were slightly off - he has been living in his GARAGE for just over a year now and every couple months he gets plans revved, takes it back to the city and they find two more things they don't like and kick them out. It has been so long his 1yr permit ran out (IMG:style_emoticons/default/blink.gif) Mind you this is for plans they approved (which took almost a year at that time) and he waited until he had "certain" approval before demo. Absolute disaster at this point and he is stressed because it is technically illegal to live in your garage. Ugh, F'in city gov'ts. I worked in property development for many years, I could be wrong but it sounds like your friend pissed them off. I've seen it before. He needs to meet with the man in charge at the building dept. and be humble. Ask him what 'He' needs to see this permit thru. It has worked for me. |
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| byndbad914 |
Aug 25 2007, 11:41 PM
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shoehorn and some butter - it fits Group: Members Posts: 1,547 Joined: 23-January 06 From: Broomfield, CO Member No.: 5,463 Region Association: None |
QUOTE(So.Cal.914 @ Aug 24 2007, 06:30 AM) I worked in property development for many years, I could be wrong but it sounds like your friend pissed them off. I've seen it before. He needs to meet with the man in charge at the building dept. and be humble. Ask him what 'He' needs to see this permit thru. It has worked for me. hmm, yeah he is a pretty cool headed dude so I don't think he would have ticked them off. His WIFE on the other hand (IMG:style_emoticons/default/dry.gif) she may have lipped off a time or two for all I know. He went down a couple months ago, then wrote a letter and basically ended up having a special person finally assigned to make sure the plans get checked once, changes noted and that should be it. The permit wasn't the issue originally, it was that somehow the way the foundation was layed out is different for a couple types of construction (I, as you can tell, know wholelottanuthin 'bout this stuff) and apparently the plans had one type of construction and the other type of foundation, and it was cleared, permit granted, etc. He hacks the house down, digs for the new foundation and an inspector swung by and realized it was wrong. Been a year and really he went back to the architect and had it redone with the right foundation, then they started nit-picking crap that has nothing to do with it and every time he goes back they decide there is a couple more things they don't like. All that stuff was fine a year ago, and apparently the foundation update was fine too. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/ar15.gif) |
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