|  Serious: Totaled my 914 yesterday, everyone OK :( | 
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|  Serious: Totaled my 914 yesterday, everyone OK :( | 
| Gint |  Apr 28 2008, 12:20 PM 
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| Mike Ginter                Group: Admin Posts: 16,105 Joined: 26-December 02 From: Denver CO. Member No.: 20 Region Association: Rocky Mountains    | Damn!  Really sorry Mike.  Glad your both OK.  Not to make the guilt any worse, but tell Chris that any hit that will break teeth is going to hurt for a while. When I looked at the first pic of your shoulder on my iphone I thought it was yer ass! | 
| i love porsche |  Apr 28 2008, 12:21 PM 
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| Senior Member    Group: Members Posts: 1,547 Joined: 6-May 04 From: Nutley, NJ Member No.: 2,030 Region Association: North East States  | holy crap, Ray just called me and told me to check the boards, thank god Chris isnt hurt more, im really sorry, sometimes stuff happens, at least you guys are still here | 
| markb |  Apr 28 2008, 12:22 PM 
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| 914less :(      Group: Members Posts: 5,450 Joined: 22-January 03 From: Nipomo, CA Member No.: 180 Region Association: Central California    | Glad you both came out of it relatively OK. It looks like it really could have been a lot worse.  You could always build another Thunderbus with that motor..... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) I hope you both heal up fast. As was said before, maybe the rest of us will take a moment & be a bit more careful. Sh!t happens, and if most are like me, we tend to be a little right foot heavy. | 
| Dr Evil |  Apr 28 2008, 12:25 PM 
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| Send me your transmission!                Group: Members Posts: 23,041 Joined: 21-November 03 From: Loveland, OH 45140 Member No.: 1,372 Region Association: MidAtlantic Region    | As said many times before .....cars can be replaced. I have driven that same road many many times over the last 40 years. Yes and taking those turns at 35 can be done in a 914....that said I suspect that the road may have still been a tad damp and oil filmed.Remember that is a low spot and the road floods there all the time. (road floods,water pools,all the oil from no rain for over a week flows to the low point). A speedy recovery to you both. Good point. I cant be sure at this point if the road was completely dry as I dont remember. Today any evidence was washed away as it has been raining pretty good. | 
| Babydoll |  Apr 28 2008, 12:34 PM 
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| Babydoll no beer function well without  Group: Members Posts: 42 Joined: 27-June 05 From: Fairfax Station, VA Member No.: 4,336  | (IMG:style_emoticons/default/huh.gif) Oh My God, Mike Dr. Evil, that is such terrible news!  And so unfair!!  We all know that our cars were made to take the twisties - hell, I drive Babydoll 60 to 65 on the roads in my neighborhood, and they are much more twisted than your pics.  It had to be the gravel, not enough road for your tires... I daresay you didn't do anything wrong, the damned road was too narrow.  And I'll wager your car was mechanically sound, considering who works on her.  And you had to be driving conservatively 'cause you had a passenger.  So, it's the road.  Thank all that's holy that you and Chris came out of it walking, and still relatively intact.  I've been told for years by skeptics that *nobody* walks away from a 914 crash.  You're improved my faith in the breed.  And I really admire your attitude - fix up another 'teener and get back out there.  Just beware of e.v.i.l. skinny roads. | 
| keske968 |  Apr 28 2008, 12:35 PM 
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| Member   Group: Members Posts: 132 Joined: 5-September 06 From: Papillion, Ne Member No.: 6,778 Region Association: None  | Glad you are ok man.  Someone upstairs was watching out for you two. | 
| VaccaRabite |  Apr 28 2008, 12:38 PM 
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| En Garde!           Group: Admin Posts: 13,807 Joined: 15-December 03 From: Dallastown, PA Member No.: 1,435 Region Association: MidAtlantic Region    | As said many times before .....cars can be replaced. I have driven that same road many many times over the last 40 years. Yes and taking those turns at 35 can be done in a 914....that said I suspect that the road may have still been a tad damp and oil filmed.Remember that is a low spot and the road floods there all the time. (road floods,water pools,all the oil from no rain for over a week flows to the low point). A speedy recovery to you both. Good point. I cant be sure at this point if the road was completely dry as I dont remember. Today any evidence was washed away as it has been raining pretty good. If there was any shade on the road, it was probably damp. The rain Sat Night and then the fog and humidity Sunday kept everything around me from being dry. A little bit of water on the road is worse then a lot. Also, it was flat out COLD here yesterday (like I was wearing long pants cold). Unless your tires were all season, they were probably hard as hockey pucks. This is a huge cause for accidents in this area. Sporty cars are sold with summer tires as stock. As soon as the temps drop below ~50, they may as well be driving on ice. Get well soon Chris. Mike, gimmie a call when you need some help with stuff. Zach | 
| Trevorg7 |  Apr 28 2008, 12:45 PM 
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| Senior Member    Group: Members Posts: 1,242 Joined: 7-December 04 From: Highland Village, TX Member No.: 3,241 Region Association: Southwest Region  | Wow that hit looks nasty - very glad you guys are okay. Like Troy said, I wonder about oil too. Let me know if I can do anything. T | 
| Trevorg7 |  Apr 28 2008, 12:54 PM 
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| Senior Member    Group: Members Posts: 1,242 Joined: 7-December 04 From: Highland Village, TX Member No.: 3,241 Region Association: Southwest Region  | ...and from Sue; "Holy Crap, glad their okay" T | 
| Twise |  Apr 28 2008, 12:57 PM 
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| Member   Group: Members Posts: 475 Joined: 20-September 06 From: SoCal - Temecula Member No.: 6,881 Region Association: Southern California  | Damn, that sucks bro.  Your car was very nice.  I hope you and Chris heal up quick.  Remember, teeth are overrated, and chicks dig scars... Your next 914 will be even better, we all have things we would have done differantly on our cars and now heres your chance. I will be looking for your new build thread. My good wishes are with you - take it easy... | 
| ericread |  Apr 28 2008, 12:58 PM 
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| The Viper Blue 914     Group: Members Posts: 2,177 Joined: 7-December 07 From: Irvine, CA (The OC) Member No.: 8,432 Region Association: Southern California  | (IMG:style_emoticons/default/huh.gif) Oh My God, Mike Dr. Evil, that is such terrible news! And so unfair!! We all know that our cars were made to take the twisties - hell, I drive Babydoll 60 to 65 on the roads in my neighborhood, and they are much more twisted than your pics. It had to be the gravel, not enough road for your tires... I daresay you didn't do anything wrong, the damned road was too narrow. And I'll wager your car was mechanically sound, considering who works on her. And you had to be driving conservatively 'cause you had a passenger. So, it's the road. Thank all that's holy that you and Chris came out of it walking, and still relatively intact. I've been told for years by skeptics that *nobody* walks away from a 914 crash. You're improved my faith in the breed. And I really admire your attitude - fix up another 'teener and get back out there. Just beware of e.v.i.l. skinny roads. I am sorry, but I cannot agree. As much as I respect Mike, it was not the road, not the gravel, not the tires, not the car. The only thing that can ever make a mistake like this is the driver. Mike has said as much in this thread, and please Mike, please don't feel like I'm heaping sh*t on you. The issue was that the driver lost his situational awareness. It happens to all of us every day. Whether we unintentionally take a curve a little wide, a corner too fast, or fail to check the inflation in our tires. Our responsibility is to our passengers, ourselves, and our car. As for the end-result, I honestly believe that Mike used his not-trivial driving skills in bleeding off speed prior to impact. That's what made a potentialy disasterous crash end up as a bent car from which everyone walked away. He may not even have done this consciously, but his driving skills probably automatically kicked-in. I give Mike all the credit in the world for minimizing the potential for human trauma that could have ocurred. The thing we all need to remember is that we choose to drive a 35 year old automobile. As such, we as owners and drivers are the only persons or items responsible when such an event ocurrs. | 
| brer |  Apr 28 2008, 01:02 PM 
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| Advanced Member     Group: Members Posts: 2,555 Joined: 10-March 05 From: san diego Member No.: 3,736 Region Association: None  | can't believe it man.  just keep looking at your pics and thinking WTF. best wishes for all involved | 
| jd74914 |  Apr 28 2008, 01:04 PM 
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| Its alive     Group: Members Posts: 4,859 Joined: 16-February 04 From: CT Member No.: 1,659 Region Association: North East States  | I think the original post was not intended to be taken so seriously Eric.  That sucks Mike; but as everyone else had said, it is the people who cannot be replaced. You guys both had someone looking out for you, that could have been a lot worse. Hopefully Chris heals up quickly. On a more positive not, you do need lemons to make lemonade. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) | 
| TravisNeff |  Apr 28 2008, 01:10 PM 
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| 914 Guru      Group: Members Posts: 5,082 Joined: 20-March 03 From: Mesa, AZ Member No.: 447 Region Association: Southwest Region    | Ouch X 3.  That really sucks but I am glad you two made it out ok. | 
| ericread |  Apr 28 2008, 01:15 PM 
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| The Viper Blue 914     Group: Members Posts: 2,177 Joined: 7-December 07 From: Irvine, CA (The OC) Member No.: 8,432 Region Association: Southern California  | I think the original post was not intended to be taken so seriously Eric. That sucks Mike; but as everyone else had said, it is the people who cannot be replaced. You guys both had someone looking out for you, that could have been a lot worse. Hopefully Chris heals up quickly. On a more positive not, you do need lemons to make lemonade. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) Sorry if I took it too seriously... DAMN that narrow road!!! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/fighting19.gif) | 
| SirAndy |  Apr 28 2008, 01:28 PM 
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| dw914er |  Apr 28 2008, 01:28 PM 
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| Planning Cities     Group: Members Posts: 2,365 Joined: 1-March 08 From: Yucaipa, CA Member No.: 8,763 Region Association: Southern California  | glad everyone is alright once a mid engine car gets sideways, its virtually impossible to correct it (moreso than any other car from what ive heard) but yea, it was a nasty accident, but could have been worse. hope everyone is feeling alright | 
| stateofidleness |  Apr 28 2008, 01:44 PM 
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| Senior Member    Group: Members Posts: 810 Joined: 1-September 07 From: Canyon Lake, Texas! Member No.: 8,065 Region Association: None  | ohhh man! it hurst my stomach to see that! glad you both are ok! it looks like the car threw up its surrender flag in that last pic (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) if you need anything (from what little parts i have lol, still new to the "scene"), they're yours! | 
| toon1 |  Apr 28 2008, 01:46 PM 
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| Senior Member    Group: Members Posts: 1,849 Joined: 29-October 05 From: tracy,ca Member No.: 5,022  | sorry Mike, glad to hear you and the passenger are ok.   looks like it could have been much worse. It's tough to see those pics of the car. Keith | 
| jsayre914 |  Apr 28 2008, 01:55 PM 
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| Speed Up !!!     Group: Members Posts: 3,210 Joined: 10-February 08 From: Timonium MD 21093 Member No.: 8,696 Region Association: MidAtlantic Region  | Sorrry to hear it bro. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sad.gif)  After the fact.... you guys should carve your names on the pole, for history purposes (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) | 
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