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jsayre914
Great progress Yesterday, NO pics

Picked up the engine, got it into the garage. Started to dress the engine with the D-jet. Got all the vacume hosees on, fuel lines (ran out of high pressure hose sad.gif ) got the alternator hooked up, runners, intake, dual pressure sender.

Had a question on the sender. It is a metal hose that sticks up and the end of the hose has a small coupler then the sender threads to that. The question is, why is there almost 1/4 inch gap when the sender is threaded all the way till it is tight. Is that normal? I used a tiny amount od red gasket maker on the thread. is that good?

next question

I am missing the decel valve, and I remember that it is not necessary. What is the correct way to bypass this, connect the two larger vacume hoses togeather and plug the smaller hose that come off the intake?

next question

I can find the firing order but i forget if the distributor spins clockwise or counterclockwise smoke.gif I dont want to get the plug wires wrong

Next question

What gauge wires to run for the oil pressure sender to the gauge and same thing from the fuel pressure sender to the gauge up front?

last question

Do I use a sealent when putting the sensor on the bung from the tail pipe, if so what type. This is for the oxygen sensor

More questions to come. biggrin.gif


I am very very close


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TheCabinetmaker
No decel? Just plug all the ports on the plenum that you don't use.

clockwise. 1-4-3-2

Edited: cause I'm a dumbass sometimes
Valy
QUOTE(jsayre914 @ Apr 4 2012, 08:27 AM) *

Had a question on the sender. It is a metal hose that sticks up and the end of the hose has a small coupler then the sender threads to that. The question is, why is there almost 1/4 inch gap when the sender is threaded all the way till it is tight. Is that normal? I used a tiny amount od red gasket maker on the thread. is that good?


Is that the oil pressure sender? Is it original or are you trying to fit a non metric thread into a metric thread?
jsayre914
QUOTE(Valy @ Apr 4 2012, 12:33 PM) *

QUOTE(jsayre914 @ Apr 4 2012, 08:27 AM) *

Had a question on the sender. It is a metal hose that sticks up and the end of the hose has a small coupler then the sender threads to that. The question is, why is there almost 1/4 inch gap when the sender is threaded all the way till it is tight. Is that normal? I used a tiny amount od red gasket maker on the thread. is that good?


Is that the oil pressure sender? Is it original or are you trying to fit a non metric thread into a metric thread?


Its the dual sender, not original. I bought the kit wich relocates the sender away from the distributor so i can use the idiot light and the gauge
rwilner
QUOTE(jsayre914 @ Apr 4 2012, 11:27 AM) *

Great progress Yesterday, NO pics

Picked up the engine, got it into the garage. Started to dress the engine with the D-jet. Got all the vacume hosees on, fuel lines (ran out of high pressure hose sad.gif ) got the alternator hooked up, runners, intake, dual pressure sender.

Had a question on the sender. It is a metal hose that sticks up and the end of the hose has a small coupler then the sender threads to that. The question is, why is there almost 1/4 inch gap when the sender is threaded all the way till it is tight. Is that normal? I used a tiny amount od red gasket maker on the thread. is that good?


This is what mine looks like, I think the gasket sealer is OK but wasn't needed as these are NPT tapered threads that should be self-sealing.

QUOTE


What gauge wires to run for the oil pressure sender to the gauge and same thing from the fuel pressure sender to the gauge up front?


I used 18 gauge hook up wire. There's no current going through these wires so you could probably use 22 gauge with no problems.

QUOTE

last question

Do I use a sealent when putting the sensor on the bung from the tail pipe, if so what type. This is for the oxygen sensor


No sealant necessary -- there should be a crush washer on the O2 sensor (just like your spark plugs) -- but I would put a dab of antiseize on the O2 sensor threads (again, just like your spark plugs).
jsayre914
got it!

Thanks for the replys.


Next question:

Initial startup is confusing to me. I put the break in oil in. Pull the plugs and disconnect the coil. Crank the engine till i get pressure. Then put the plugs back hook up the coil and start the car up from the cockpit for 2500 rpm for 20min.

No problem

Except

How do i check for oil leaks when i am sitting in the car holding the gas. AND How do I setup the initial timing while doing all of this.

Should the timing be set right away??

Seems like a lot to do for 1 guy, almost impossible

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bohalrantipol
Get a 2nd guy? confused24.gif

QUOTE(jsayre914 @ Apr 5 2012, 01:02 PM) *

got it!

Thanks for the replys.


Next question:

Initial startup is confusing to me. I put the break in oil in. Pull the plugs and disconnect the coil. Crank the engine till i get pressure. Then put the plugs back hook up the coil and start the car up from the cockpit for 2500 rpm for 20min.

No problem

Except

How do i check for oil leaks when i am sitting in the car holding the gas. AND How do I setup the initial timing while doing all of this.

Should the timing be set right away??

Seems like a lot to do for 1 guy, almost impossible

confused24.gif

jsayre914
QUOTE(bohalrantipol @ Apr 5 2012, 04:03 PM) *

Get a 2nd guy? confused24.gif


So it cannot be done with 1 guy?

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VaccaRabite
Start the car with the deck lid open. Get out and walk to the engine bay.
Hold open the throttle while looking at the tach through the rear window to ~2500 rmp. clamp it just strong enough to keep it from slipping with some vise-grips or a C-clamp.

Zach
Black22
I'm doing this in the next week or so too. What about the timing issue? I was wondering that too Joseph.
VaccaRabite
for timing, hold timing at 3500 rpm from the engine bay (you will get to know when the rpm is right by the sound of the engine) and shoot your timing light down the hole. Adjust timing, and do it again. Faster with 2 people, but most of the time I have done it its just been me.

Zach
jsayre914
QUOTE(Vacca Rabite @ Apr 6 2012, 10:09 AM) *

for timing, hold timing at 3500 rpm from the engine bay (you will get to know when the rpm is right by the sound of the engine) and shoot your timing light down the hole. Adjust timing, and do it again. Faster with 2 people, but most of the time I have done it its just been me.

Zach


I was told to keep the rpm at 2500 but the timing on my engine is 3500, is it O.K. to hold the engine at 3500 for a few min? And I was thinking, the clamp idea is a cool idea, but, when I adjust the position of the distributor as I remember it affects idle pretty good.


I am gonna try it, but Id love to hear some more of these tricks.

Oh yeah, after you start the car, you would have to let go of the throttle to jump out and grab the cable in the engine bay. Is it O.K. to idle for that min also, right after initial startup?

I know i am begining to get a little anal rolleyes.gif



Thank you
VaccaRabite
Once you have done the 20 minute cam break in, you should be fine. Just make sure break the cam in first.

Zach
ChrisFoley
Take a minute to set the timing approximately. You don't need it to be right on - only close.
That will also give you an opportunity to check for big leaks.
Then move right on to the cam break-in phase.
jsayre914
Few Pics for Ya.

The engine is ready to go back in. piratenanner.gif
I have been busy doing other projects on dry.gif the house. so no start yet. Tommorow is a new day smile.gif

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Bleyseng
Looks nice! Start it up!
jsayre914
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First Drive !!!!

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WWWWEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE


I have adjusted the timing valves etc. Car runs very smooth at idle. There is some bucking at high speeds, I forget what causes that. TPS? its a brand new board. And I noticed that I cant keep idle after engine is hot, keeps stalling. WTF.gif

I was gonna adjust the bypass screw, but why does it idle perfect when cold? I did try the ecu knob fully in both direction with no change.



I love this engine, it has power in every gear, thats insane happy11.gif
FourBlades

Congratulations on the first drive! smilie_pokal.gif

That is a great looking engine, I am sure folks here will help you get your idle under control.

I have been following this build since you started.

John
rwilner
QUOTE(jsayre914 @ Apr 16 2012, 11:57 AM) *

Car runs very smooth at idle.

[...]

And I noticed that I cant keep idle after engine is hot, keeps stalling. WTF.gif

I was gonna adjust the bypass screw, but why does it idle perfect when cold? I did try the ecu knob fully in both direction with no change.


What's the idle rpm when cold?

This could be a few things.

It could be your idle adjustment screw. Your idle could be good when cold because the AAR is open...when it closes, the screw could be so tight that there's not enough air getting in.

Another cause could be your CHT. You have a 73 2.0L which has several one-year-only DJet parts. Do you have the correct -017 CHT with the spacer and resistor? The correct ECU? The correct -037 MPS?

If it runs good cold and not right warm, look at the temperature-dependent parts.

I'm sure others with more experience will chime in...might want to start a separate tweaking / tuning thread.
saigon71
Joe:

Congrats on your build...just in time for Hershey!

I look forward to hearing this beast run.

Catch you Saturday,

Bob
TheCabinetmaker

Ecu knob won't affect idle speed, just mixture, but it will cause it to hunt for idle. If it doenst hunt when leaned out with the knob them the tps is suspect. I installed one of those new boards and had the exact problem. Switched tps and it ran great. And you are right the 2056 is a fun driver. I love mine so much I wanna do a 2270 now.
hot_shoe914
Way to go Joe, look forward to my 3 laps around the parking lot. poke.gif I know you are loving all that extra power. Hell, you have enough power now to haul around some more stereo components. aktion035.gif
jsayre914
Dyno Results. (not Bad) smile.gif

I got 2 pages from Tony, but no graph dry.gif

I did a search for a stock 2.0 d-jet Dyno graph, then I added my numbers to the chart by hand and connected the dots for comparison.

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Yellow =HP

Purple = Torque

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jsayre914
You could even say that this motor is OFF THE CHRTS ! biggrin.gif
VaccaRabite
That is fantastic.

Zach
saigon71
Welcome back Joe! beerchug.gif

Awesome DYNO results!
mepstein
When's the six going in?
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