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| TROJANMAN |
 Apr 30 2008, 07:01 PM
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Looks nice in pictures.........  Group: Members Posts: 5,275 Joined: 5-March 04 From: Colorado Member No.: 1,753 Region Association: None  |
Rand,
I have a brilliant idea for you..........(IMG:style_emoticons/default/idea.gif) When you finish your 5.7 project, you should retag it with some GM Vin plates from the junkyard. Then, when you go to sell it, you can market it as a FIERO. (IMG:http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l266/Revolos55/Macros/GuinnessBrilliant.jpg) |
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| Rand |
Apr 30 2008, 07:06 PM
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Cross Member Group: Members Posts: 7,413 Joined: 8-February 05 From: OR Member No.: 3,573 Region Association: None |
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Hmm... Imagine the profits. This is a genius interpretation of the 394th law of acquisition! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wacko.gif) Dammit Gregor, stop egging me on. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/poke.gif) I've already posted too much. (I think the little red guy on my left shoulder beat the sh*t out of the imp on the right shoulder.) |
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| MoveQik |
Apr 30 2008, 07:06 PM
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What size wheels can I fit? Group: Members Posts: 4,654 Joined: 5-April 05 From: Scottsdale, AZ Member No.: 3,881 Region Association: Southwest Region  |
Anyone want to buy my factory 3.2 /6? Well....ummm...I mean...it'll be a real six as soon as I get those VIN numbers from AA. It's the best $500 I have ever spent.
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| scotty b |
Apr 30 2008, 07:10 PM
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rust free you say ? Group: Members Posts: 16,375 Joined: 7-January 05 From: richmond, Va. Member No.: 3,419 Region Association: None |
This just brings up my point that I have had with several people. That VIN tag doesn't mean jack sh*t to me. ANY body could have been the chosen one in line to get a six. ANY car could have been the next Pinky. ANY car could have been the next L.E. Why do so many people think the VIN tag makes a particular body so freaking special ? They are numbers
Settle down Pat (IMG:style_emoticons/default/poke.gif) IF a car has a significant place in history I feel differently. The factory built 8 for example. Sure I am contradicting myself a bit. You could say " But Scott ANY body could have been the 8 cyl car." One or 2 examples are vastly different IMHO than a couple thousand examples. I'm not a purist, I don't care if you want to change your engine, or color, or put a rainbow interior in it It's YOUR F-in car. Yeah I have 2 cars I'll be absolutely anal about when I get to them, but at the same time I realize they are not one of a kinds, one is a bit special but not a MEGA RARE car. George, I guarantee you a 6 clone could be built that you would have NO idea was not original unless you knew in advance what was going on. It's all about he quality of werk being done. This 6 VIN tag being the holy grail is just a joke to me. My concern here is the legality of what is happening. If it is legal so be it. If it's not it is yet another blemish on A.A. Like P.T. stated, there's a sucker born every minute (IMG:style_emoticons/default/popcorn[1].gif) |
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| carr914 |
Apr 30 2008, 07:23 PM
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Racer from Birth Group: Members Posts: 128,558 Joined: 2-February 04 From: Tampa,FL Member No.: 1,623 Region Association: South East States |
Scotty, it's not that ANY body could have been in line to get a Six. It's about now and how many are left and what they mean to the people that have them. I've been around 914s since 1975, have owned at least a dozen and can say I'm the proud owner of 2 Real sixs and a conversion track car. I know Steve Gaglione gave up alot to get his M-471. These cars are special. Even if, and just about anyone can make a better conversion.
And getting back to the point, selling Titles and Vins. Totally WRONG, by anybody. Much more so for the Dr. T.C. |
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| balljoint |
Apr 30 2008, 07:58 PM
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914 Wizard Group: Members Posts: 10,001 Joined: 6-April 04 Member No.: 1,897 Region Association: None |
QUOTE(TROJANMAN @ Apr 30 2008, 09:01 PM)  Rand, I have a brilliant idea for you..........(IMG:style_emoticons/default/idea.gif) When you finish your 5.7 project, you should retag it with some GM Vin plates from the junkyard. Then, when you go to sell it, you can market it as a FIERO. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/chairfall.gif) |
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| Lavanaut |
Apr 30 2008, 08:01 PM
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Hungry Mind : Thirsty Gullet Group: Members Posts: 916 Joined: 20-June 06 From: Bend, OR Member No.: 6,265 Region Association: Pacific Northwest |
QUOTE IF a car has a significant place in history I feel differently. Man Scotty, I think it's crazy to imply that the 914/6 doesn't have a significant place in history. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/confused24.gif) |
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| ericread |
Apr 30 2008, 08:06 PM
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The Viper Blue 914 Group: Members Posts: 2,177 Joined: 7-December 07 From: Irvine, CA (The OC) Member No.: 8,432 Region Association: Southern California |
Great timing with Jake's interview with George next week! The question is: Will Jake ask the question???
(IMG:style_emoticons/default/popcorn[1].gif) (More popcorn please) |
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| scotty b |
Apr 30 2008, 08:11 PM
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rust free you say ? Group: Members Posts: 16,375 Joined: 7-January 05 From: richmond, Va. Member No.: 3,419 Region Association: None |
QUOTE(Lavanaut @ Apr 30 2008, 06:01 PM) QUOTE IF a car has a significant place in history I feel differently. Man Scotty, I think it's crazy to imply that the 914/6 doesn't have a significant place in history. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/confused24.gif) I just don't feel that a car that had multiple ( 1000's) of made are THAT special. Obviously I have a differing opinion than most. They have the same body style, use the same steel, same paint, same interior etc. That number is the ONLY thing that designates that car as being different then the next one in line. Yes I know we're talking 6 numbers but my point is simply that I or any one of you can take a 4 and make it a 6 with no more effort then it would take to restore a "real" 6.Thus making the VIN tag the ONLY difference. It's just a bunch of numbers to me. Flame on (IMG:style_emoticons/default/stirthepot.gif) |
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| Joe Bob |
Apr 30 2008, 08:14 PM
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Retired admin, banned a few times Group: Members Posts: 17,427 Joined: 24-December 02 From: Boulder CO Member No.: 5 Region Association: None |
I agree...unfortunately the stoopid VIN adds 5-6K to the car as of now....much more in the future.
914, the next 356..... |
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| MoveQik |
Apr 30 2008, 08:21 PM
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What size wheels can I fit? Group: Members Posts: 4,654 Joined: 5-April 05 From: Scottsdale, AZ Member No.: 3,881 Region Association: Southwest Region |
QUOTE(scotty b @ Apr 30 2008, 07:11 PM) I just don't feel that a car that had multiple ( 1000's) of made are THAT special. Obviously I have a differing opinion than most. They have the same body style, use the same steel, same paint, same interior etc. That number is the ONLY thing that designates that car as being different then the next one in line. Yes I know we're talking 6 numbers but my point is simply that I or any one of you can take a 4 and make it a 6 with no more effort then it would take to restore a "real" 6.Thus making the VIN tag the ONLY difference. It's just a bunch of numbers to me. Flame on (IMG:style_emoticons/default/stirthepot.gif) What is that old saying? "The street doesn't lie" While the VIN of a factory six may be nothing to you, the street CLEARLY says otherwise. So good for you, you don't have to pony up for a "real" six to be happy(nor did I (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) ) but the market says there is a difference and a rather significant one at that. They are rare enough and have enough subtle differences that the market has determined that they are indeed much more collectible. That is all that matters with regards to value. |
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| scotty b |
Apr 30 2008, 08:21 PM
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rust free you say ? Group: Members Posts: 16,375 Joined: 7-January 05 From: richmond, Va. Member No.: 3,419 Region Association: None |
QUOTE(Joe Mama @ Apr 30 2008, 06:14 PM) I agree...unfortunately the stoopid VIN adds 5-6K to the car as of now....much more in the future. 914, the next 356..... Time for you to build a " bad narp " to go with the tub. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) Oh and I have my opinion of the " market" as well (IMG:style_emoticons/default/stromberg.gif) |
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| carr914 |
Apr 30 2008, 08:21 PM
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Racer from Birth Group: Members Posts: 128,558 Joined: 2-February 04 From: Tampa,FL Member No.: 1,623 Region Association: South East States |
Look at the Limited Edition Cars out now. It seems every other Porsche is a special. Corvette has the Z?, the 427, Musting has their own Shelby, Roush, Foose, Saleen with thousand upon thousands to the gullable (have you seen the prices on these "Collectable Mustangs"). The number game is definately in favor of the 914-6. Also bodys by Karmann, construction by Porsche (914-6) or VW (914)
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| tod914 |
Apr 30 2008, 08:23 PM
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Advanced Member Group: Members Posts: 3,755 Joined: 19-January 03 From: Lincoln Park, NJ Member No.: 170 |
A few years back my buddy was looking at a late 60s Mustang Mach 1. Car
appeared very well restored. Rear shocks offset, etc. etc. But upon closer inspection, the vin label in the window was clearly tampered with. Needless to say he didn't buy it. Was a consignment car. The owner of the shop had no clue what we were talking about. Just stated, it's on consignement and he doesn't take any responsibility for how it was represented. Think it all boils down to ethics. Be mighty pissed after that fact for sure. |
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| Joe Bob |
Apr 30 2008, 08:31 PM
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Retired admin, banned a few times Group: Members Posts: 17,427 Joined: 24-December 02 From: Boulder CO Member No.: 5 Region Association: None |
I used to have a "boutique" meaning small volume dealer's license in CA. Once a car is sold first by the manufacturer, the Feds step out. Then the State steps in on all subsequent sales.
That's how the State can collect sales tax and have different smog laws....as to VIN's, MANUFACTURER's are the only authorized agent that can re-assign a VIN to a blank NEW tub. Swapping a VIN to a used one is illegal in most States...at least west of the Mississippi. Maybe back in Goat Fuck Holler it's OK....but sure as hell, unethical.... Also...in CA, a licensed dealer is liable for all sales, consignment or otherwise. They must do due diligence on history, have a pretty substantial bond for such things as fraud, must provide a smog legal car, not tamper with the speedometer, etc, etc.... |
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| championgt1 |
Apr 30 2008, 08:33 PM
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Don't embarrass me Filmore! Group: Members Posts: 2,682 Joined: 3-January 07 From: Tacoma, Washington Member No.: 7,420 Region Association: Pacific Northwest |
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| TROJANMAN |
Apr 30 2008, 08:34 PM
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Looks nice in pictures......... Group: Members Posts: 5,275 Joined: 5-March 04 From: Colorado Member No.: 1,753 Region Association: None |
I need a new hobby.......... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sad.gif)
This statute appears to apply to vehicles post 1984, and this one post 1980. I am sure if I took some more time (amazing i don't have any right now (IMG:style_emoticons/default/blink.gif) ) I could find something that applies to earlier models. Have at it (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) This post has been edited by TROJANMAN: Apr 30 2008, 08:49 PM |
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| championgt1 |
Apr 30 2008, 08:34 PM
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Don't embarrass me Filmore! Group: Members Posts: 2,682 Joined: 3-January 07 From: Tacoma, Washington Member No.: 7,420 Region Association: Pacific Northwest |
QUOTE(Joe Mama @ Apr 30 2008, 07:31 PM) I used to have a "boutique" meaning small volume dealer's license in CA. Once a car is sold first by the manufacturer, the Feds step out. Then the State steps in on all subsequent sales. That's how the State can collect sales tax and have different smog laws....as to VIN's, MANUFACTURER's are the only authorized agent that can re-assign a VIN to a blank NEW tub. Swapping a VIN to a used one is illegal in most States...at least west of the Mississippi. Maybe back in Goat Fuck Holler it's OK....but sure as hell, unethical.... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/av-943.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/av-943.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/av-943.gif) |
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| alpha434 |
Apr 30 2008, 08:43 PM
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My member number is no coincidence. Group: Members Posts: 3,154 Joined: 16-December 05 From: Denver, CO Member No.: 5,280 Region Association: Rocky Mountains |
Guys.
How can you define these things as ethical or not? That chassis would make a fine racer, and has all the appropriate paperwork to be. The vin numbers? Would you really stop someone from having their dream car? There has and always will be an underground market for raw vin numbers. I've purchased them for several of my cars. And for several of my friend's cars. Having the appropriate paperwork makes that 914 you bought from some junkyard legal to drive. Meanwhile, I think it's foolish for George to outright post on ebay that he sells raw vins. That's asking for a lengthy investigation. Trafficing raw vins is illegal in and of itself. But come ON guys. We're all on the same team here. You want a 356? I know where you can buy a roadster chassis. And I know another guy who's got the vins for a roadster. A little bit of elbow grease, and you've got a 356 for much cheaper than any idiot could put one together out of fiberglass. |
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| TROJANMAN |
Apr 30 2008, 08:45 PM
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Looks nice in pictures......... Group: Members Posts: 5,275 Joined: 5-March 04 From: Colorado Member No.: 1,753 Region Association: None |
Cool, let's all welcome Alpha to the conversation (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wavey.gif)
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