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thelogo

Feb 1 2019, 05:30 PM

QUOTE(7TPorsh @ Feb 1 2019, 09:11 AM)

So did some more hunting and research for a buy vs. build. Decided to buy.

Ordered a high performance 2366cc Type 4/914 long block from SCAT VW; with the clutch kit - no core charge. Sourcing and building a motor like this is going to come out to the same cost or more and this has a warranty. Under $5k

Rated at 150-155 hp using Webers. 103mm cylinders, 71mm crank and enlarged valves. I think it's a geat deal. Buying a used running 2.0 engine for $3-4k doesn't seem the way to go for me. Why do a used 2056 with 100hp, when you can get another 50 hp for a little more.

Lots of builders on the board here but all start at minimum $5k and go up fast. SCAT has been around for a long time and I've known others with their engines so I feel pretty confident I'll do ok.

Any advice on modifying my Weber 40 IDFs and intake for the larger engine? Do people still have intakes polished like in the old muscle car days?

Engine drop tonight...anyone looking for a good 1.7 core long block in the LA area? Cheap Cheap!

Air cooled motor assembly requires extremly skilled labor .thats all im saying

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thelogo

Feb 1 2019, 05:32 PM

Im always in la canada and would love to pick up your ole 1.7 for cheap

Mayne

Feb 3 2019, 10:02 AM

QUOTE(7TPorsh @ Jan 24 2019, 11:29 AM)

Spoke to SCAT yesterday. Their 2056 for a 914 is $3900. 2.0 crank, 96mm cans. All new parts. Heads have standard valving. Rated 110hp with webers.

They can do a 2366 motor with 103mm cans and bigger valves for $4900. Rated 150 hp with Webers.

Both have a 12000/1 year warranty. No core.

If i buy all the pieces (crank, cam, cans, etc.) for a 2270 or 2366, how much would it be?...then just have my guy do the work on the existing motor.

I’m still interested in hearing more about this endeavor. One thought I have is if the larger stroker motor has more inherent risk, can SCAT build a 2056 but with better head work like they do on the 2366? It’s seems that with the right heads and cam people are getting 130hp from their 2056 motors. So maybe a bit less power but more durability.

preach

Feb 3 2019, 11:22 AM

QUOTE(7TPorsh @ Jan 15 2019, 05:58 PM)

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Beautiful car.

What wheels are those, I love them.

rhodyguy

Feb 3 2019, 12:55 PM

71mm crankshaft. Stock.

914werke

Feb 3 2019, 02:28 PM

a 2366 isnt a stroker motor.

Mayne

Feb 3 2019, 04:29 PM

QUOTE(914werke @ Feb 3 2019, 03:28 PM)

a 2366 isnt a stroker motor.

Right, okay I understand the extra displacement is coming from the 103 pistons and cylinders not from the crank, so I shouldn’t have called it a stroker. But I guess my point, or question, was if the OP had SCAT build him a 2056 but with better head work, could he be content with the power? And would it improve the durability of SCAT motor? Since it seems that the 103 iron cylinders that SCAT suggests are problematic (see below), maybe it would.

QUOTE(Mark Henry @ Feb 1 2019, 01:29 PM)

IMHO the 103's with iron cylinders are a bad choice, over 96mm you need nickies.
I'm an engine builder, most of them turn-key and a LN dealer, I won't build an engine with 103 iron cylinders, I would rather (and have) pass on the job.

falcor75

Feb 4 2019, 12:01 AM

"Cheap-Reliable-Fast, pick two." this 103 mm engine goes into the cheap and fast selection.

It will need more frequent rebuilds than a stroked engine with smaller diameter bores or nickies. What is "more frequent" well that all depends on the builder, the owner and the milage and its sortof the X-factor in this combo. One guy might think that tearing the engine apart every 24 months to check the bores for out of round etc is ok, another expects an engine that runs carefree for 10 years.

Mark Henry

Feb 4 2019, 08:52 AM

QUOTE(falcor75 @ Feb 4 2019, 01:01 AM)

Exactly, I expect my (street) engines to go 60-80K before they need the heads serviced and with proper maintenance 150 -200K being totally realistic.
I drive my cars, no garage queens here. Plus I build engines, which means I hate working on my own cars, no fork'in way I'm building an engine that I've got to tear into every 16-20K.

To me 103 iron cylinders are a terrible ROI, I'd pick a 2056 or 2270 over an 103 iron jug engine every time. Raby won't build an engine with iron cylinders bigger than 96mm as well. Scat, like a lot of discount/volume builders doesn't care because they don't want to lose a sale, they just want the Benjamins.

mepstein

Feb 4 2019, 09:36 AM

Their warranty-

All product warranties are limited to replacing or repairing any part or parts returned to SCAT, which upon SCAT’s inspection, are determined to be defective. Customer is responsible for paying freight on any products returned to SCAT. Warranty covers only the product itself, not labor, towing or other perceived damages. The warranty is expressly in lieu of all other warranties, express or implied.

rhodyguy

Feb 4 2019, 09:45 AM

Upon inspection, UPON INSPECTION! Do I need to repeat that again?

thelogo

Feb 4 2019, 02:52 PM

Hi performance ,air cooled and warranty
Dont really belong in the same sentence imho

I really dont blame scat for that

Something tells me alot of aircooled engines have seized
From

Oil starvation , overheating , poor maintenance , street gasoline .
etc .

Not always a manufacturer defect

7TPorsh

Feb 8 2019, 05:12 PM

Progress begins:
THE DROP!
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bandjoey

Feb 8 2019, 10:58 PM

Eagerly watching the new Install

thelogo

Feb 8 2019, 11:54 PM

QUOTE(7TPorsh @ Feb 8 2019, 03:12 PM)

Progress begins:
THE DROP!
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Was it numbers matching ?

BK911

Feb 9 2019, 05:54 AM

Exciting times!!
Anxious to hear your thoughts on the new engine once installed and running.
And cool engine buggy.

Mayne

Feb 9 2019, 07:11 AM

Looking forward to hearing about the new engine! Should be awesome. Do you have plans for extra oil cooling?

7TPorsh

Feb 11 2019, 01:46 PM

Going to work in an oil cooler somewhere.

Engine is not numbers matching. Case is 1971 1.7 . Once all the attachments are off I'll be looking at selling the old longblock. Possible with the intakes and webers.

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