Yes, boys and girls. It's about to happen. Jake and I have struck a deal on his "loaner" engine. It is 2316 cc, 186 HP of pure power. As Jake explains it was used as a test engine for different set ups for his dyno tests and than loaned out to guys while thier engine's were being rebuilt.

Now I've got to fab up some wheelie bars for my car.

Let see.... if a stock 914 had 90 hp and weighed 2200 pounds that is 24.44 pounds per HP.

My car will have 186 HP and weigh 1400 pounds or 7.52 pounds per HP.

So if I got this right, my car should be faster than a stock 914, right?

Paul

Sounds awesome! My tail dragger has an honest 190 hp at the wheels (i.e., dyno'ed), it's not significantly lighter than any other long hood 911, and it's scary fast within the powerband (3500 and up). Your car ought to be a screamer!

QUOTE (URY914 @ Jul 14 2005, 10:33 AM)

So if I got this right, my car should be faster than a stock 914, right? Paul

Yes, ANY stock 914, by a good margin.

J

Wowie! Your average V8 conversion is about 8 lbs per HP.. Not only will you be faster, but boy will you beat them in the corners!

by my calculations...

QUOTE

186 HP and weigh 1400 pounds or 7.52 pounds per HP.

will = '1 fast bitch!!!

I wish you had a passenger seat... I'd fly out for a ride!


awesome man!

The long range plans do include a passenger seat.

That's why I haven't cut the pass. side floor out.

I've got two stock 914 seat shells that I'm going to rework and install. If you've never seen a naked 914 seat, it just fiberglass and pretty light when stripped down.

Paul

QUOTE (URY914 @ Jul 14 2005, 12:33 PM)

Let see.... if a stock 914 had 90 hp and weighed 2200 pounds that is 24.44 pounds per HP. My car will have 186 HP and weigh 1400 pounds  or 7.52 pounds per HP.

Paul, sorry, but that is WAY too much HP for a car as light as yours.

You're gonna put your eye out with it.

Any plans to lighten the engine?

(a little filing here, a little filing there, lose a pound!)

QUOTE (bondo @ Jul 14 2005, 12:47 PM)

Any plans to lighten the engine? (a little filing here, a little filing there, lose a pound!)

actually that's a good idea.

QUOTE (bondo @ Jul 14 2005, 10:47 AM)

Any plans to lighten the engine? (a little filing here, a little filing there, lose a pound!)

I was toying with the idea of a fiberglass fan housing and engine tin, but it would be a whole lot of work for little gain.

But, what I will do is grind off all the tabs, brackets, tits, etc that is on the cast aluminum fan housing.

I currently don't run the stock oil cooler but with the new engine I'll put it back on.

Paul

Yep!

Paul is gonna be kickin some serious ass with this power plant!

This isn't a "normal" RAT engine, this one was used as a test engine in my 914 for a year, then stripped down and some components swapped to create the 2316 Hybrid test engine thats in the 914 now.

4 different customers of mine have "Borrowed" or rented this engine from me and it has been freshened up before the current "Borrower" received it from me.

It is built with a crazy cam, a multitude of used parts from other engines but that has never impacted its performance or reliability!

I wish Paul luck with this beast- It may not have the typical "Jake Pedigree" but it damn sure doesn't need it, this one has suprised me over and over again with reliable power . Everyone who has ever driven it is blown away by it's performance and they never would have guessed that it was anything less than one of my best engines.

To lose 15 pounds he could install some Nickies......

Paul, find a blower housing from a 80-83 Vanagon and I'll share some tricks about what to do to it- Its also lighter and has better internal partitioning than the stocker.

Paul was the perfect person for this engine- Light car, Autocrosser and thats exactly what this powerband is great for. He also understood that it was a loaner engine and what comes with that.

Paul, you need a tach that goes to 10K, I have wrapped this baby over 8K on the dyno before!

SICK!!!!

Youve got a Rat Rod now!!!


Go paul, Go paul, Go paul....

Look out everyone... Pauls in town!

OK, Time to plan my road trip around the next event in FLA. and Hurricannes

I wanna race Paul. Hey how about a new episode of Pinks. No drag race just Autocross. FTD wins....... Oh I get to bring my co driver Hassan.

Nice score Paul should be one hell of a ride.

Oh my God! You found a way to make him even faster; Light Headed.



Good deal man, looking forward to seeing a few speechless posts from you Paul!



M

I'm sure you'll see speechless posts...

The difference between this engine and a 2 liter is like night and day...

I'll see if I can find the dyno graph and upload it here for you guys to see..

It has almost perfectly flat torque to boot!

I guess Paul's new favorite smilie will be a "shit eatin grin"

Now I gotta pull my engine and finish all the little crap on my list to get it ready for this BAMF.

Than get the body ready to paint.

Oh it sounds so easy sitting here at my desk. No problem. I'll just quit my job. Cash in the 401K and finish my car.

Paul

Then move to the mountains and come work for me... I need an honest helping hand around here- too damn much for me and Brent to handle alone now...

QUOTE (Jake Raby @ Jul 14 2005, 11:37 AM)

Then move to the mountains and come work for me... I need an honest helping hand around here- too damn much for me and Brent to handle alone now...

Shit, working for you I'd never get time off to drive my car. It would be like working for Boyd Covington or Paul Tuttle. I've seen how you crazy car guys work your pepole like dogs.

Actually, I'd love it . Maybe one day.....

Paul

How about a test pilot for all the hot rods you guys build?
I Seriously hate my job too.

Damn thats a lot of power for a ligh car. Stick some wings on it and you might be able to fly. Any thoughts about adding fatter tires to handle the massive power?

Yeah- I'm not exactly the nicest guy to work for- If you aren't 15 minutes early you are 5 minutes late!

But we get the job done!

You don't want to be here when things go wrong, some days I just send everyone home, else I'm afraid I'll explode.

15 min prior....the military never wore off you, did it, lol....

Yep!

We expect a fully detailed report with pictures and video once you drive it!!

QUOTE (URY914 @ Jul 14 2005, 03:31 PM)

Now I gotta pull my engine and finish all the little crap on my list to get it ready for this BAMF. Than get the body ready to paint. Oh it sounds so easy sitting here at my desk. No problem. I'll just quit my job. Cash in the 401K and finish my car. Paul

Let me know if you need an extra hand ... just a phone call away.

He might need you to help him DRIVE the car!

QUOTE (Jake Raby @ Jul 14 2005, 05:10 PM)

He might need you to help him DRIVE the car!

You hold the gas pedal down and I'll steer.

Paul

QUOTE (Jake Raby @ Jul 14 2005, 02:37 PM)

Then move to the mountains and come work for me... I need an honest helping hand around here- too damn much for me and Brent to handle alone now...

Ok, that settles it. We're all quitting our jobs and moving to GA. to work for Jake. See you guys tomorrow at Jakes'.

Cool! That car should fly! I think my 1850 lb 85hp 1.8 car is fast so I can only imagine what twice the hp would feel like!

Think I found my case core for a Raby 2270 kit today. Although I screwed up the oil drain area while transporting it home, bolt was loose and caught the edge of my trunk - material around the drain hole is bent now - hope a good machinist can take care of that? If its ok I will probably will send the case off to Jake later this year.

OK, I have 375 Type IV engines that need tearing down....

No joke, we should have a tear down party!!!! That would be too cool!

three hundred and seventy five.....




i could use a good one for me.....

I always wondered how many you had.
Damn.

And 200 Type Is that need a new home, they are taking up valuable space! I have outgrown 12,000 square feet of junk space!

I buy every core I can find.

You guys are both sick.

Lets see . . . . . .
Paul has a 1315 pound car.
Jake has 375 engines.
add 'em together - divided by two

Paul ends up with a 914 that weighs 845 pounds
and Jake gets 845 Type IV motors.

Would that make everyone happy?

QUOTE (VegasRacer @ Jul 14 2005, 06:09 PM)

You guys are both sick. Lets see . . . . . . Paul has a 1315 pound car. Jake has 375 engines. add 'em together - divided by two Paul ends up with a 914 that weighs 845 pounds and Jake gets 845 Type IV motors. Would that make everyone happy?

John, you are good at math.

Paul

smoking is bad for you man . . . .

QUOTE

I buy every core I can find.

Then buy all of my T4 stuff.

Anyway. Paul, if you will get three fans from the 911 guys. You know the fans that were stock on the thermal reactor cars, that were used to cool them after shut down. Three of these will allow enough airflow for your situation. You could also just get some squirrel cage blowers to do teh same job. You really don't need a lot of cooling power.

Brett, how much???

Wait till you guys see the way that we are *thinking* of powering the DTM's cooling fan on the production engines for max output..

We don't know if its legal or not, but it makes Bob Kirby's stovepipe through the car to supply air to the fan seem normal...... Chris is looking into it now- You'll think I'm crazy!

QUOTE (URY914 @ Jul 14 2005, 09:21 PM)

You hold the gas pedal down and I'll steer.

I once drove off the road applying that technique. (we were about 19)

QUOTE (URY914 @ Jul 14 2005, 11:33 AM)

I'm getting a RAT!!

Jake email me off the list
smracing at mindspring dt com

Back in the day the Beetle guys would take the generator and reverse the field wires and "motor" the generator. Then the generator would turn the fan. Worked well. The stovepipe is legal, I don't care what anyone says. I will win that protest.

The problem with production is the little rule about where the alternator is located. Production rules say the alternator must remain in the stock location. I already was looking at running it off the halfshaft.

QUOTE (URY914 @ Jul 14 2005, 09:21 PM)

You hold the gas pedal down and I'll steer.

Heck, if that's what I have to do to take that sled out for a spin, than so be it ...

Andy, Thats a bad ass pic!

I wonder if someone could modify that to look even meaner and bloodier and fire breathing for a T shirt???

Hmmn!

Brett, I have done the electric motor thing in a bug years ago, but it doesn't turn fast enough AND it drags the battery down quick.... My idea would REALLY annoy people and would also amaze people at the same time, but I doubt its legal.....

Its not illegal until you beat someone that cares. Go for it.

Yes it is rough on the battery, but ina drag race situation where it was originally done battery life was minimal anyways.

My way requires no battery.....

It has it's own ignition!!!!!

QUOTE (Jake Raby @ Jul 14 2005, 10:36 PM)

My way requires no battery..... It has it's own ignition!!!!!

a gasoline motor just to drive the cooling fan.

that's genius!
Andy

Two stroke weedeater engine...

remote mounted with the weedeater flex shaft to drive the fan... It could be mounted in the rear trunk.. Thjose flex shafts are SUPER strong- I know because my big, bad assed Stihl can cut a small tree down with its steel blade....

It can be hooked directly to the throttle to be variable speed with the real engine..

It'll only weigh a few pounds...

it can run the race gas and have the oil injected with a facet pump in line just before the intake to the engine... Its easy to find junk weed eaters and they can run WOT all day and never hurt..

Who knows if its legal-- They let guys run electric cooling fans, so whats the difference?

Can you imagine sitting on the grid with the real engine off and revving the 2 stroke??? The damn workers would have a fit! The other racers would be very annoyed too!

I REALLY want to try it! Like I said, who knows if its legal, or been tried before...

With the DTM it would be very simple to hook up, (because of the cooling fan location) AND you'd get the ultimate in cool running and even temps to boot!

Since it would feed into the backside of the fan you could use an air conditioner solenoid operated clutch to disengage the normal belt and if there was a failure of the weed eater engine a switch could be flipped to run conventional again...

QUOTE (Jake Raby @ Jul 14 2005, 11:10 PM)

Can you imagine sitting on the grid with the real engine off and revving the 2 stroke???

Hey Paul, I guess that I now need to send the money I owe you......

PM me your address and I will send cash....(I am living out of hotel 500 miles from home..)
herb