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> Bringing out the dead
Jeff Hail
post Oct 1 2007, 11:35 PM
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Bringing Out The Dead.....or how to restore a rusty 914 and convert it to a street/track car when I have time after dealing with everyone elses stuff.

My background is collision and restoration (day job) of high end automobiles for 28 years in addition to race fabrication. I jumped the fence and left that industry to pursue pretty much the same thing except on the paperwork end which is really boring and thankless. (another day job)

I look at rust like a diamond in the rough. Rust is afraid of me because it know's it cannot live in my world. Metal becomes submissive because I have confidence in my metal working talents. I will add to this post as work progress's.

I hope my years of experience can help others as I add. I believe there is a right way to repair a car and wrong way. I metal finish because in the end its cleaner, lighter and stronger. I was taught old school techniques with new school technology. A great combination. I also believe in doing a job once correctly using the highest quality materials and proper tools. Many ways to skin a cat I say. If you hold it by the tail it can still bite!

Good advice to follow:
Take measurements of the door openings and targa bar to windshield header. Cross measure then do it again to confirm. Recheck your measurements against the factory figures. Make a couple of adjustable braces for each side that attach from the upper seat belt anchors to the door hinges. I recommend cross braces also right to left. These can be made from rod or tube and turnbuckles for cheap. Racer Chris has some really nice ones with rod ends. Support the car from below equally on both sides of the undercarriage and front and rear. I do not believe jack stands can hold the proper tolerances at 4 points. It takes a minimum of 6 and preferably 8. These are all easy to do and are essential to a square and level chassis. Not everyone can afford a Cellete bench or hourly frame time at a shop for these type of do it yourself repairs. Impovisation can be done correctly and for a lot less money. Make sure your floor or platform is level.

Keep in mind that tolerances for the 914 were 7-9mm from the factory so anything you can do to make it better is worth it. 7mm by today’s standards is huge. 9mm is a Grand Canyon. Anything you can do to tighten the tolerances will provide a better end product. Exterior panels were fit with the adjust and weld method and are only a skin.

My 914 had measurements all over the place on the front end and the rust issues were all in the rear that needed correction. Car was never in any collisions.
90% of the measurements were factory assembly tolerances. Porsche's aint perfect.

I made my own dedicated bench for 911's and 914's. By some stroke of luck I ended up with a 1 mm variance in height (datum) and 2mm in length and width is zero with my own fixtures. This has been substantiated with endless anal cross measuring and factory manuals. I used a steel front suspension cross member as a front body holding fixture. I went through 4 before I found an acceptable one. The first 3 were so far off factory tolerances (4-6 mm out of square) I rejected them before I found a good one.

My bench is not for pulling. It was designed for assembly and replacement of structural parts. It will support 3,000 pounds. $350 worth of steel and another $175 in industrial castors was worth it considering its use. A stripped 914 shell is a feather and easy to roll around. When you cut and replace structural parts recheck your measurements. Control points change when you remove, replace and weld in new parts. They are easily controlled with patience.

If it does not come out perfect do not lose sleep. Remember tolerance and variance was not perfect from the factory. If you have a control point locating hole that is 14 mm a dowel or pin of 9-10mm was used during birth. That is why suspension systems are adjustable for variance and wear. You will also find center indexing points on the front and rear of the body. Easy tools to use are plumb lines, tape measures and levels if you do not have access to high end measuring equipment. You can locate and make symmetrical measurements throughout repairs. If you have one side that is undamaged or not rusted use that side as a starting point for measurements. Use panel gaps as a visual indicator during repairs and welding.

3 important factors- height, length and width. If you are me then there are 4 (Z axis) and that one will make you lose sleep!

Some pics of the beggining: A back east 914 comes to California.


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Jeff Hail   Bringing out the dead   Oct 1 2007, 11:35 PM
Jeff Hail   Didn't get much done today. Fit the Tarett En...   Jun 13 2008, 12:55 AM
Jeff Hail   After the reinforcements were welded in I used som...   Jun 13 2008, 01:00 AM
Jeff Hail   While waiting for glue to cure I played with some ...   Jun 13 2008, 01:19 AM
Jeff Hail   Final prep of the reinforcements, one last mockup ...   Jun 14 2008, 09:54 PM
Racer Chris   Heidi's been following me around all day with ...   Jun 17 2008, 06:40 PM
Jeff Hail   Heidi's been following me around all day with...   Jun 17 2008, 08:08 PM
Eric_Shea   Happy Belated Birthday Lil'Feller! :beer1:   Jun 17 2008, 08:40 PM
oh no, not again!   Hey Jeff- Seems my new "alter-ego avatar...   Jun 17 2008, 09:19 PM
Jeff Hail   Hey Jeff- Seems my new "alter-ego avatar...   Jun 17 2008, 11:15 PM
oh no, not again!   Hey Jeff- Seems my new "alter-ego avatar...   Jun 18 2008, 09:50 AM
Racer Chris   heh, heh, heh.....we need a new emoticon, one cra...   Jun 18 2008, 11:15 AM
Eric_Shea   grrrrrrrowl :o   Jun 17 2008, 10:42 PM
Jeff Hail   Well lets see ..................what else could go...   Jun 28 2008, 01:10 AM
Racer Chris   Well lets see ..................what else could g...   Jul 1 2008, 10:19 AM
KELTY360   I look at rust like a diamond in the rough. Rust...   Jun 28 2008, 01:25 AM
Jeff Hail   I look at rust like a diamond in the rough. Rus...   Jun 28 2008, 02:46 AM
Jeff Hail   Let the insanity begin......... Fender molds comp...   Jul 13 2008, 10:59 PM
Jeff Hail   Products used for the lay ups and coatings. 60 min...   Jul 13 2008, 11:17 PM
Jeff Hail   By the way Eric glad to see your daughter was ok a...   Jul 14 2008, 12:03 AM
Eric_Shea   Thanks Jeff, Love those newfangled Carerrraa cali...   Jul 14 2008, 12:14 AM
Jeff Hail   Thanks Jeff, Love those newfangled Carerrraa cal...   Jul 14 2008, 12:30 AM
Jeff Hail   Busy week. Didn't have any time to get out int...   Jul 21 2008, 12:01 AM
Jeff Hail   Dzus fasteners and mounting plates. I will most li...   Jul 21 2008, 12:02 AM
Eric_Shea   Looks slick Amigo. Sure wish you had made an extr...   Jul 21 2008, 07:34 AM
Todd Enlund   Man, that is one lucky 914 :D   Jul 21 2008, 01:40 PM
Jeff Hail   Projects, projects........always a monkey wrench t...   Aug 8 2008, 12:54 AM
Wes V   Jeff; Couldn't ARP have done it with studs an...   Aug 8 2008, 10:53 AM
Jeff Hail   Jeff; Couldn't ARP have done it with studs a...   Aug 8 2008, 01:18 PM
Eric_Shea   So... ARP makes the fasteners. Red Green supplied...   Aug 8 2008, 06:26 PM
Jeff Hail   So... ARP makes the fasteners. Red Green supplie...   Aug 8 2008, 07:49 PM
Jeff Hail   Haven't worked on the tub in a few weeks. Now ...   Aug 8 2008, 07:55 PM
KELTY360   Haven't worked on the tub in a few weeks. Now...   Aug 9 2008, 08:58 PM
Jeff Hail   Haven't worked on the tub in a few weeks. No...   Aug 9 2008, 10:15 PM
Eric_Shea   No, they worked fine for me. I was asking why t...   Aug 8 2008, 08:23 PM
Jeff Hail   No, they worked fine for me. I was asking why ...   Aug 8 2008, 10:04 PM
Jeff Hail   Back to the regular program......... Stripped the...   Aug 9 2008, 08:46 PM
Jeff Hail   Easy day   Aug 9 2008, 08:47 PM
plymouth37   My god those fenders are fricken amazing! How ...   Aug 9 2008, 09:48 PM
Jeff Hail   My god those fenders are fricken amazing! How...   Aug 9 2008, 10:53 PM
Jeff Hail   Fitting the front structure. Just tacked so I can ...   Aug 20 2008, 09:11 AM
Eric_Shea   Looking great Jeff. Is a GT shroud going to fit i...   Aug 20 2008, 09:25 AM
Jeff Hail   Looking great Jeff. Is a GT shroud going to fit ...   Aug 20 2008, 10:02 AM
Jeff Hail   Have not had much time to play. Day job busy. Help...   Aug 30 2008, 08:02 PM
Jeff Hail   Finished up the front structure. It is still only...   Aug 30 2008, 08:05 PM
Racer Chris   Looks good Jeff! Eric, a gt cooler shroud wou...   Aug 31 2008, 05:45 AM
Rocket Man   Jeff, Awesome work and great thread… :trophy: ...   Sep 5 2008, 08:20 PM
Eric_Shea   That's what I was thinking. There might be ...   Sep 5 2008, 08:58 PM
Jeff Hail   :WTF:   Sep 12 2008, 02:44 PM
r_towle   What did Jeff do this week??? Inquiring minds want...   Sep 12 2008, 02:49 PM
Jeff Hail   What did Jeff do this week??? Inquiring minds wan...   Sep 13 2008, 09:00 PM
Jeff Hail   Bits and pieces done today. Repaired and sectione...   Sep 13 2008, 09:03 PM
Jeff Hail   Lower left front wheelhouse. Not bad. Little piece...   Sep 13 2008, 09:05 PM
Jeff Hail   Front left floor is not as bad as I first thought....   Sep 13 2008, 09:17 PM
Jeff Hail   One thing I did notice is two cracks in the sheetm...   Sep 13 2008, 09:38 PM
Jeff Hail   Cut and trimmed the front floor footwell. Media bl...   Sep 18 2008, 12:57 AM
Jeff Hail   The second piece to the left of that took some ...   Sep 18 2008, 12:59 AM
Jeff Hail   Cut the template   Sep 18 2008, 01:01 AM
Jeff Hail   Piece #1 clamped and ready for fire.   Sep 18 2008, 01:02 AM
Jeff Hail   Piece #2   Sep 18 2008, 01:04 AM
Jeff Hail   Ran out of daylite. Piece #2 will be burned on Thu...   Sep 18 2008, 01:07 AM
Jeff Hail   OBJECTS MAY APPEAR CLOSER THAN THEY APPEAR Nice 9...   Sep 19 2008, 06:02 PM
Jeff Hail   Not bad...   Sep 23 2008, 09:26 PM
Twystd1   Jeff. You gunna be at your house next weekend? A...   Sep 23 2008, 10:35 PM
Jeff Hail   Jeff. You gunna be at your house next weekend? ...   Sep 24 2008, 12:59 AM
Jeff Hail   This evenings fabrication. pedal board support to...   Sep 30 2008, 09:55 PM
Twystd1   Hi Jeff. I was just looking at the ground control...   Sep 30 2008, 10:39 PM
Jeff Hail   Hi Jeff. I was just looking at the ground contro...   Oct 1 2008, 12:34 AM
tronporsche   Jeff, what size Or weight springs are those please...   Oct 1 2008, 12:40 AM
gs11x   Hi Jeff, Can you share how you are doing your medi...   Oct 11 2008, 06:17 PM
Jeff Hail   Hi Jeff, Can you share how you are doing your med...   Oct 11 2008, 09:10 PM
Wilhelm   Hi Jeff, Can you share how you are doing your med...   Oct 12 2008, 09:19 AM
Jeff Hail   Edited. Non auto stuff removed.   Oct 11 2008, 07:17 PM
Jeff Hail   Edited. Non auto stuff removed.   Oct 11 2008, 07:19 PM
Jeff Hail   Edited. Non auto stuff removed.   Oct 11 2008, 07:20 PM
Jeff Hail   Edited. Non auto stuff removed.   Oct 11 2008, 07:21 PM
Jeff Hail   edited. Non auto stuff removed.   Oct 11 2008, 07:25 PM
Jeff Hail   We appologize for the interuption. We will return ...   Nov 30 2008, 07:10 PM
Jeff Hail   Chris, Really I have been working on the car. Ho H...   Dec 20 2008, 01:51 AM
Racer Chris   Chris, Really I have been working on the car. Ho ...   Dec 20 2008, 06:22 PM
Jeff Hail   Its been 28 degree's at night and raining/ sno...   Dec 20 2008, 02:06 AM
Jeff Hail   A few posts ago (many- somewhere on the site). I p...   Jan 1 2009, 02:59 AM
Jeff Hail   Front floor officially done Cut out the area that...   Jan 2 2009, 12:36 PM
Eric_Shea   :beer1:   Jan 2 2009, 02:47 PM
Jeff Hail   Final coat of epoxy primer on the front floor/ ped...   Jan 11 2009, 07:21 PM
Jeff Hail   The left side cowl is as expected. Evaluate and st...   Jan 11 2009, 07:24 PM
Jeff Hail   Made a backer to go behind and underneath the cowl...   Jan 11 2009, 07:28 PM
Jeff Hail   A good friend who happens to be a full time welder...   Jan 11 2009, 09:06 PM
heavydriver   If you were to replace the firewalls as well as th...   Jan 15 2009, 05:02 PM
Jeff Hail   If you were to replace the firewalls as well as t...   Jan 16 2009, 09:04 PM
heavydriver   Thanks for the response. Based on what I have seen...   Jan 17 2009, 07:25 AM
Cairo94507   I am absolutely in awe of your skills; you are the...   Jan 17 2009, 08:34 AM
Jeff Hail   The tub is off the front jig. Prepped, primed and ...   Jan 31 2009, 07:06 PM
Jeff Hail   Back to the driver side cowl. Fabbed all the littl...   Jan 31 2009, 07:10 PM
Jeff Hail   I removed what was left of the fender gutter at th...   Jan 31 2009, 07:12 PM
Jeff Hail   Lots of grinding and shaping and more grinding an...   Jan 31 2009, 07:17 PM
Mike914   Lots of grinding and shaping and more grinding a...   Feb 1 2009, 03:03 AM
Jeff Hail   I've been quiet and for good reason. #1: I a...   Mar 21 2009, 02:09 AM
type11969   Good luck with everything Jeff, looking forward to...   Mar 21 2009, 10:36 AM
flippa   ADD is a blessing; I would be out of buisness with...   Mar 21 2009, 10:42 AM
Jeff Hail   Don't count me out until you see the box going...   Jun 16 2009, 11:45 PM
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