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QUOTE(Gustl @ Mar 4 2012, 02:16 PM) *

now it's definitely clear that the Pedrinis were added later
this one is a MY'73 Pedrini sunglasses.gif


Wolfgang, once again you are correct. The mfg mark on the back side of the wheels indicate an 06/72 manufacturing date.

Paul
6freak
QUOTE(1970 Neun vierzehn @ Mar 4 2012, 06:17 PM) *

QUOTE(6freak @ Mar 4 2012, 03:45 PM) *

QUOTE(Pat Garvey @ Mar 4 2012, 02:15 PM) *

QUOTE(6freak @ Mar 4 2012, 01:37 PM) *

lenses and the 914 badge seems wrong ...shouldnt it read 1.7?
fun stuff
MikeC smile.gif

They didn't add the "1.7" until MY73

MY73 confused24.gif Good catch on the valance appears to be a six valance but the hole seems a little more to the right then a six ...O the jack is supposed to have a piece of foam rubber stuff under it on the finder not the trunk floor......
MikeC


Mike,
There is a piece of felt that matches the trunk material located on the side, just where the end of the jack point almost touches it. The pre-resto photo shows it better.

The valance is an early /4 valence.

Paul

not what i was look n at and never seen anything in that area ...is it a stock piece.......the one i was talk n about gos on the finder just under the top of the jack ....mite be something PO put on mine to help protect the paint ....the earlie 4 bangers had a port hole valance ....I did not know that ...i thought it was only the 6 model...still learn n
whats MY73.??.... Manufacturing Year 1973

MikeC smile.gif
Gustl
QUOTE(6freak @ Mar 5 2012, 03:52 AM) *

whats MY73.??.... Manufacturing Year 1973


modely year '73 => that's from August 1972 up to July 1973
6freak
QUOTE(6freak @ Mar 4 2012, 06:52 PM) *

QUOTE(1970 Neun vierzehn @ Mar 4 2012, 06:17 PM) *

QUOTE(6freak @ Mar 4 2012, 03:45 PM) *

QUOTE(Pat Garvey @ Mar 4 2012, 02:15 PM) *

QUOTE(6freak @ Mar 4 2012, 01:37 PM) *

lenses and the 914 badge seems wrong ...shouldnt it read 1.7?
fun stuff
MikeC smile.gif

They didn't add the "1.7" until MY73

MY73 confused24.gif Good catch on the valance appears to be a six valance but the hole seems a little more to the right then a six ...O the jack is supposed to have a piece of foam rubber stuff under it on the finder not the trunk floor......
MikeC


Mike,
There is a piece of felt that matches the trunk material located on the side, just where the end of the jack point almost touches it. The pre-resto photo shows it better.

The valance is an early /4 valence.

Paul

not what i was look n at and never seen anything in that area ...is it a stock piece.......the one i was talk n about gos on the finder just under the top of the jack ....mite be something PO put on mine to help protect the paint ....the earlie 4 bangers had a port hole valance ....I did not know that ...i thought it was only the 6 model...still learn n
whats MY73.??.... Manufacturing Year 1973

MikeC smile.gif

and the O ring is missing from the top of the jack as well...noticed i have one on mine last night
sixerdon
Confirming Paul's comments......

Rear trunk carpets came without the grommets in MY '70 & '71. Maybe '72 prior to moving the jack?

The plastic edge protectors in the front trunk holes were not installed on early cars. Not sure when they first appeared. They are on my '75.

The seam sealer on my Jan '70 /6 was also brushed on. A very light application much like Paul's. My 'March '70 /6 has all appearances of being sprayed on.

The small piece of "trunk material" or carpet/felt near the jack spur is glued to the side of the fender. Both of my /6's and my '71 /4 parts car all have/had this piece. AFAIK, that piece was always installed with the early jacks and can be seen in owner's manuals of the era. Over the years they fell off and/or was discarded. IMO, this is a small but important detail on all /6's and /4's that can easily be missed.

The towing eye on /6's was stored in it's own pouch in the /6 tool kit. The /4 eyes ended up anywhere in the car. Probably why so many were lost.

Hope this helps.
Don
Pat Garvey
QUOTE(6freak @ Mar 4 2012, 06:45 PM) *

QUOTE(Pat Garvey @ Mar 4 2012, 02:15 PM) *

QUOTE(6freak @ Mar 4 2012, 01:37 PM) *

lenses and the 914 badge seems wrong ...shouldnt it read 1.7?
fun stuff
MikeC smile.gif

They didn't add the "1.7" until MY73

MY73 confused24.gif Good catch on the valance appears to be a six valance but the hole seems a little more to the right then a six ...O the jack is supposed to have a piece of foam rubber stuff under it on the finder not the trunk floor
MikeC

The early fours HAD the snowplow valance (thru MY72). There was a specific one for 4's and 6's. They are extremely rare - took me six years to find a replacement for my 72. It is real,unmodified, and definitely NOT bogus.
Pat Garvey
QUOTE(1970 Neun vierzehn @ Mar 4 2012, 08:39 PM) *

QUOTE(SirAndy @ Mar 4 2012, 02:16 PM) *

QUOTE(1970 Neun vierzehn @ Mar 4 2012, 10:55 AM) *

without the carpet (w/ stain that I can't get out)

The seam sealer around the rear shock towers does not look original. It should have been sprayed on, not brushed.

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Sir Andy,
I understand that the early production cars had the seam sealer applied by hand with a brush, rather than the typically seen, later style sprayed app.
The accompanying pic shows the rear trunk before restoration.

Paul

Agree with this! Brush was used on early cars. Not certain when the change was made, but my late 72 definitely was sprayed.
Pat Garvey
Good on ya Paul! We should do more of these & never, ever nail anything.
Pat
1970 Neun vierzehn
Before we go inside to the passenger compartment and engine bay, we will review the cowl area. Remember, this is a fairly early production car so there is a least one thing "missing" that later cars had installed.

First an overview.......
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detail, outside.......
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w/s washer bottle side.....
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along the centerline......
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brake reservoir side....
sixerdon
QUOTE(1970 Neun vierzehn @ Mar 5 2012, 04:40 PM) *

detail, outside.......



Confirmed there was no screen below the grill on early cars through '72, I believe.

Here's a question for you, Paul.........are those nuts on the wiper arm black or natural alum color?

Don
SirAndy
QUOTE(1970 Neun vierzehn @ Mar 4 2012, 05:39 PM) *
QUOTE(SirAndy @ Mar 4 2012, 02:16 PM) *

QUOTE(1970 Neun vierzehn @ Mar 4 2012, 10:55 AM) *

without the carpet (w/ stain that I can't get out)

The seam sealer around the rear shock towers does not look original. It should have been sprayed on, not brushed.

shades.gif


Sir Andy,
I understand that the early production cars had the seam sealer applied by hand with a brush, rather than the typically seen, later style sprayed app.
The accompanying pic shows the rear trunk before restoration.

Paul

My '70 /4 has the seam sealer sprayed on ... idea.gif

Anyone know when they switched? Must have been somewhat early in '70.
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tod914
Paul, I don't know enough about the 70 model year to be certian about some front trunk differences than in post 70, but a few things that jump out on me are; 1. No label on the gas tank evaporator 2. Silver painted gas strap hardware instead of yellow cad plated 3. Gas tank with spot for charcol canister (I guess the tank was designed with the idea to accomodate the canister in the future?) 4. Brake fluid resevoir and cap are different than mid & late year cars. Your car looks fantastic btw Paul. Top notch job on the paint and body work.
1970 Neun vierzehn
Don,
You noticed the lack of a screen clap56.gif , yet another "missing" item on early cars. And there is another "omission" further on in this thread, as we shall see (or not see as the case may be).
The nuts for the wiper arms are natural metal (I'm supposing aluminum).

Sir Andy,
Years ago, before the resto on this car, I took the 914 into a respected body shop that specialized in 356s and early, air-cooled VWs. As the owner/main body man evaluated the car, he inspected the rear trunk and pronounced that this (my 914) was an early production model because the seam sealer was obviously hand applied with a brush, and a rather meager application at that.
That was the very first time that I even noticed that anomily. That was also prior to my participating in any 914 Forums. Later, through these same Forums, I've heard accounts of similar hand application of seam sealer on early cars. As to when the folks in Osnabruck started spraying the sealer on seems to be one of those questions that can only be answered by examining MY70 cars and comparing build dates on chassis #s.

Todd,
No labels ever in the cowl, not even on the w/s washer bottle.
The fuel tank strap has always been silver.
There has never been a charcoal canister on this car (an early 49 state example)
Yes, I understand later 914s had a slightly different brake fluid reservoir.


For comparison purposes, here are some pics PRE-RESTO of the cowl area:
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AARGH

mad.gif I just now noticed......................I did have a sticker on the w/s washer bottle.
I wonder if an early one is available idea.gif
SirAndy
QUOTE(1970 Neun vierzehn @ Mar 6 2012, 05:39 PM) *
I did have a sticker on the w/s washer bottle.

Look in the car, it might just have fallen off ...
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Before we go inside the passenger compartment, a quick look at the door jambs and door sill is in order.
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looking inside.......
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.........
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from another angle......
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dashboard fascia
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and....
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seats
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center tray.....
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interior light
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recepticle for the drivers' side (only) seatbelt
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early top, w/o headliner
Gustl
obviously the steering wheel is not factory original,
as well as the knob between the headlight switch and the emergency flasher switch

1970 Neun vierzehn
QUOTE(Gustl @ Mar 9 2012, 09:40 PM) *

obviously the steering wheel is not factory original,
as well as the knob between the headlight switch and the emergency flasher switch


The steering wheel is period correct biggrin.gif . I changed the wheel shortly after buying the car because the leather on the OEM wheel was deteriorating and the thicker, smaller diameter wheel felt better when I autocrossed the car back in the '70s and '80s.

The fog light switch is "original" to a point. It comes with a story. The car was ordered with the "appearance package". It arrived in late March 1970 with chrome bumpers, vinyl on the rollbar, leather wrapped steering wheel, dual horns, but without fog lights and the tethered passenger footrest. It also came with 4.5" wheels instead of the 5.5" wheels, (both sizes steel, of course).
The dealer installed the fog lights and the switch for them. I've been advised on this Forum that the fog light switch is correct, but that it is missing the cover and the rubber surrounding it. Since that is the way it was delivered originally, I've left it alone. A small anomilie, yes. And a good catch on your part, Wolfgang.

Paul
1970 Neun vierzehn
I suppose some photos of the engine compartment are in order to finish this thread. Getting really good pics within the confines of the engine bay is always a challenge. Remember, this is a 1970/4.
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more....
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details
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details
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These last two pics show the engine cover removed and incorrect heater blower hose. The correct hose was installed subsequent to when these photos were taken.
Also of note, the oil bath orientation was corrected to what was illustrated previously.
6freak
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[quote name='6freak' post='1638913' date='Mar 4 2012, 01:37 PM']
lenses and the 914 badge seems wrong ...shouldnt it read 1.7?
fun stuff
MikeC smile.gif
[/quote]
They didn't add the "1.7" until MY73
[/quote]
MY73 confused24.gif Good catch on the valance appears to be a six valance but the hole seems a little more to the right then a six ...O the jack is supposed to have a piece of foam rubber stuff under it on the finder not the trunk floor......
MikeC
[/quote]

Mike,
There is a piece of felt that matches the trunk material located on the side, just where the end of the jack point almost touches it. The pre-resto photo shows it better.

The valance is an early /4 valence.

Paul
[/quote]
not what i was look n at and never seen anything in that area ...is it a stock piece.......the one i was talk n about gos on the finder just under the top of the jack ....mite be something PO put on mine to help protect the paint ....the earlie 4 bangers had a port hole valance ....I did not know that ...i thought it was only the 6 model...still learn n
whats MY73.??.... Manufacturing Year 1973

MikeC smile.gif
[/quote]
and the O ring is missing from the top of the jack as well...noticed i have one on mine last night
[/quote]
Click to view attachment this is the rubber and O-ring i spoke of
Jasfsmith
Missing rubber band to hold the battery cover down. Also I didn't see the rubber retained at the lever end of the jack.

Jasfsmith
QUOTE(1970 Neun vierzehn @ Mar 9 2012, 11:39 PM) *

looking inside.......


Missing the plug that covers the armrest attachment screw. Yes?
Jasfsmith
QUOTE(1970 Neun vierzehn @ Mar 9 2012, 11:47 PM) *

seats


Seat belt safety manufacture labels missing.

Damn nice car BTW.
Jasfsmith
QUOTE(1970 Neun vierzehn @ Mar 4 2012, 01:55 AM) *

This is an ez change to spot.....


Wrong tire profile.

VERY nice car.

Maybe I missed it. What color are the front hood to hinge bolts?
1970 Neun vierzehn
[quote name='6freak' date='Mar 15 2012, 05:34 AM' post='1646175']


MikeC smile.gif
[/quote]
and the O ring is missing from the top of the jack as well...noticed i have one on mine last night
[/quote]
Click to view attachment this is the rubber and O-ring i spoke of
[/quote]

I don't ever recall seeing that before idea.gif uh.....what's it for? and how can I ever hope to obtain one? Thanks for the "catch".

Paul
1970 Neun vierzehn
QUOTE(Jasfsmith @ Mar 15 2012, 09:27 AM) *

Missing rubber band to hold the battery cover down. Also I didn't see the rubber retained at the lever end of the jack.


The missing rubber band for the battery cover......wasn't on when I purchased the car in 1975. The rubber retainer for the jack disintegrated long ago.

The list of unobtainium parts grows......
1-early rain tray
2-holster (sheath, or recepticle) for drivers side seatbelt
3-rubber band for early battery cover
4-rubber retainer(s) for early jack

Paul
1970 Neun vierzehn
QUOTE(Jasfsmith @ Mar 15 2012, 09:29 AM) *

QUOTE(1970 Neun vierzehn @ Mar 9 2012, 11:39 PM) *

looking inside.......


Missing the plug that covers the armrest attachment screw. Yes?


Don't recall ever seeing them on the armrest, but it would seem that there would be something covering the screws. Hmmmmm, more missing minutia.

Paul
1970 Neun vierzehn
QUOTE(Jasfsmith @ Mar 15 2012, 09:33 AM) *

QUOTE(1970 Neun vierzehn @ Mar 9 2012, 11:47 PM) *

seats


Seat belt safety manufacture labels missing.




The labels became frayed and torn and ragged looking, so I removed them completely.

The front trunk hinge bolts are "finished" like the front latch bolts, cadmium, I presume....

Paul
6freak
[quote name='1970 Neun vierzehn' date='Mar 15 2012, 06:50 PM' post='1646794']
[quote name='6freak' date='Mar 15 2012, 05:34 AM' post='1646175']


MikeC smile.gif
[/quote]
and the O ring is missing from the top of the jack as well...noticed i have one on mine last night
[/quote]
Click to view attachment this is the rubber and O-ring i spoke of
[/quote]

I don't ever recall seeing that before idea.gif uh.....what's it for? and how can I ever hope to obtain one? Thanks for the "catch".

Paul
[/quote]
its the only one i have seen like this ...note sure if is stock ..its to protect from paint chips and the O -ring was supposed to keep the jack from making contact with the body when jacking up the car..so i have been told
MikeC smile.gif
Jasfsmith
QUOTE(1970 Neun vierzehn @ Mar 15 2012, 09:58 PM) *

QUOTE(Jasfsmith @ Mar 15 2012, 09:27 AM) *

Missing rubber band to hold the battery cover down. Also I didn't see the rubber retained at the lever end of the jack.


The missing rubber band for the battery cover......wasn't on when I purchased the car in 1975. The rubber retainer for the jack disintegrated long ago.

The list of unobtainium parts grows......
1-early rain tray
2-holster (sheath, or recepticle) for drivers side seatbelt
3-rubber band for early battery cover
4-rubber retainer(s) for early jack

Paul


AA has the rubber band for the early battery cover last I checked.

Not OEM but take a piece of the battery acid pads and cut it to the profile of the battery cover, and insert it in to the underside of the cover before clamping it to the battery with the rubber band. Any spills and vapors are caught by the pad and keeps the battery clean of acid.
1970 Neun vierzehn
QUOTE(Jasfsmith @ Mar 16 2012, 05:28 AM) *



AA has the rubber band for the early battery cover last I checked.

Not OEM but take a piece of the battery acid pads and cut it to the profile of the battery cover, and insert it in to the underside of the cover before clamping it to the battery with the rubber band. Any spills and vapors are caught by the pad and keeps the battery clean of acid.


Interesting hint,....is that something you have done to keep your PCA Parade winning 914 looking nice in the engine compartment?

I've never been able to visualize how the "rubber band" fastens the early battery cover confused24.gif Care to expound on that topic James? I have never seen it in person or illustrated.

Thanks for the tips.

Paul
1970 Neun vierzehn
[quote name='6freak' date='Mar 15 2012, 07:47 PM' post='1646869']
[quote name='1970 Neun vierzehn' date='Mar 15 2012, 06:50 PM' post='1646794']
[quote name='6freak' date='Mar 15 2012, 05:34 AM' post='1646175']


MikeC smile.gif
[/quote]
and the O ring is missing from the top of the jack as well...noticed i have one on mine last night
[/quote]
Click to view attachment this is the rubber and O-ring i spoke of
[/quote]

I don't ever recall seeing that before idea.gif uh.....what's it for? and how can I ever hope to obtain one? Thanks for the "catch".

Paul
[/quote]
its the only one i have seen like this ...note sure if is stock ..its to protect from paint chips and the O -ring was supposed to keep the jack from making contact with the body when jacking up the car..so i have been told
MikeC smile.gif
[/quote]

A very curious concept that makes sense, but one I've never heard of before. The first (and only owner besides me) of my car told me that when the car was delivered on 01 April 1970, there was no cover over the relay board! That the relay board would not have a cover on it, as it is exposed to a rather harsh environment, but the engineers would "spec" a rubber O-ring on the jack to protect the paint...... screwy.gif

The aforementioned previous owner also told me that his (now mine) 914 was delivered w/o the curious tethered footrest, hence I've never retrofitted said item.
These early cars were full of anomilies, both /4s and /6s.

Thanks for the feedback.

Paul
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