Quit fooling around and give us details! Pictures! Suspects!

Something! PLEASE?

Is this it?

http://www.hemmings.com/classifieds/dealer...-6/1830699.html

Nope ...

http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?sho...=115069&hl=

Is this the thread?

Looks like the cat rust is out of the bag!



Also worth noting that the "before" pictures you see there of the Gold Metallic original car were taken *before* it was cut up for parts in 2009.

Wrong rivets and the sticker looks suspect... I do not believe this is the gold car. Too many pics of the silver roller...

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You mean like silver factory paint under 40 years of dirt everywhere.

Plus, my favorite, the very obvious signs of removed /4 engine mounts.

But most importantly, read the 2009 Ad for the stash of parts carefully:
http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?act...mp;viewid=12319


There was no gold car left to restore ...

Sad part is that in his zombie 914-6 build thread, most of you turkeys were buttering him up. Someone should have called him out. Now there is a fake -6 out there and someone will get suckered.

People suck!

I'd hate to be the owner of that 'original' 6. Not too much value in a fake.

Dave

It doesnt look like he ever (in his build thread) claimed it to be an original -6, though he certainly let everyone believe that. It was pretty obvious but at the price it sold in '14 its not too far out of range IMO, but it definitely is now... sucks for whoever bought it in 2014

His 2nd post in his build thread:

VIN 9141430205


Looks like a pretty strong claim to me ...

Err isn't that a felony?

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I remember this thread and had a hinkie feeling something wasn't right about it all those years ago. I wondered then about the pics and no one said anything, so I thought there has to be a fountain of knowledge here that isn't acknowledging what I suspect,
the story:
It was too smooth.... too good to be true.

What's going on with the car today ? Is the current owner on the Forums and where is the previous owner ?

Basic Google search on

porsche 914-6 vin 9141430205

pulls this page up right away http://www.2040-cars.com/Porsche/914/zombie-914-6-284468/

You would hope that a potential buyer does a Google search on their soon to be ride, nothing from 914world in the results though?

But in all fairness, read post #49 on the thread. The guy who wrote it is sure one cynical pita.

Yeah, also check out Post #53 - 15% original, 85% fabrication. Looks like fabrication is the operative word.

Zombie fabrication

That is BS. And I would assume ILLEGAL in CA as mentioned before.

And a '71 too...someone thinks they have a rare treasure. What they have is a nice 914-4 conversion car with a rare VIN number added to the tub.

I'm new enough here to be unsure of how this has been dealt with in the past, but I think someone with good evidence should drop a message at the 'complaint' tab on the page at the link in SixerJ's post.

If enough people are making a noise about it, the problem should take care of itself.

This looks like an intentional fraud by some jerk (disclaimer: I only joined the forum a couple of months ago, I don't know this member, and have no idea if he actually . Appears he might do, if he sold that zombie as the real thing, though)... If it is, the facts are out there. The new owner may look the car up by the VIN again, join the forum, or something.

He or she will see and sue, and we can , , and feel good that maybe we helped.

-- Whit

Yepp, several of us suspected something fishy but at the time, it was his "dream car" that he built for himself and he wasn't trying to sell it.


Funny, when i added the 2009 Ad to the VIN database, i wrote:

Done!

Sale site pulled down.

Wow. Nice job Matlock

I'm a shit disturber...

That fine young fellow will be far more difficult to find now.

There are some LEO's on this board who might want to visit him...

-4 engine mount removal...

According to several friends I have, people who proudly wear the banner you use as an avatar consider shit disturbing to be an occupational advantage...

Thanks for your service Mike. I hope you have overcome and healed from any and all of the trauma such service can involve.

Also, I am glad to have had an idea someone thought was useful, for once...

-- Whit

Thanks Andy, I'm up to date now.

Is there a way Andy to link this thread to the other Black list thread so the two are intertwined ?

Just so it's easier to reference the thread which precipitated the need for the origination of that black list ?

I seem to recall a yellow "six" being built by a member here and the build thread stopped when someone pointed out the /4 engine mounts on his freshly painted "six" tub. I wonder what happened to that car...

In his 2014 ebay ad he said this...

*To build a car like this would take 90 to $100,000 dollars...And most likely it would be a conversion car...

This is implying his car is the real deal

Hey Guys,

First off, thanks for bringing this to my attention. Yes, I did combine two cars and yes I was discrete about it because I was told when I went to licenses it that the CHP was going to crush it after 2 1/2 years of rust work!!! I was terrified. Not of going to jail but because I was afraid my dream car was going to get destroyed and I'd never get to use it. Thank you SirAndy for pointing out that I never intended to sell it! I didn't sell it because I wanted to, I honestly didn't even need them money!! I sold it because my friend did! We split the money and when I gave that friend half I went to Las Vegas with the other half and blew it all because I wanted that car since I was 14 years old and bought my first 1975 914 2.0 (WITH PAPERROUTE MONEY)! At the time I felt like my life was over (2014)!! In the end my friend felt so bad she gave me her half back but it was too late! So, yes I built a 1971 914-6 back from the dead (hence the zombie 914-6 nomenclature and insiders all new this) and yes I sold it for 36k but I also had it advertised for 75k and took it down! I honestly got more calls on it then and I don't care that I could have sold it for 75 and I really feel bad that the new owner didn't fully get 914's!! I didn't want to sell it (I'll yell it from the mountain tops!).

All that being said, if I could find the new owner and I could buy it back I would for the exact same amount! I bought it because I wouldn't take a 911T engine from a 914-6, especially a '71, I would ONLY do it to a junked 914-6 which was what I did. Sue me, jail me, hang me from my neck until dead, but I would have done it ALL again, but I did my best to sell it honestly without getting it crushed!!! I truly would't have sold it, though, since I got the money back and bought a piece of junk car which I promptly returned after using for a few miles because it was too expensive and I couldn't trade it for another porsche because the porsche seller quickly found out it was in a wreck. I still owe on that wrecked (it was showing an insurance payout on the carfaxand from before I bought it and I got it at a non-porsche factory dealership as a certified pre-owned (non porsche). Not that the car looked or drove wrecked but still THAT wasn't cool, it became impossible to sell after that and my rule is never to buy a car you can't sell for at least what you pay and to sell a car that was my dream to own since I was old enough to drive and was the apex of my first car in HS; no money was enough tbh! 20k in fact I still owe. If I hadn't sold the 914 I wouldn't owe that 20k! Holy cow, but people warned me not to restore that car...which I did anyway since I love 914's and people remember things like this, obviously! Which is why I posted pics and told the story when I finished it just in case I ever did have to sell it (can anyone remember me asking if it was possible to change that last vin? if so, you know what I chose). So people wouldn't do what some are calling for jail for. Yes, people do awful things for profit but I'm happy to say I'm not one of them! If I am, jail me, I didn't mean to be, that's honest! I simply built a car that I couldn't afford any other way...it cost me about 36k to build and exactly one good friendship which is the biggest crime. I miss my car and my friend very much.

Once I sold a 914 conversion with a 3.2 and the new owner wanted me to reseal the engine about a year or so later (maybe even six months). I told him no and that was because I had let the Porsche dealership inspect it for like 2 days and he asked for new seat belts, which it promptly installed myself! In fact! I wish I could have installed George's awesome retractible seat belts like I had in the Zombie! Those made me feel safer as did Eric's rebuilt (excuse me, restored) 911 Carrera brakes! yes, I learned and yes my cars have never ever been perfect (or safe, buy a saturn if you want that) but they are very fun! 914's have never been anything to me but fun! I make money sometimes (probably not much if any) but I enjoy them for what they are! Reliable and fast. I am 40 guys, not a kid, not a price gouger, but I am passionate about my hobbies and man I am lucky to have them.

I don't want money but unfortunately these cars are sometimes expensive. The great thing is I generally break even and that is truly economical! The reason I hardly ever post is because of how catty some of you are (human beings like to gossip) and yes, I like to do my stuff in peace. I don't enjoy talking about Porsches or wearing Porsche apparel and if you care to know more about me I am currently sitting in my black 996 turbo on my way up north on hwy 101 along the pacific coast! My life is great one moment and hard the next but truly Porsche's have been my joy! I like to tinker with them and each time I do something with them I learn more about life which is a win win! Kind of like when you sell a porsche and break even! Win win!

If you want to throw me in jail go ahead! I would love to die for my cause and that would be a fitting end of my life! How great to show the world how car guys die. Not in a car accident after all (like my younger days I was warned) but to rot in jail because non car guys don't know how to tell the difference between a factory 6 and 4 and why should they be even worth any different? They're both wonderful and I enjoy and restore both! I honestly didn't even change all of the vin's. When the new owner asked me about the wheel well I told him that I used a 1971 chassis and he got that vin too since the seller of the original six sold that to me. I don't mind, he didn't complain, not to me. If he wanted to end it right then and there he could have but nope. So, I will make this offer once. If whoever had the car still wants 36,000 for it and it's been well cared for I will buy it back. I will work it for it and I will even pay that much if it's not been serviced, however, if it's been destroyed in anyway I will be pissed! The last two cars (914's that is) I sold have been changed too much and I never wanted them back. The Zombie needed to be serviced and it needed a few cosmetic things and that's it (to my knowledge if anything else I'll take care of that too, obviously, but not anything like new paint or changed body). The transmission had just been completely gone through. Other than the engine having some miles on it it ran great and the brakes were still wonderful (thanks Eric).

I'll answer anymore questions if you'd like on here and my offer is true! I honestly just told my girlfriend about 2 weeks ago that I thought it may be up for sale soon and if so I want to buy it back...seriously I just today found this thread since a friend tipped me off.

Okay...I'm not even going to proof read this because my girl is getting bored and is falling asleep at this gas station/hardwarestore parking lot! lol. Yes, it's a real 914-6, all the parts will tell you that the INTRINSIC value was priced as such and they are rare parts to be sure, but the chassis is from the same year 1.7 liter. I removed the dash and as much of the non important parts as possible as a learning experiment. It's like saying Ghostbusters and Want a New Drug are the same songs or that one copied the other...no, different songs but similar engineering. They probably reverse engineered the same song at the same time. lol. Okay...I'm not defending my work, it's not the best, I'm just telling you what happened and offering to buy it back at the same price. That's more than fair, that's a win/win/win! But if I need to spend some time in jail for being a putts, so be it!!!

Good day!

PS. 914's are all VW's anyway ;-) (irony)

I said GOOD DAY!!!

Please explain this some more...

Im not quite getting why the CHP was going to crush it. Only that you switched vins to prevent it from being crushed.

What was the CHP's reason for crushing it?

beg to ask, why even bother with the #s? What do you estimate the premium was rather than just the value of a well done coversion? That you lay the story ALL out there, publicly, is both amazing and mystifying. Bold!

Good intentions or not...

What you did is illegal in all 50 states. Now the cat is out of the bag and the new owner has a fake 914-6. Sure it's a nice car but it is fraud.

CHP would have and still might crush it due to the fake VIN. The new owner will be out all his money if caught.

You could have fixed up the silver roller with a 3.6L with the -4 VIN and be fine. You wanted a 914-6 and fraudulently changed the VIN. There is no excuse for this.

Well if you offer to buy it back at the same price it's not illigal vin tampering, it's just a slightly confused 914-6. Because if your intentions are good, everything is rainbows and unicorns. No worries.

No. It's still illegal VIN tampering. Only the fraud for sale charge may be dropped.

uh....

please tell me there are drugs involved here somehow, it may make this seem...no, it wouldn't matter, nevermind!

Why don't we name our children Cane?

What is in a name?

Would a rose by any other name smell less sweet?

No, but BS has an easily identifiable aroma...

You chose the name "SoCalStuttgart."

In retrospect, it looks like you were planning this all along. I think I read somewhere in your Zombie thread that you were so proud of your work you felt that no one would know the car was damaged before you started.

That sounds to me the same sort of thing one might hear from a painter that takes the time to mix pigments and fake period artworks.

The wall of text you left tonight is simple justification and a feeble attempt to avoid responsibility for what you have done. You finally figured out that someone had caught on to your crap, and are trying to do damage control. Too late, way too late.

I am sure that all the time you were sitting at the tables in Vegas you were heartbroken at the thought of gambling with all the money you just made from the car you "never planned to sell."

Sorry man, but if it looks like and smells like , I don't have to taste it to know it's the real thing...

You are a fraud. You ripped someone off, and profited. All of a sudden, people are talking about it, and you are scared as hell. You should be.

If you really were an honorable person, you would have told the buyer what you had done before you sold the car.

I imagine there would also have been a way to resurrect your Zombie /6 legally. If not, you should have let the car be destroyed.

AFAIK, the only way to show any shred of honor in this situation is to just give it up. Don't know where you should turn yourself in, but you should face up to your fraud.

You have been found out. People will continue to talk about it. Try to run, try to hide, your bad Carma will catch you. Plenty of popcorn will be eaten then, as we all wait and watch you try to tell the judge the same sort of lame excuse that didn't fly here.



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I just went back and re-read that wall of text again. You blame everyone else involved: your friend (or ex-girlfriend), who "made" you sell the car (and take half of the money); The person you sold the car to who didn't quite get that the car was a forgery, and sold it on as the real thing; the "non-car guys" who don't know the difference between a real 914-6 and a 914-4, und so weite.

According to you, everyone but the person that actually built the car is responsible for this mess.

It must be really hard for you as the victim of this horrendous character abuse, when everyone else thinks you are full of shit.

I feel so sorry for you.
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-- Whit

The "intention defense".... Seems popular these days

Once again you state, "it's a real 914-6". Uh..no it's not

How interesting. Tell me more about me

Honestly I have always wanted a 914 that said 914 in the vin. The 914 vin makes more sense to me. The fact that Porsche used his name on the car but most cars had very simple nomenclatures. I like things that make sense and the VW vin is too much like a bar code or a product number. IMHO the 914 needed to be the best of everything. I wish I could make one even better but I doubt that's possible for me.

A wise man told me that if I want a better Porsche I need to start with a better Porsche which is why I now own a 996 Turbo and a Caynne turbo. Both are fast and handle better than the zombie. They can both safely drive off road and over 160 mph which the zombie could not. She starts to float. The real jem was my 930! She was super comfortable and could go anywhere. I really couldn't get stuck in traffic though.

If I wanted to hide my work I wouldn't show my work. I probably get an A- at best for the zombie. Selling her was even lower but hey, I do my best. If people who I believe to be fraud came to me with my offer I'd take it. If someone is selling the zombie for more than she's worth than call him out! Or if it's you! And she's ruined, please don't show me. You'll break my poor heart all over! Please don't show me a neglected version of my work. Just have the state police crush her and hopefully insurance will understand. My 930 was very comfortable but my zombie took me more places. People love the zombie! She was one of a kind in the most loveable ways. You can't put a price tag on that.

Peace. I'm getting coffee and I have some driving to do ALL! Perhaps I'll think about this as I finish my cars. You can't please everyone but you can follow your bliss.

By the way. If I wanted another 914 after her I could have bought a real 914 but, why didn't I? Why did I instead use that money to find my woman! I have retired 914's. Once you build your dream car, a balance of all the perfect parts of your past and you think about your future while driving....well, what does one have left to do except find love in the form of your BETTER half?

No more looking through bullshit for peanuts. I've got a beautiful women in my bed waiting for me. Coffee is on and I don't like to start my days too late. The early bird gets the worm and all that jazz!

Peace!

Dean Clark
SoCal Stuttgart, owner and founder, established 1988.

Stunning

This gets better and better....

Like every epic meltdown this one follows the same path.

This needs to be saved...

This guy is delusional... Knowingly and willingly builds a fraudulent car... Sells it as a genuine car... Takes no responsibility... Thinks is all goes away if he buys it back...

Two things:

One, there is no need for anyone to tell you more about yourself. You have done an outstanding job on your own. Thanks to you, we now know you are a whiney little slimer squid who can't (or won't) take responsibility for the mess you created.

Two, this thread is now to inform responsible 914World members that there is a fraudster out there, and we should be wary of you, and of others that pull the same kind of BS as you have done. You chose to post here defending yourself, and were called out for the ethical shortcomings of your answer.

We aren't here to tell you about yourself, we are here to tell others about you.

Since you asked however:

Up thread, I posted that I thought you might be some sort of . I hedged that by saying that I didn't know you, and so I might have been wrong. Your defensive responses here have done one thing. There is no longer any doubt as to whether or not you , it is almost painfully obvious to the rest here that you do.

Thanks for clearing that up.

--Whit

Sir Andy called it.

Please don't stop. This is a fascinating narrative.