Early 914/6 car Options

[Bleyseng]

http://www.ddk-online.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=23361

VIN is 30011 & it came from the Factory with a GT kit including:

"twin plug heads; non-adjustable forged rockers titanium rods; 46 IDA carbs with steel carb covers; Koni shocks; Fiberglas rockers, front & rear deck lids; long studs."

- but narrow (non-flared) body.

The car - which has only covered 9979 km (that's 6,237 miles !) - is currently being painstakingly restored :

[SirAndy]

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[Eric_Shea]

He'll have new calipers to bolt on it when it's done. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showtopic=67599

I believe those to be the very first 914-6/GT calipers ever put together. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

Owner is a member here but doesn't post and doesn't care to be called out right now however, after that thread (with his GT) I'm sure there's a few who can now put a name to the car. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/dry.gif)

I told Pete about it a while back and I think there's an article in the wings when it's finally completed.

I have a bunch more pictures he sent to me but asked me not to post. There's some "REALLY" interesting things about this car.

It is, as mentioned, a factory hot-rod. It was originally used as a press demonstrator car. It ended up in the hands of the late Gary Wigglesworth and was sold out of his estate.

This is the very first -6 off the factory assembly line. I think it's a tremendously important car. I can't wait to see it done (I've been promised a ride!) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

[SirAndy]

This is the very first -6 off the factory assembly line.

Are we sure about that? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/idea.gif)

I know a lot of sources state that Porsche started with 0011 instead of 0001 when they numbered the 914-6, however, there's a lot of circumstantial evidence that supports the fact that they indeed started with 0001 ...
(IMG:style_emoticons/default/shades.gif) Andy

[Eric_Shea]

My understanding is; the first series (which includes the beloved 0004) were to be used as test vehicles and hence crushed. I believe all factory documentation begins with #0011 (as in TSB's etc). I've been informed by a couple different sources this is the first "production" 914-6 off the line.

I would imagine "production" is the key word here.

[SirAndy]

My understanding is; the first series (which includes the beloved 0004) were to be used as test vehicles and hence crushed. I believe all factory documentation begins with #0011 (as in TSB's etc). I've been informed by a couple different sources this is the first "production" 914-6 off the line.

I would imagine "production" is the key word here.

No. That is *not* how the numbering worked. I was not referring to any prototype cars.

All the prototype cars had completely different VINs. #4 is only called #4 because Brad didn't understand the VIN the guy told him on the phone. He thought it was 9140430004, but he was mistaken. Just as you are ...

The VIN for the Prototype is 914114. However, all prototypes were assigned internal project numbers (914/11 in the case of 914114) and those project numbers were carried on into the factory GT racing program.
*NONE* of the prototype cars had a production VIN number ...


What i was talking about is references to the production VIN numbers below 9140430011. There's plenty of references to lower number in official Porsche literature, including their very own recall bulletins.
Here's a link to the official recall information.
http://members.rennlist.com/914_collectibles/Recalls.htm
Note that only one recall starts with 9140430011, several start with 9140430001 and some start with 9140430030. This suggest that they had quite a few quirks in the very early cars. But it also strongly suggests that there were cars with VIN numbers lower than 9140430011.

Also, DGVWPB features a picture of the supposedly first production 914/6 (Page 39, right top corner) which they call #1. The picture is black/white but you can clearly see that the car is of dark color, possibly black with a bright (tan?) interior. Most certainly not yellow.
They also state that the production numbers started with 9140430001.

(IMG:style_emoticons/default/bye1.gif) Andy

[Eric_Shea]

Well then I'm wrong, or they're wrong, or we're all wrong. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/confused24.gif)

It's not in my garage so I don't care. Just spouting what I've been told. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

[SirAndy]

Well then I'm wrong, or they're wrong, or we're all wrong. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/confused24.gif)

That was my point all along!
(IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) Andy

[dlestep]

...if it came from the factory...and used as a mule in europe...then why does it have the oil temp/pressure in english...

[9146racing]

Porsche used it as a semi press car to promote the 914-6 in the U.S. before selling it to the first owner,
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[twash]

9140430011 & 0012 were the first and second protype/ development of the production line cars of the 914-6 series, both cars were used by the factory as show cars 0011 was also used as a dealer demostrator car to promote sales of the 6. Car had factory support in scca racing in the USA. Yurgon Barth Factory historian and 914 fan has verified that 0011 is the first production 914-6 and will state so in his new book.

[SirAndy]

Alright then, let's list the cars we know still exist today in order of their birth date.

Please note that the prototype car VIN numbers were not in sequence with the project numbers.


Listed from oldest to newest:

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PROTOTYPE CARS
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VIN: 914.111
Project Number: 914/10
Color: Red
Info: Owned by Dr. Ferdinand Piech, 8-Cyl. 908 Racing Engine, 3.0L, Bosch MFI
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VIN: 914.114
Project Number: 914/11
Color: Yellow
Info: Owned by Sam Charters, 6-Cyl. 911T Engine, 2.0L, Weber carburetors
Oldest 914-6 we know of to date
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VIN: 914.120
Project Number: 914/??
Color: Red
Info: Unknown owner in Germany, 6-Cyl. 911T Engine, 2.0L, sportomatic transmission
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VIN: 914.006
Project Number: 914/21
Color: Silver
Info: Owned by Prof. Ferry Porsche, 8-Cyl. 908 Racing Engine, 3.0L, Weber carburetors
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PRODUCTION CARS
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VIN: 914.043.0011
Color: Yellow
Info: Factory show car, dealer demonstrator car, twin plug engine
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VIN: 914.043.0012
Color: Red
Info: Owned by Glenn Stazak, car has some prototype parts.
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VIN: 914.043.0019
Project Number: 914/31
Color: Irish Green
Info: Owned by Graf Goertz, Factory GT Prototype
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There's a few interesting bits of information here:

- 914.114 is the oldest 914-6 still in existence today.
- 914.120 is the second oldest 914-6 still in existence today and the oldest Sportomatic car we know of.
- 914.043.0011 is the oldest 914-6 production car still in existence today.
- 914.043.0012 is the second oldest 914-6 production car still in existence today.

- There's a gap of 9 cars before Project Number 914/10.
- There's a gap of 9 cars between Project Number 914/11 and Project Number 914/21.
- There's a gap of 9 cars between Project Number 914/21 and Project Number 914/31.
- The Project Number for 914.120 is unknown.

(IMG:style_emoticons/default/popcorn[1].gif) Andy

[SirAndy]

Yurgon Barth Factory historian and 914 fan has verified that 0011 is the first production 914-6 and will state so in his new book.

Do you mean "Jürgen Barth"?
Is the title of the book, by any chance, "Surrounded by idiots"?

(IMG:style_emoticons/default/shades.gif) Andy

[twash]

doing much better, now if you can break up cars in prototype models or ideals ,engineering development units of 914-6 (appears to be 9 cars), and the special development cars(908). its starting to make sense of how the cars developed.believe 0011 is also signal orange

[SirAndy]

doing much better, now if you can break up cars in prototype models or ideals ,engineering development units of 914-6 (appears to be 9 cars), and the special development cars(908). its starting to make sense of how the cars developed.believe 0011 is also signal orange

Karmann delivered 20 914-6 shells to Porsche over the course of the year in 1968 for prototyping.

I only have detailed information on 5 of those and a few pictures of a 6th.
That leaves us with 14 early prototypes that are unaccounted for.
(IMG:style_emoticons/default/shades.gif) Andy

[Eric_Shea]

So it was the first 914-6 off the line?

[SirAndy]

So it was the first 914-6 off the line?

Have you not been reading? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/confused24.gif)


No, i don't think it was the first off the line.
I think the first off the line is the one pictured in DGVWPB on Page 39 (see pic below), which supposedly is 914.043.0001 ...
Note the Euro trim.

However, #11 may very well be the first production 914-6 to come to the USA.

And at this point in time, it is the oldest production 914-6 we know still exists. But that's obviously different than being the first off the line.

(IMG:style_emoticons/default/shades.gif) Andy

[Eric_Shea]

Have you not been reading?

Reading what? Kinda testy huh?

So this is the first production six off the line? Who has 01? Why does Jürgen think 11 is the first six?

Note the Euro trim

And the badge.

[SirAndy]

Reading what?

Dunno, how about stuff i posted earlier in this thread? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/confused24.gif)

Why does Jürgen think 11 is the first six?

Why don't you ask him? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/confused24.gif)

Who has 01?

Beats me. Which i also already posted in this thread. (Reading, remember?) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

Kinda testy huh?

Only with people who seem to have some sort of problem with me for no apparent reason. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/shades.gif)

[Eric_Shea]

Well... at least you're nice. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)