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| sixnotfour |
 Mar 14 2009, 03:43 AM
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914 Wizard  Group: Members Posts: 10,430 Joined: 12-September 04 From: Life Elevated..planet UT. Member No.: 2,744 Region Association: Rocky Mountains 
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| Maltese Falcon |
Mar 14 2009, 05:04 AM
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Advanced Member Group: Members Posts: 4,641 Joined: 14-September 04 From: Mulholland SoCal Member No.: 2,755 Region Association: None |
Porsche achieved big HP back then w/o modern ecu's or management systems out of 3.2 litres, and that served the competition well !
I stuffed a similar engine , detuned for street use into this 914- www.Youtube.com/watch?v=fhH5mzfyFl8 Marty |
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| ChicagoPete |
Mar 15 2009, 07:15 AM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 227 Joined: 10-January 05 From: Lake Forest,IL Member No.: 3,427 |
QUOTE(Maltese Falcon @ Mar 14 2009, 03:04 AM)  I stuffed a similar engine , detuned for street use into this 914- Marty Detuned to what??? 650 HP??!!!! In a 914! Sounds a little like the VW Beetle I saw on MegaWorld last nite on DiscoveryHD where the guy shoved a jet engine out the back of his Beetle and it is still street legal. Peter |
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| r_towle |
Mar 15 2009, 07:38 AM
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Custom Member Group: Members Posts: 24,574 Joined: 9-January 03 From: Taxachusetts Member No.: 124 Region Association: North East States
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What non bolt on parts (intake and exhaust) are the differences between this motor and a stock 3.2 motor???
And, roughly how much does one of these turbo motors go for? Can this type of motor still be found, or are they getting more and more rare due to restorations. Rich |
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| J P Stein |
Mar 15 2009, 08:35 AM
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Irrelevant old fart Group: Members Posts: 8,797 Joined: 30-December 02 From: Vancouver, WA Member No.: 45 Region Association: None |
QUOTE(r_towle @ Mar 15 2009, 06:38 AM) What non bolt on parts (intake and exhaust) are the differences between this motor and a stock 3.2 motor??? And, roughly how much does one of these turbo motors go for? Can this type of motor still be found, or are they getting more and more rare due to restorations. Rich I've read a little about these motors. Most parts are unique to the 935....less the case & cylinders.... maybe. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) One sees parts F/S occasionally .......definately not cheep. WAG, 30-50K for a long block. |
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| championgt1 |
Mar 15 2009, 09:04 AM
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Don't embarrass me Filmore! Group: Members Posts: 2,680 Joined: 3-January 07 From: Tacoma, Washington Member No.: 7,420 Region Association: Pacific Northwest |
That justs makes me smile. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/piratenanner.gif)
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| PeeGreen 914 |
Mar 15 2009, 11:28 AM
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Just when you think you're done...wait, there is more..lol Group: Members Posts: 10,219 Joined: 21-September 06 From: Seattle, WA... actually Everett Member No.: 6,884 Region Association: Pacific Northwest
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I'll be right back... I need to go to the bathroom (IMG:style_emoticons/default/drooley.gif)
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| r_towle |
Mar 15 2009, 02:43 PM
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Custom Member Group: Members Posts: 24,574 Joined: 9-January 03 From: Taxachusetts Member No.: 124 Region Association: North East States
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QUOTE(J P Stein @ Mar 15 2009, 10:35 AM) QUOTE(r_towle @ Mar 15 2009, 06:38 AM) What non bolt on parts (intake and exhaust) are the differences between this motor and a stock 3.2 motor??? And, roughly how much does one of these turbo motors go for? Can this type of motor still be found, or are they getting more and more rare due to restorations. Rich I've read a little about these motors. Most parts are unique to the 935....less the case & cylinders.... maybe. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) One sees parts F/S occasionally .......definately not cheep. WAG, 30-50K for a long block. So, case and cylinders are the same...maybe. I would assume the crank possibly. Heads...I am wondering if the heads are made from the same base casting...therefore could be made from a 3.2 set of heads??? Camshafts can be bought. Twin plug, part of the head process. Intake...well that looks custom on the dyno motor... JP, I can buy a 930 for 30k...long block cant be the same price... rich |
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| pete-stevers |
Mar 15 2009, 03:14 PM
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saved from fire! Group: Members Posts: 2,641 Joined: 10-October 04 From: Abbotsford,BC, Canada Member No.: 2,914 Region Association: Pacific Northwest
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there are a couple of raw 930 blocks on the bird board...
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| J P Stein |
Mar 15 2009, 03:37 PM
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Irrelevant old fart Group: Members Posts: 8,797 Joined: 30-December 02 From: Vancouver, WA Member No.: 45 Region Association: None |
QUOTE(r_towle @ Mar 15 2009, 01:43 PM) QUOTE(J P Stein @ Mar 15 2009, 10:35 AM) QUOTE(r_towle @ Mar 15 2009, 06:38 AM) What non bolt on parts (intake and exhaust) are the differences between this motor and a stock 3.2 motor??? And, roughly how much does one of these turbo motors go for? Can this type of motor still be found, or are they getting more and more rare due to restorations. Rich I've read a little about these motors. Most parts are unique to the 935....less the case & cylinders.... maybe. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) One sees parts F/S occasionally .......definately not cheep. WAG, 30-50K for a long block. So, case and cylinders are the same...maybe. I would assume the crank possibly. Heads...I am wondering if the heads are made from the same base casting...therefore could be made from a 3.2 set of heads??? Camshafts can be bought. Twin plug, part of the head process. Intake...well that looks custom on the dyno motor... JP, I can buy a 930 for 30k...long block cant be the same price... rich Hay, it was a WAG. I could be wrong..... Call Andial....er...Jerry Woods for a quote. |
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| sixnotfour |
Mar 15 2009, 03:48 PM
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914 Wizard Group: Members Posts: 10,430 Joined: 12-September 04 From: Life Elevated..planet UT. Member No.: 2,744 Region Association: Rocky Mountains
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935 engine pretty much a snapshot in time, everything else is a progression from what was learned racing. ( to fit rules/regs.)
Marty said it pretty well here; QUOTE Porsche achieved big HP back then w/o modern ecu's or management systems out of 3.2 litres, and that served the competition well ! Not to be compared to today's possibilities. That engine is beautifully restored and should be appreciated for its accomplishments cemented in time. It is based on a stock block ,but lots of titianum fasteners/etc. |
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| Rav914 |
Mar 15 2009, 04:29 PM
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All-weather fan Group: Members Posts: 738 Joined: 15-April 07 From: WA Member No.: 7,669 Region Association: None |
Wow. Super impressive. What a beauty! I love the sound the turbos made decelerating off the second run.
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| Maltese Falcon |
Mar 17 2009, 12:31 AM
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Advanced Member Group: Members Posts: 4,641 Joined: 14-September 04 From: Mulholland SoCal Member No.: 2,755 Region Association: None |
 [/quote]Hay, it was a WAG. I could be wrong..... Call Andial....er...Jerry Woods for a quote. [/quote] Special items are 935- specific such as center lubricated camshafts, titanium conrods, horizontal cooling fans, dual spark ignitions (the youTube engine was a single plug). Parts were (still are) in the stratosphere, however many items can be replicated by skilled craftsmen (Aasco for example) at decent prices. Here's a pic of the flame-ring head gaskets from mine. Marty |
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| JmuRiz |
Mar 17 2009, 03:50 PM
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914 Guru Group: Members Posts: 5,426 Joined: 30-December 02 From: NoVA Member No.: 50 Region Association: MidAtlantic Region
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QUOTE(ChicagoPete @ Mar 15 2009, 05:15 AM) QUOTE(Maltese Falcon @ Mar 14 2009, 03:04 AM) I stuffed a similar engine , detuned for street use into this 914- Marty Detuned to what??? 650 HP??!!!! In a 914! Sounds a little like the VW Beetle I saw on MegaWorld last nite on DiscoveryHD where the guy shoved a jet engine out the back of his Beetle and it is still street legal. Peter I think it was closer to 530hp, but Marty would know for sure. A wild beast for sure...I'm sure you'd hear the horizontal fan spinning more than the exhaust music. |
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| TimT |
Mar 17 2009, 05:52 PM
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retired Group: Members Posts: 4,033 Joined: 18-February 03 From: Wantagh, NY Member No.: 313 |
I can't find the pics... but I know someone who put a 956 engine in a 914
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| r_towle |
Mar 17 2009, 06:26 PM
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Custom Member Group: Members Posts: 24,574 Joined: 9-January 03 From: Taxachusetts Member No.: 124 Region Association: North East States
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OK,
two crazy porsche geniuses on one thread. Here is the question. Would a cayenne v8 fit without moving the firewall forward? Happy to move the middle of it forward, but not where the drivers seat needs to be...all the way back. Rich |
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| Maltese Falcon |
Mar 17 2009, 08:41 PM
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Advanced Member Group: Members Posts: 4,641 Joined: 14-September 04 From: Mulholland SoCal Member No.: 2,755 Region Association: None |
 [/quote]I think it was closer to 530hp, but Marty would know for sure. A wild beast for sure...I'm sure you'd hear the horizontal fan spinning more than the exhaust music. [/quote] 530 bhp was "As built in 1995" with a couple of older style IHI turbos, similar to the ones used on the F40 ferraris. Problem was that the IHIs would run themselves out of air at over 5,800 rpm. So we switched to these ceramic ball bearing Turbonetic units (GTKs) in 2008. Haven't dyno'd it yet, but the car will NOT run out of pull even at 7,500 rpm in 5th (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) Marty |
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| Maltese Falcon |
Mar 17 2009, 08:48 PM
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Advanced Member Group: Members Posts: 4,641 Joined: 14-September 04 From: Mulholland SoCal Member No.: 2,755 Region Association: None |
QUOTE(r_towle @ Mar 17 2009, 05:26 PM) OK, two crazy porsche geniuses on one thread. Here is the question. Would a cayenne v8 fit without moving the firewall forward? Happy to move the middle of it forward, but not where the drivers seat needs to be...all the way back. Rich We are going to find this out in a few more months, when the engine (Cayenne TT) arrives. The white car is already being caged, Sheridan wide body coming, and the POC might even need to create a class for it (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) The Cayenne engine tuners are already tweaking these to nearly 1,000 bhp. It will be an ALL Porsche drivetrain, chassis, and body ...correcto ? Marty |
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| echocanyons |
Mar 17 2009, 08:58 PM
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Advanced Member Group: Benefactors Posts: 2,094 Joined: 24-December 02 From: Bay Area, CA Member No.: 7 Region Association: Central California 
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Probably worlds away from the 962 but the thought of building a monster engine brought this thread to mind
962 engine build Attached image(s) 
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| JmuRiz |
Mar 18 2009, 09:43 AM
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914 Guru Group: Members Posts: 5,426 Joined: 30-December 02 From: NoVA Member No.: 50 Region Association: MidAtlantic Region
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QUOTE(Maltese Falcon @ Mar 17 2009, 06:41 PM) 530 bhp was "As built in 1995" with a couple of older style IHI turbos, similar to the ones used on the F40 ferraris. Problem was that the IHIs would run themselves out of air at over 5,800 rpm. So we switched to these ceramic ball bearing Turbonetic units (GTKs) in 2008. Haven't dyno'd it yet, but the car will NOT run out of pull even at 7,500 rpm in 5th (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) Marty Wow, now that's even more impressive!!! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/piratenanner.gif) |
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