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Racer
Do I see oil lines running up the A-Pillars? Not sure I've seen that before. Is there a special reason for that type of routing?
naro914
QUOTE(Racer @ Feb 25 2019, 08:06 AM) *

Do I see oil lines running up the A-Pillars? Not sure I've seen that before. Is there a special reason for that type of routing?

They're not oil lines, they are vent lines - vent from the engine to the oil tank, and vent from the oil tank to the 'catch' can in the back (which I know is way too big but the guy that built it years ago made it really nice...so we just left it).
I know lots of people vent the engine to a catch can close to the engine - that's how Huey is too. But with a high compression race engine, we found it was better to vent to the oil tank (like they are designed to do), but since the tank is up front....

Its actually pretty common on bigger/high compression engines from what I've seen. I don't really like it...but when the guy that's been doing this for practically longer than I've been alive says it needs to be this way...and the engine runs flawless...I don't argue!
naro914
QUOTE(vintage914racer @ Feb 24 2019, 10:35 PM) *

Curious if you have any shots of the chassis tears? I have one that I need to take care of on my track car and was hoping to see how yours was repaired.

The only one I have a picture of from this work was kinda odd...it was the little section around the engine area on the drivers side that really isn't structural, more just holds the engine tray gasket. It was cracking off. We just welded it back on. (picture is tough to figure out where it is)

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Previously, we've cracked the rear suspension points (which is why we went with Tangerine Racing raised rear mounts), Front control arm points (which is why there are forward bars in the front trunk area) and areas around the rear wheel wells, which got extra stiffening.

mepstein
QUOTE(naro914 @ Feb 25 2019, 09:12 AM) *

QUOTE(vintage914racer @ Feb 24 2019, 10:35 PM) *

Curious if you have any shots of the chassis tears? I have one that I need to take care of on my track car and was hoping to see how yours was repaired.

The only one I have a picture of from this work was kinda odd...it was the little section around the engine area on the drivers side that really isn't structural, more just holds the engine tray gasket. It was cracking off. We just welded it back on. (picture is tough to figure out where it is)

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Previously, we've cracked the rear suspension points (which is why we went with Tangerine Racing raised rear mounts), Front control arm points (which is why there are forward bars in the front trunk area) and areas around the rear wheel wells, which got extra stiffening.

I’m not surprised papa needed a little help. These cars were built to be sporty drivers so it’s pretty amazing that it could handle a 300hp engine and wide tires on the track.
Racer
QUOTE(naro914 @ Feb 25 2019, 09:03 AM) *

QUOTE(Racer @ Feb 25 2019, 08:06 AM) *

Do I see oil lines running up the A-Pillars? Not sure I've seen that before. Is there a special reason for that type of routing?

They're not oil lines, they are vent lines - vent from the engine to the oil tank, and vent from the oil tank to the 'catch' can in the back (which I know is way too big but the guy that built it years ago made it really nice...so we just left it).
I know lots of people vent the engine to a catch can close to the engine - that's how Huey is too. But with a high compression race engine, we found it was better to vent to the oil tank (like they are designed to do), but since the tank is up front....


Of course they are vent lines! lol.. but that wasn't registering.. I just saw lines running out from the tank and didn't think. thank you for clarifying.
ClayPerrine
If you do a search for "pca club race road atlanta" the first video listed has Papa Smurf in it. It is right there in the preview.

naro914
All my videos are here:

https://www.youtube.com/Naroescape
naro914
Not much of what was done the past week/weekend was visible, mostly wiring. Nadine made a carbon fiber dash, which looks great. Installed and started wiring the electronic kill switch, etc.

Hope this weekend to actually be fairly DONE with most stuff. AiM dash/data system going in, shifter/shift rod, finalize dash, final wiring connections, re-wrap and secure all wire harnesses,...all the little tuff now. Body panels are at the painter.

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naro914
And a little Saturday morning “piston porn”


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76-914
QUOTE(naro914 @ Mar 9 2019, 07:19 AM) *

Not much of what was done the past week/weekend was visible, mostly wiring. Nadine made a carbon fiber dash, which looks great. Installed and started wiring the electronic kill switch, etc.

Hope this weekend to actually be fairly DONE with most stuff. AiM dash/data system going in, shifter/shift rod, finalize dash, final wiring connections, re-wrap and secure all wire harnesses,...all the little tuff now. Body panels are at the painter.

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I consider this part the "Fun" stage; no problems or "gotcha's" or problem solving yet. Everything is just perfect. New, pretty and shiny stuff still in perfect condition. BTW, Papa is beginning to take shape and I like the look. beerchug.gif
sixnotfour
I didnt realize how it all started ..

https://naroescapemotorsports.com/naroescap...ars-papa-smurf/
KELTY360
QUOTE(naro914 @ Mar 9 2019, 07:35 AM) *

And a little Saturday morning “piston porn”


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.....uhhhh, shouldn't that be in the Sandbox?
mepstein
Are you rebuilding the engine? I thought Peter did it not so long ago.
naro914
QUOTE(mepstein @ Mar 9 2019, 12:23 PM) *

Are you rebuilding the engine? I thought Peter did it not so long ago.

It had about 80 hrs on it since the rebuild, so it was time for a refresh...which, in addition to the trans re-gearing, is part of what started this whole project. They found some scoring on a cylinder they didn’t like, so got a new p&c. For Dawe’s, a “refresh” is very thorough....check everything....
naro914
QUOTE(KELTY360 @ Mar 9 2019, 12:03 PM) *

QUOTE(naro914 @ Mar 9 2019, 07:35 AM) *

And a little Saturday morning “piston porn”


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.....uhhhh, shouldn't that be in the Sandbox?

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naro914
QUOTE(sixnotfour @ Mar 9 2019, 11:49 AM) *

Yep...all started with Nadine’s fathers daily driver....25+ years ago...
dan10101
QUOTE(naro914 @ Mar 9 2019, 07:35 AM) *


"Does that thing got a Hemi??"

"looks like it's pitching a tent..."

18-1" compression ratio?

128 octane?

naro914
QUOTE(dan10101 @ Mar 9 2019, 08:31 PM) *

QUOTE(naro914 @ Mar 9 2019, 07:35 AM) *


"Does that thing got a Hemi??"

"looks like it's pitching a tent..."

18-1" compression ratio?

128 octane?

Lol!! av-943.gif

It’s a secret...
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naro914
So the goal for tomorrow, March 10, is to have the AiM dash installed and all the electrical finished and tested, shifter installed, and everything checked and tightened. Steering column got installed today (it’s 180 degrees off!!!) as well as a lot of little electrical connections.

Getting close!!
naro914
Not much to “see” from the progress this weekend but... we hooked up and tested all the electrical stuff, and amazingly everything works, no fires, no sparks! Steering column installed, shifter, new Rix shift rod bushing, Nadine started tidying up and wrapping the wires, test fit the AiM MXL2 dash logger and started connecting some of the wires. Loose wires you see are for the CoolShirt, AiM, and the Generator warning light on the panel the AiM dash will be mounted on. Getting REALLY close!!

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ClayPerrine
Do you have a picture of where your transponder is mounted?

Do you have the correct transponder to match the numbers in your logbook?

This is a hot topic with the T&S people these days.

naro914
QUOTE(ClayPerrine @ Mar 11 2019, 07:17 AM) *

Do you have a picture of where your transponder is mounted?

Do you have the correct transponder to match the numbers in your logbook?

This is a hot topic with the T&S people these days.

Ill get a picture. Drivers side wheel well. And yes...number matches. Same transponder I’ve had since I started racing in 2006.
naro914
Transponder
ClayPerrine
QUOTE(naro914 @ Mar 11 2019, 10:28 AM) *

Transponder



Bob,
Thanks for making sure the transponder is correct and working. At Sebring this year, 1/3 of the transponders came up unresolved. This caused havoc with the timing and scoring staff all weekend.

Clay
naro914
QUOTE(ClayPerrine @ Mar 11 2019, 10:32 AM) *

QUOTE(naro914 @ Mar 11 2019, 10:28 AM) *

Transponder



Bob,
Thanks for making sure the transponder is correct and working. At Sebring this year, 1/3 of the transponders came up unresolved. This caused havoc with the timing and scoring staff all weekend.

Clay


Well I don't know if it 'works'...green light comes on and never had a problem with it before. Sebring is always the worst - first race, lots of winter work on cars, drivers with new cars...especially the cup guys that just 'arrive and drive' and nobody pays attention to transponders.
naro914
Once again, a bit negligent on posting updates. Been a busy few weeks.

OK, where were we? Oh yeah wiring. Got what we could, done, before we made the trek up to Dawe's Motorsport Development in Stroudsburg, PA to get the engine and transmission installed. Here are a few pictures of the interior and with all the body panels before loading to head North.

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naro914
At Dawe's we installed the engine and transmission.
We have a 915 trans with Vellios side shift conversion. Anyone that has had a Vellios knows they can be a bit tricky to adjust correctly. Peter Dawe's has a 'cut out' 915 housing so he can see inside while activating the internal mechanisms. you installed the entire unit in the car and go through the gears while he watches to see clearances and interference points. Make adjustments, try again, until everything shifts smoothly. Then re-install into your own case. Very slick...

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naro914
Then on to the dyno.
I'll post video up when I get a chance. Not much to see...more to hear.

but here's the dyno sheet. Might be hard to read:

325 whp
279 tq (we did see 285 on one pull)

Not bad...


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Cairo94507
Your car looks terrific. Great numbers too. beerchug.gif
76-914
Nice! Looking forward to some new video's. beerchug.gif
Krieger
WOW! Awesome car!
naro914
Here’s the quick video of the dyno run


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0QNwX6jMcw4


Maltese Falcon
QUOTE(naro914 @ Apr 10 2019, 07:25 AM) *

Then on to the dyno.
I'll post video up when I get a chance. Not much to see...more to hear.

but here's the dyno sheet. Might be hard to read:

325 whp
279 tq (we did see 285 on one pull)

Not bad...


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That's a strong engine , 325 rwhp !! Mustang dynos are know to be conservative. I'll bet that you will see higher numbers on a Dynojet 248c ...but that engine will haul the mail driving.gif
Beautiful restoration and upgrade work as well aktion035.gif
ClayPerrine
Uh.. Bob...

Your transmission has a hell of an oil leak.... poke.gif biggrin.gif

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vintage914racer
QUOTE(naro914 @ Feb 25 2019, 07:12 AM) *

QUOTE(vintage914racer @ Feb 24 2019, 10:35 PM) *

Curious if you have any shots of the chassis tears? I have one that I need to take care of on my track car and was hoping to see how yours was repaired.

The only one I have a picture of from this work was kinda odd...it was the little section around the engine area on the drivers side that really isn't structural, more just holds the engine tray gasket. It was cracking off. We just welded it back on. (picture is tough to figure out where it is)

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Previously, we've cracked the rear suspension points (which is why we went with Tangerine Racing raised rear mounts), Front control arm points (which is why there are forward bars in the front trunk area) and areas around the rear wheel wells, which got extra stiffening.


Thanks much for sharing. I need to replace the passenger rear suspension console on my track care , but I’m having issues finding someone local-ish with the skills and desire to do so.
Dave_Darling
What's the component on stand-offs from the valve cover? Looks to be part of the oil system, but what does it do?

--DD
naro914
QUOTE(Dave_Darling @ Apr 16 2019, 01:20 PM) *

What's the component on stand-offs from the valve cover? Looks to be part of the oil system, but what does it do?

--DD

Its a small oil reserve feed reservoir. It allows there to be a small reserve of oil right at the engine oil inlet so it doesn't starve under hard right hand high G loads. Since most tracks run clockwise, you end up with way more times the oil is trying to move away from the engine. In a 911, the oil is being forced INTO the engine during those turns because the tank and feed are on the right. But flipping it around in a 914, you could end up with oil starvation. Dawe's developed this many years ago after finding high HP/high grip 914's were getting oil starvation on long right hand high G turns.

It's actually baffled inside too.
ClayPerrine
QUOTE(naro914 @ Apr 17 2019, 10:58 AM) *

QUOTE(Dave_Darling @ Apr 16 2019, 01:20 PM) *

What's the component on stand-offs from the valve cover? Looks to be part of the oil system, but what does it do?

--DD

Its a small oil reserve feed reservoir. It allows there to be a small reserve of oil right at the engine oil inlet so it doesn't starve under hard right hand high G loads. Since most tracks run clockwise, you end up with way more times the oil is trying to move away from the engine. In a 911, the oil is being forced INTO the engine during those turns because the tank and feed are on the right. But flipping it around in a 914, you could end up with oil starvation. Dawe's developed this many years ago after finding high HP/high grip 914's were getting oil starvation on long right hand high G turns.

It's actually baffled inside too.


Who sells them? I may want to put one on the monster motor.......

Clay
naro914
QUOTE(ClayPerrine @ Apr 18 2019, 08:57 AM) *

QUOTE(naro914 @ Apr 17 2019, 10:58 AM) *

QUOTE(Dave_Darling @ Apr 16 2019, 01:20 PM) *

What's the component on stand-offs from the valve cover? Looks to be part of the oil system, but what does it do?

--DD

Its a small oil reserve feed reservoir. It allows there to be a small reserve of oil right at the engine oil inlet so it doesn't starve under hard right hand high G loads. Since most tracks run clockwise, you end up with way more times the oil is trying to move away from the engine. In a 911, the oil is being forced INTO the engine during those turns because the tank and feed are on the right. But flipping it around in a 914, you could end up with oil starvation. Dawe's developed this many years ago after finding high HP/high grip 914's were getting oil starvation on long right hand high G turns.

It's actually baffled inside too.


Who sells them? I may want to put one on the monster motor.......

Clay

Dawe's fabricates them.
I can ask how much they would sell them for
ClayPerrine
QUOTE(naro914 @ Apr 18 2019, 08:02 AM) *

QUOTE(ClayPerrine @ Apr 18 2019, 08:57 AM) *

QUOTE(naro914 @ Apr 17 2019, 10:58 AM) *

QUOTE(Dave_Darling @ Apr 16 2019, 01:20 PM) *

What's the component on stand-offs from the valve cover? Looks to be part of the oil system, but what does it do?

--DD

Its a small oil reserve feed reservoir. It allows there to be a small reserve of oil right at the engine oil inlet so it doesn't starve under hard right hand high G loads. Since most tracks run clockwise, you end up with way more times the oil is trying to move away from the engine. In a 911, the oil is being forced INTO the engine during those turns because the tank and feed are on the right. But flipping it around in a 914, you could end up with oil starvation. Dawe's developed this many years ago after finding high HP/high grip 914's were getting oil starvation on long right hand high G turns.

It's actually baffled inside too.


Who sells them? I may want to put one on the monster motor.......

Clay

Dawe's fabricates them.
I can ask how much they would sell them for


Thanks!
naro914
Sorry I haven’t posted an update lately...unfortunately not much has happened since we got back from Dawe’s. VIR and Road Atlanta one weekend, Hershey the next and Roebling Road this past weekend...all working, no playing. ☹️ With fab and paint delays setting us back a month, we’re in the thick of track vendor season so no time...

And now I’m waiting for outside vendors to do what they promised: headers/exhaust have been at the powder coater (for ceramic coating) for over 2 weeks now when he said “it’ll be a week”...windshield finally going back in tomorrow... still need to fab a rear one, plus all the rest of the little things, then corner balance/align, wrap, clear bra, etc..

So he sits and waits patiently...

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sb914
Looks menacing! I like it .
Cairo94507
Pinacle 914. Beautiful. beerchug.gif
jd74914
It is beautiful. beerchug.gif

Have you tried larger end plates on the rear wing? Seems like you could gain some efficiency (both downforce and drag) by going bigger.
raynekat
Smurf look good..... shades.gif
naro914
The business end of Papa Smurf.

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tygaboy
There really is nothing quite like a "just done" car. You must be a proud Papa! Er, wait, what?
Seriously, the car is beautiful. first.gif
naro914
Just a little Sunday Papa Smurf sound for your enjoyment.
Just got the headers back from being ceramic coated.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yoNOklDNLz4
dan10101
QUOTE(naro914 @ May 5 2019, 05:34 PM) *

Just a little Sunday Papa Smurf sound for your enjoyment.


Awesome! Thank you!
76-914
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