i'm new to your forum, but i've always like that 914 and you guys here are as hardcore as i am. i'm from the honda camp and i want to buy a 914 for it's handling and finesse( at least for a 30 years old car)

i'm from a town near Montreal, quebec(i'm french so sorry if my english is'nt that great). 914 are hard to find here, but one have been keeping me from sleeping for a few nights. i want to know what you guys think about it. i want your opinion untill i go see it in the week end.

here's the text from the add.

Porsche 914/6 2.7S conversion. Up for sale is a 1974 Porsche 914/6 2.7S conversion. Currently the engine is partly resseambled, leaving cam tower to be mounted on the block. New seals, gaskets, bearings, etc. The car is mecanically sound but needs some bodywork. It has glass GT flares. No structural rust but some minor surface. Please email for further details. Car is in Montreal. Price 8000CAN$

and a pics:


anyone know about it? he is asking 8k? cdn, about 6-6.5k$ us

is it that hard to finish up the engine, asuming he have the rest of the parts?? i have rebuild some engine but no porsche....

A big welcome to the BBS.

The BIG question is how is it for rust. That is what determines the price on ANY 914 car. Check out all the typical areas, under the battery, hell hole, under the rocker covers (take them off), trunks. Look for crappy repairs to the rust prone areas like bad welding, fiberglass, or bondo. This is where the money goes to repair a car.

Engine work- a 911 motor is a 8 on a scale of 10 to rebuild so unless you have good skills figure on a mechanic spending 2-3k to finish the engine atleast. Or buy a good used 3.2 motor complete and install that! You'll be way ahead of the curve doing that.

A conversion car that doens't have a running motor is a project car which usually is cheap as it cost money to finish. Hell thats why its not done and running.
I wouldn't pay $6500 US for a non running 914/6 conversion when there are running ones out there for $8000 now and then that need some TLC.
I nice conversion is worth maybe $10-12 K, so subtract all it will take to finish this car by a mechanic and yourself. That is what gives you a base price IMHO. Porsche parts are expensive even wholesale.

Painting is another big cost with complete paint job running atleast $2500-5000.

Geoff

I would say it is high for a car that has some surface (more too!) rust and where the motor is not together.

montreal was home to the nicest 914-6 I have ever seen.

Brad sold a real 914/6 for $8500 last year with a great running 2.0L six. It did need an interior and paint touch up. Same color as this one.

Geoff

so if i understand correctly, it's not a deal. i will go see it by the week end. i'll see if the owner want to lower the price, otherwise, i'll wait another occasion.
better not buy a car i'm not 100% confident about that spending money fixing it......

by the way, i really like those wheels on 914...

really?? have some pics?? i honestly see 1 or 2 914 a year here.... but a lot of 911 and 944..

From what I understand.. the car has been painted with rattle can spray paint.

Also, the flares were hacked together.

I know something about this car from reading about it on one of the other internet sites.

The owner (Farleydude is his forum name) is VERY creative and resourceful. So, just keep that in mind. I think he likes to try and figure out how to make something, vs. what many would considered to be the "correct" way of doing something. But I have to give the guy credit, he is very handy.

Good luck!

really?? damn i like internet...

914 6 -- 6k
computer, 350$( mine at least)

being told that the car you want to buy hold together with tie wraps by a guy in 40 hour drive, priceless!

but seriously, i'll go see it by myself but i'll look carefully...

thanks for your help guys

oh, ok I know that car. I am not saying anything more.

call or email Brad at Brad@HighPreformanceHouse for info on sixes.


Geoff

I LOVE those rims on that car. I wonder what they are?

To be safe, bring a digital camera and take lots of pictures, of the car and the engine and ALL of the engine parts.
Post the pix on this site and you will get the best possible evaluation of the car money can buy!
Something like a missing exhaust system could cost you 2K CAN to get into the country and installed properly. Parts in Canada aren't as easy to find as in Southern California. You will have to pay dearly for most everything you bring across the border.
6 Cylinder parts(bearings, gaskets, oil pump etc) are 4 times the price of 4 cylinder parts. 4's are still fun to drive. (I am told))
Welcome to the site, sit down, read on and learn more about 914's here than most anywhere in the world!

http://www.farleydw.com/914.html

Here you can read all about the car.

Click on NOW

And the play around with the photo buttons on top

He is very resourceful.

Bonjour

If you need the engine put together I can do it.... If you need resto, bodywork, paint, mechanical, etc. my buddy Mike can do it. Mike is the 914 specialist, I'm the engine guy. We both have are own businesses, but we do work together. Mike owns an original /6 plus a creamsicle LE and I have a 74 /4.

We are both highly experienced and about 3 hrs south of Montreal near Port Hope/ Colbourg, Ontario.

All that has been said by the other guys is true, but remember they are talking US dollars. In Canada you would be hard pressed to do (or find) a nice completed /6 for under $15,000 to 20,000 Canadian, so I already wonder about that 914's condition. What is the year of the car? All /6’s in Canada are imported or conversions.

When you do the inspection have him remove the rocker panels and inspect the longs. These are the reinforcement rails front to back under the doors. Bring a heavy set (i.e. fat) friend along and have him sit in the seat and see if the doors close proper. Make sure the door gaps line up. Lift the carpets and look for rust and/or repairs. The hellhole is just in front of the battery tray. Does it have a battery tray? The battery is supposed to be in the engine compartment on the passenger side.
Ask how the engine is mounted, Is it a quick six, OEM, Johnson?
Suspension, brakes, struts/shocks, sway bars?
Too many questions to list.

We also might be able to find you a nice /4 or /6.
PM me for the details.
Mark

Hello and welcome,

If you are going to look at the car do as was mentioned. Take lots of pictures. Then post them here. Areas of consern are under the battery near the lower part of body. This is called the "Hell hole" because of the design of the body it rusts very easy there. Also the "Longs", the frame support area under the rocker covers along the side of the car. Look under the carpet near the area behind the seats for rust and in the rear trunk near the taillight lenses. Take a large friend with you to do the big butt test for sag in the body. Both of you get in the car and shut the doors. If they shut smoothly without jamming it passes. Check the jack points under the car. Take a small screwdriver with you to poke under the longs.

Call your local Porsche dealer or import shop and ask them how much for them to compleat putting the motor together.

914's are rare in Canada. They weren't imported here till 1972 and because of the salt used on our streets they rust very easy.

Thanks Karl for the link

buyer beware

Go take a look at it, but then keep looking...looks like a money pit.

i have my 914 914/6 by brian long and have read it like 6 times. i have search the net for some times.

i'll take picsi'll try to see it in the week end, but i have another car to search for the shop i'm working for. a civic or crx for drag race (target low 13 to high 12 N/A)but that's another story......


MARK HENRY: so if there is not that much rust on the frame/structure and the conversion is greatly done what should the car price be? just to have an idea.


those wheels are from 993 porsche if i'm right.

i'm also wondering about the 5 lug conversion... i'll go see it in the week end. just want to think about all those questions to clear up.

i'll have to go see a 72 black 1.7 with apearance package for 5k$ cdn... not powerfull but matbe a great buy.... a busy week end!

I don't have the pics anymore, but the new owner is from MI and on the bbs too. it's a signal orange 2.7RS 914-6. amazing.

those are 17" cup wheels, were out in the '95 year (993 and 928 too I believe).

Mike would know prices better than me, but it would have to be a real nice basket case for that price. I'm an old aircooled VW guy that lucked into my nice 914.



Take your time on this one, find the best 914 you can afford. If the black 1.7 is real nice it might be a better choice for a /6 conversion. 914/4's are cool too just look for all the same problems.



Mike can do that for you. As with anything Porsche you can find deals, but a lot of parts and labour tends get to get expensive.



They are cool, but don't let them cloud your better judgement. Look at the car as a whole.

I got my 914 for $4500, (should say I stole it) Mike offered me $7500 for it right away and it's appraised at $11000. Canadian. I still had to put more than $2k into it to make it what it is now and it will take a lot more money to make what I want it to be. I would not sell my /4 for less than 8K, but it's not for sale.

Here's derek's dream car:

one more

front suspension

Damn!! Who's car is that?


I feel like a pervert drooling over those pictures.

-Rusty

i won't be rushing to buy a teener, because i can't afford a full restoration..... i wont let those wheels and a six influence my judgement...

real nice car! amazing

Could be Qarls if it was painted......but its not.

i"d like to see the dump truck full of reciepts for that orange car. it would need a trailer hitch so i could tow all the miriors to display the bottom side. WOW!!!

kevin

Mark...who is Mike and do I have his Creamsicle on the 914 LE Registry?

so i got some update, i got him on the phone6 conversion, repro of factory oil tank, bulk head bolt and weld, son propre engine sheet metal. rattle can paint( must paint it flat black imo) the flares( fiberglass) have crack in the seam, new oem floor, rpair(metal) batt suport, clean interior with small crackk on the dash.

front 911 3.2 brakes with knuckles, rear redrilled rotor. come with 951 8" phone dials.

eurethane bushing up front but suposedly too tight.

i've got to check by myself

Seriously... look at the website and see how everything was done.

IMO, there are better deals out there.

rattlecan paint? hmmm, that doesn't sound too professional to me.

this car was for sale at $27.5k. it was listed for a few months, so probably sold for less. as you can see, it was as close to getting a NEW upgraded 914-6 as you can get even at that price I consider it one of the best deals I've seen yet.

BTW...I'm fairly certain this car is a driver, not a garage queen. someone posted pics of it recently at a MI get together.

it's not the rattle can paint that botter me, i would have peint it flat black for a summer or two, it would look cool while beating some of the civic i've help build, it's more that i can't drive the car to feel if the engine and everything is running fine... it's a lot of money a PORSCHE engine.. i've got 4 honda engine in my garage nut no even a porsche in sight....

i'll go see that 72 for 2K and see if it's negotiable.. otherwide i'll keep searching!

thanks for your help, it's great to see people are more helping in that side of motorsport than on the honda/imports side.....

I think that the 27k orange /6 saw a track event at Tremblant. I think it was rebuilt by Deman motorsports in NY.

Ok for the /6 now.

Soap box mode on:

I've seen it, i've touched it and worked on it. How can someone from the other coast say ''Oh, ok I know that car. I am not saying anything more''. Please tell us more!

Read the description. The guy's pretty straight about the condition of the car. It's a rattle can paint job, the flares are cracking and need to be adressed the engine is parly assembled and fresh, has webers. The front A-arm poly bushing need to be massaged or replaced, etc...

As for rust, the hell hole has been adressed.

As for the price, it may sound a little high but try to find a decent /6 conversion in the northeast. I'd suggest you go see several 914's including this one. it's woth seing it.

And yes farleyd is a good friend of mine. I may be biased but it's definalty not a car i'd run away from... I just don't understand that kind of comment. If my father didn't by a 70 911T, i'd get him to pick this one up.

Soap box mode off.

Marc-andré

I read that threas very carefully.

I AM THE ONE WHO SELLS THE CAR!!!!!

So i think ill join the bashing club!

I am quite pissed off about people who throw such clever words as MONEY PIT and OK I KNOW THAT CAR....(that one killed me) They dont know what i did to the car. They didnt see it either. I know that car better than anyone. The problem is that i tried to be as honest as i could about the description. I didnt wanted to have the guy grins when he sees the so-called rust free car some pretends their 914s are.

Why is it that everyone thinks its neighour and its brother are first-class screwers..... Arent we supposed to be a community? Do you really think i am gonna screw someone who lives 40 miles from my house?????

And please, be serious. Someone posted pics of a super-dupper-clean orange 914 that NONE of us will ever own one day. We are not in the same ballpark. Another one seriously pretended that a 1972 1.7 914 is fun????? And that it will be rust-free?

How many of you have converted sixes???? Do you know what it involves?

So lets recap. To start with: 8K$ canadian is about 6K US$.

- first off: try to find a /6 conversion for that price. Good ones are 12-15K. I sell it as a project, not a finished car. So 6K is honest i think.
- second: i offered the guy to finish the project, fit the engine and then deliver a running car, for 1K CAN$ more.
- third: i have ALL the parts to finish it, and receipts for the rebuild of the 2.7 engine. Just dont have the time neither a strong urge to do it. Just bought a 911SC.
- there is no structural rust. Can someone see the difference between surface and structural?????
- longitidunals, battery area and trunk floor have been repaired. Floor pan is brand new.
- the flares are separating from the body, not cracking. I am presently fixing them. I tried the Ed Villela formula with 3M material, something obviously went wrong.
- i rattle canned it because i wanted to see if the flares were holding before pouring 4K in paint! Clever, i honestly think as they arent.
- oil tank is OEM - NOT REPRO or CUSTOM MADE!!!!!!
- headers are include. Did i mention i have ALL parts?

I do understand that people are give advices to a non-experimented buyer. I was one too. But to say to stay away - when you are thousand miles from that car - is bold, to say the least.

Anyone, you can say that you scared the guy and that you made me looked like i was trying to rip him off. Which i wont. Period.

Thanks to all.

If I lived closer and was in the market for a 6 I'd come look.

The price seems right to me, but you would get better action on the car if the engine was together and running.

As to the rattle can paint job. I had a buddy paint a Javlin with gloss Black out of rattle cans. It looked better than the $2000 paint job another buddy payed. (this was 20 yrs ago)

Ok me again, the seller. Some more details about that 6KUS$ conversion :
- OEM oil tank
- SS brake lines
- 1984 911 Carrera front suspension
- front and rear sway bar
- Welmeister polybusings in front
- 914 headers
- Webers IDA 40 rebuilded
- fresh 2.7 with receipts, case-saved, new valve-guides, new rings, bearings, etc.
- new floorpan
- longitidunals and battery area repaired
- 944 Turbo Phone Dials 7 and 8 x 16s (surprinsingly they look great with flares!)

Manuel didnt mention that the 2.7S 7R longblock is assembled, leaving cam towers and cam housings to be assembled, time the cams and valves.

I still do think that 6K US$ fair. How much a fair 1974 2.0L 914 worths?

A /6 conversion has to be driven before comparing with 1.7L or even nice 2.0L.

One more note. The ex-owner of the amazing Kinesis 914 (that he sold for 35K US$) came to see the car. And mentionned that the body was good enough to start a new project with. That it wasnt rusted and has all of its integrity. I am more or less interested because he wants to buy the body alone, not the engine or /6 parts. So unless he lied to me....

- - -

Best to all, even bleyseng....

Mike Galloway, he owns Mike's914.

Don't know if you have his numbers, Davep might have them.

I've asked him to come over to the club, but I think he had a bad vibe on rennlist and has had no use for BBS's ever since.
Shame, he's a good guy and really knows his stuff.

If Dave doesn't know the numbers let me know and I'll try to find out.

The LE is in primer ready to paint, but it's been that way for a while.

Sounds like a deal to me. Care to arrange shipping to Iraq?

Seriously, guy... chill a bit. Our Collective has a pretty critical eye about eBay deals and cars that come up for sale. Too many of our own folks have been screwed on deals, especially when buying our first 914.

It sounds like a nice project, or a nice bunch of parts for other projects. I wish I was able to come take it off your hands... I'd send you a check today.

-Rusty

We have factory sixes in this area selling for under 10k. Why buy a conversion when you can have the real thing ??


B

In a word, Horsepower...or izat' 2 wurds? I could write a lot of words about a 200 hp 914, but it don't mean squat to someone that never tried one.....I just guessing, but 300 hp would be better as long as no iron was involved

OK, let's say you had that Orange six....nicer than nice. What do you do with it? Wax it, wash it.....get a lifetime supply of Q-tips?....take it to a concours and have some anal retentive old fart tell ya your basket weave holes are .005 oversize?

Always a problem for a car restorer or hot rodder.....I'm done, now what?

Another reason to buy a conversion is if it's there (available)

I did the math to get a car from NorCal to Calgary...now add another 2500 miles to those costs. It adds up.

Brad Roberts wrote:


Brad, be serious. There was a time when real sixes were out of touch and asking 15-20K, remember? Then why the hell have they come down under 10K???? Because their wimpy 2.0L maybe? Because they are getting as rusted as the /4s??? And as JP Stein mentionned, what do you do with it after??

And again, stop comparing apples and oranges. 10K is still a lot more than the 6K i am asking. Leaving him 4K to get a much better car:
2.7 vs 2.0L
180HP vs 110HP
911 suspension vs 914
side shifter vs tail shifter
etc.

And Brad, what would be the condition of a REAL six under 10K????

Best to all.

let me clear something on this one. i'm really interest on that 6 car.the only thing that bother me, it's that if i bought that car, finish it, i wont have money left if something break or need to be replaced. it seems to be a great car but it's in the highest end of ny budget. if i find a a cheaper, may not be as fun as a your6, but will allow me to replace parts if necesarie and ride it instead of rebuilding it.

so i prefer to wait. you seem fair and honest on your call, seems to know your car to. i don't have that much to put on car for now, so when i'll be ready i'll call you back, if you still have the car.. instead of taking your time, good luck with your sale

as for the crack or separate thing, remind you that my english isn't perfect......

sorry about the inconvenient i may have caused, but i had no bad intentions...
only search for the best 914 i can affordnot only to buy, but to maintain and ride!

As far as myself, I do not care if a car is a factory six or a conversion, as long as the conversion is done well. I think many conversions are better than "real" sixes.

I simply want a car that is safe, dependable and fast. My experience in getting there is that these are very costly cars.

IMO, the parts alone here are worth the money. I'd love to see pictures of the 10K real sixes, and the receipts for the following two years.

From looks of my email I guess I pissed Farley off, sorry dude that was not the intent. Do the emails stop now?

All 914's are "money pits" to some extent, even the best ones. This site is about advice, opinions, and free speech. An opinion was asked and opinions were given, but in the end it's the buyers decision.
That is not going to change.

$8000. ($6000US) is not a bad price for /6 project car in Canada, what I was saying is the buyer could have double that (or more) into it when completed. One thing if you are trying to sell your /6 you may want to update or delete your project site.
Another is the engine is not finished and running, why? Did the cam timing scare you?
If the buyer was to bring the engine to me to finish I will not touch it, not without a complete teardown and inspection. The liability is just too great.

Check the /6 out, I could be wrong, it wouldn't be the first time or last.

Nuff said.

I need to clearly step down from my admin position for a minute.

Here goes.



I guess I'm seriously pretending. I'm looking at a 72 1.7 right now. A nice clean 72 1.7 can be a heck of a lot of fun. Does it have a /6 in the back? No, but that doesn't mean that it can't be a cool daily driver. Who are you to crap on someone else's cars?



-The 914 is the one subject that Brad is always serious about. Why have they come down? The same reason that you can get a mortgage for a pittance: ebb and flow of the economy.

-Rusted /4s? Unless I'm mistaken, your (914/4) chassis was built in the 70s, too, and has the same tendencies towards rust issues. In general, the original /6s were better taken care of over the years.

-I'll take my "wimpy" 2.0/6 over some half-assembled, thermal reactor cooked 2.7 with unknown pedigree, thank you.

You probably have a good deal going... but your attitude sucks. Get off your high horse... you're SELLING your 914. Don't attack others who are currently enjoying theirs.

Good luck selling your pile of parts. You can use the money to buy a Mustang or Vette, which you obviously should be driving.

-Rusty

Hi guys me again the seller. What pissed me off is that people are making comments about a car that they didnt see. And that they cant read either ALL the ionfos on that car that i gave the seller. And that between the line you are judged as someone who wants to screw a newbie???? Maybe it is that its not the right 914 for him, and that id agree.

This thread was started in my back. Imagine my surprise when a friend of mine mentionned to me that people were jerking off my back, without taking informations first.
The problem is that i tried to be honest with the car. Its not pristine, But its no crap either.

Your comments --vs--> what i said about

Comments: 2.7 stud-pulling overheated
What i wrote: many times i mentionned that the engine was rebuilded, receipts to prove it and that the 7R case was case-saved, with new studs.

Comments: There are way too many nice cars out there for sale other than this overpriced pile of parts
What i wrote: that pile of parts worths much more than 6K isnt it?
Maybe in the US there are such examples. But i imported many cars in Canada and you have to add 15% (1K US$) only to import it. Does it worth it? Dont forget Canada market is way different that in the US where 914s abound.

Comments: You probably have a good deal going... but your attitude sucks. Get off your high horse... you're SELLING your 914. Don't attack others who are currently enjoying theirs.
Good luck selling your pile of parts. You can use the money to buy a Mustang or Vette, which you obviously should be driving.
What i wrote: That one kills me.... My attitude sucks. What if id say that your car is crap, that its way overpriced, that people should run from it???? And that i didnt even know the car? Do you judge by my web site where i described how i did it?

Anyhow, ive learned a few things. First is that i made a mistake trying to sell a non-finished project. Ill finish it and keep you posted.

Thanks to all, i do think that this fuss is all about misleading infos and/or comments. I am not angry nor mad at anyone. Maybe a bit frustrated.

If i offended Bleyseng or Mark Henry, please take these words as personal apologies. If i emailed privatly, i didnt wanted to reply to the forum for personal comments.

Best to all.

A car already in Canada has easy title transfer and no customs hassles.
You save possibly $3000 in delivery costs from California.
Most conversions started with bigger engines and engines are likely in much better condition.
Most conversions have two movable seats.
Most conversions already have a bunch of improvements added.

Still, an original six has some cache, and I am looking anyway.


Geoff, That is a little uncalled for. Some guys pour their heart and soul into a car. Your words do not impress me at all. You need the nomex. Every car is a good deal at some price. Just because you Yanks cooked your 2.7 engines does not mean to say everyone did. Same thing with 2.0 /4 heads; cracked heads here are very uncommon.

DaveP

I wouldn't take it personal, there are people on here who flame all cars that aren't theirs or their buddies.