you are insane!

and now for the weekend update... overall rear iso shot. AJ lowered the rearward tubes, curved the bottom reinforcement upward to even out the look per my request (you can see a very "squared off" lower last update.

Jane you ignorant... anyway, here is the sprint car header I was using before - except now it looks custom made for the car. That was somewhat arbitrary, the tubes gotsta be where the tubes gotsta be, but the header looks great IMO.

tailpiece will be flanged to allow removal to get engine and trans out from the top. Tacked for now as a placeholder.

QUOTE (byndbad914 @ Mar 27 2006, 11:56 AM)

Jane you ignorant... anyway, here is the sprint car header I was using before - except now it looks custom made for the car. That was somewhat arbitrary, the tubes gotsta be where the tubes gotsta be, but the header looks great IMO.

What brand of sprintcar headers are those; Schoenfled? Did you make any mod's to them? The catalog pictures look like they'd fit a 914V8 very well, and they are reasonably priced.

Andys

Looks great!

It's nice to see my dream car being built right before my eyes. Too bad it not mine

QUOTE (andys @ Mar 27 2006, 12:20 PM)

QUOTE (byndbad914 @ Mar 27 2006, 11:56 AM) Jane you ignorant...  anyway, here is the sprint car header I was using before - except now it looks custom made for the car.  That was somewhat arbitrary, the tubes gotsta be where the tubes gotsta be, but the header looks great IMO. What brand of sprintcar headers are those; Schoenfled? Did you make any mod's to them? The catalog pictures look like they'd fit a 914V8 very well, and they are reasonably priced. Andys

Actually I did have them modified a bit when I bought them... here is the description.

They are Schoenfeld headers for a SBC sprint car
When I got them, they hit the inside mount point ("dog ear") where the stock trailing arm is. Turns out, they gave me some bad info over the phone on dimensions. So, I sent them back and had them cut 1" off the front and 1-1/2" off the rear. You take more off the rear to make them mount parallel - turns out for a sprint car, they angle the end out a bit to follow the frame. Don't want/need that for a 914. Cost me and extra $100 to Schoenfeld for the custom work. In the end though, they are much, much nicer looking than any "shorty with a 180 bend back over the rear axles" setup I have seen on the market.

Nice thing about sprinter headers are they have a very short "drop" to them so they go right under the rear axles but don't drag on the ground. You just slip mount 3-1/2" mufflers right over the secondary and they are flush with the back of the car. Kinda loud though open header (depends a bit on engine of course; mine hits pretty hard). The mufflers I have are very high flow and actually do an incredible job of sound reduction to my surprise, so I highly recommend them. A more streetable 350 would probably sound awesome without being insanely loud.

I also used Schoenfeld headers. I used model #151 these are shorter than yours collector ends about 6" before the axle and tuck in tighter to the engine.
I've got 1 5/8"primary tubes with a 3" collector. All I had to do was have a muffler shop put 2 bends in a short pipe to mount the mufflers.

I put these on after using some block hugger shorty headers. After installing the full length Schoenfeld headers my engine came alive.


Tube frame is looking GREAT...............................


Bob

QUOTE (turbo914v8 @ Mar 27 2006, 01:02 PM)

It's nice to see my dream car being built right before my eyes.  :wub: Too bad it not mine  ;)  :D

That looks amazing. Great work...

Mike T

thanks for all the kind words to those of you out there following along and appreciating my form of insanity. I wasn't sure about using a baja shop to build a 914, but I have to admit, I think AJ's fresh perspective is really paying off for me. It isn't "out of the box" per se, but just a different box and I think maybe a better box. He has had some great ideas thus far and doesn't argue with my ideas like a "I have done this a 1000 times and that is how it is going to be" chassis guy might. He doesn't argue, but doesn't always agree either

I am really looking forward to seeing how the rear comes out when it is 5-linked. I kept talking trailing arms and he just looked at me and said "what about a 5-link - I will do it for the same $ since it will be easier in the long run, and I think will work way better than any trailing arm setup". I don't know if you would get that from a 914 specialist - hard to say.

Bob, those secondaries are definitely short! I am sure they fit good though - for mine I would be a little concerned about the midrange with such a short secondary. Of course, V8 in a 914 - who needs bottom end and midrange If you had a shorty before, though, I can believe they made a nice difference on your power throughout the powerband!

QUOTE (BIGKAT_83 @ Mar 27 2006, 04:01 PM)

I also used Schoenfeld headers. I used model #151 these are shorter than yours collector ends about 6" before the axle and tuck in tighter to the engine. I've got 1 5/8"primary tubes with a 3" collector. All I had to do was have a muffler shop put 2 bends in a short pipe to mount the mufflers. I put these on after using some block hugger shorty headers. After installing the full length Schoenfeld headers my engine came alive. Tube frame is looking GREAT............................... Bob

i agree..... "they came alive"?????

i don't even have 75 miles on my car yet and i'm thinkin' of getting some long tube headers......

byndbad914,
your car kick serious @$$.

can i get in line for a spin once she's done????

It looks awesome.

For what your doing, you could have made anything. Why did you choose a 914? Was it just
for the serial # so it would be easy to register and not have to smog it?

QUOTE (Dr. Roger @ Mar 27 2006, 04:07 PM)

byndbad914, your car kick serious @$$. can i get in line for a spin once she's done????  B)

careful how you phrase those questions - I have raced old Mustangs, my truck and a few other various projects and I have only spun one time - my last time out in the 914 That low polar moment is something else I gotta tell you. Never experienced how that feels until last track day. Man, when they go, they GO and you just sorta hold on and enjoy the ride both feet in.

That said, when it is all done and you are out at a track day where I am at and passengers are allowed, I will give you a ride no problem.

I was wrong on the Blazer/ZR2 bolt pattern it is a 5x4.75in pattern. The bigger trucks use the 5x5 but I can't seem to find a four wheel drive setup that has the bigger bolt pattern.

QUOTE (Brett W @ Mar 27 2006, 08:29 PM)

I was wrong on the Blazer/ZR2 bolt pattern it is a 5x4.75in pattern. The bigger trucks use the 5x5 but I can't seem to find a four wheel drive setup that has the bigger bolt pattern.

...did you say steak? NO, MIStake - big mistake... awww see, you went and got me all excited.

Brett - just reminded me of Deuce Bigalow - do you have any links/photos of what those uprights look like anyway?

Also, I's orrdud my wee-uls tuday (about my best southern NASCAR accent)

A friend of mine stopped by the Baja Shop and took these.
:PERMAGRIN: Joe

They build some baadd ass stuff...

This one looks like it's been on it's nose.
:PERMAGRIN: Joe

QUOTE (racerx7 @ Mar 27 2006, 04:18 PM)

For what your doing, you could have made anything. Why did you choose a 914? Was it just for the serial # so it would be easy to register and not have to smog it?

Joe - nice. Small world eh? I think I might have met him actually, I was working on the car a couple weeks ago and a guy asked if I would mind him taking some pics periodically to show a friend with a 914... that must be you

racerx7 - sorry for the late response, didn't catch this question when you posted... the question is a little unclear to me. I think you are specifically asking why I chose a 914 moreso than model year v. smog. I chose the 914 because

- number one is the mid-engine configuration
- I kinda like how they look, especially flared out with some big tires
- lightweight and compact v. a Pantera, which I was also heavily debating
- you can shoehorn V8s in them and they don't look butchered when you are done - more like it coulda been an option.
- there are lotsa aftermarket goodies out there for these cars, and what you can't find, 911 stuff will probably fit, then you have a whole other library of parts catalogs to rummage through on the toilet
- the power to weight ratio when this is all done with be just over 4lb/HP, which is insanely low and makes for an unreal driving experience. I would have a hard time getting that in a Pantera.

Originally I wasn't planning to go full tube chassis btw. In terms of smog and registration, I already had a 72 car, but even if I didn't, I would have been certain to buy a smog exempt one for easy registration. It is nice to be registered for the street as the car insurance is easier to obtain without a lot of questions asked about the car itself.

For the next car (yes, I have a short attention span and will probably be "over" this car within a few years) I will probably build a 1970 Mustang Fastback in similar fashion - tube chassis front to rear with stock doors, dash, all the working lights and such, but with a more streetable 462 cube small block (4.185" bore/4.2" stroke) hyd roller cam motor as a daily driver. Easy 500HP/550 lb-ft setup with full Nascar front and rear clips with a 3-link quick change rearend. Yes, I said daily driver.

Can you tell how short my attention span is yet? Not even done with one car and already laying out the second one...

Wow cool pic's. I may have to take an early vacation and visit you and your 914.

QUOTE (Joe Sharp @ Mar 29 2006, 05:48 PM)

A friend of mine stopped by the Baja Shop and took these. :PERMAGRIN: Joe

they didn't make you sign an NDA form??

I am back with more info. The C5 and C6 use a 5x5 bolt pattern hub just like the ZR2. I am going to be taking the wheels off my old man's Brand new ZO6 this weekend to see what I can use from the rear suspension.

quick midweek updates - not much to see, he just started framing out the front.

Brett - turns out I mentioned the ZR2 stuff to AJ and asked if he knew what I was talking about and he said "yeah, that is the mini-stub stuff I have been trying to tell you about" So he had shown me some of the aftermarket stuff they have been using a ton of on bajas - apparently it has the GM hubs and such.

It would cost too much to convert over at this point - if I was going from scratch it might be different. But, because I am using the late turbo axles and such, I would have to change all of that out and so forth. Down the road if I have issues with the uprights he fabs or something, I can easily convert to that then, you know, when I am rich and famous and such.

tubing passing through the old vent areas. The car metal will ultimately be removed that surrounds the tubing - we just kept in in to have a reference of where the dash vent hole will be in the end.

its lookin sweet.....

AA

I was figuring you would use them on the rear uprights you were fabbing. I have noticed that the Baja boys overprice the hell out of those pieces. You can do the machining on the stock peices your self and adapt them to your axles. Take the stock ZR2 stub and machine it to accept a bolt on CV as opposed to a tripod. I am going to check out the Corvette parts this weekend.

QUOTE (byndbad914 @ Mar 29 2006, 05:10 PM)

QUOTE (racerx7 @ Mar 27 2006, 04:18 PM) For what your doing, you could have made anything. Why did you choose a 914? Was it just for the serial # so it would be easy to register and not have to smog it? racerx7 - sorry for the late response, didn't catch this question when you posted... the question is a little unclear to me. I think you are specifically asking why I chose a 914 moreso than model year v. smog. I chose the 914 because Originally I wasn't planning to go full tube chassis btw. In terms of smog and registration, I already had a 72 car, but even if I didn't, I would have been certain to buy a smog exempt one for easy registration. It is nice to be registered for the street as the car insurance is easier to obtain without a lot of questions asked about the car itself. For the next car (yes, I have a short attention span and will probably be "over" this car within a few years) I will probably build a 1970 Mustang Fastback in similar fashion - tube chassis front to rear with stock doors, dash, all the working lights and such, but with a more streetable 462 cube small block (4.185" bore/4.2" stroke) hyd roller cam motor as a daily driver. Easy 500HP/550 lb-ft setup with full Nascar front and rear clips with a 3-link quick change rearend. Yes, I said daily driver. Can you tell how short my attention span is yet? Not even done with one car and already laying out the second one...

I think the car is amazing.


What I mean by the question, is there really is not any 914 left.

You have reengineered everything (chassis, suspension, brakes, motor). What is left ( serial #, windshield, doors with working windows)?

I understand why people just stick in x motor (v8, flat 6, 13b, turbo flat 4). Upgrade brakes, etc.. Many parts just bolt on to the 914. But for the amount of work you did to the car it could be anything you want it to be? Replica fill in the blank here. Or an original byndbad914 designed car. Of course then you have to deal with DMV/smog.

How hard would it be to put a different body on your chassis? Do you have any boat builder friends



I am glad the fabricator you hired is working out so well. Most of the time the shop starts on your car, then gets to busy doing the day to day stuff that pays the bills they never get back to the big project in the corner of the shop.


I can't wait to see what you do to your mustang next.

QUOTE (racerx7 @ Mar 30 2006, 04:03 PM)

What I mean by the question, is there really is not any 914 left. You have reengineered everything (chassis, suspension, brakes, motor). What is left ( serial #, windshield, doors with working windows)? I understand why people just stick in x motor (v8, flat 6, 13b, turbo flat 4). Upgrade brakes, etc.. Many parts just bolt on to the 914. But for the amount of work you did to the car it could be anything you want it to be? Replica fill in the blank here. Or an original byndbad914 designed car. Of course then you have to deal with DMV/smog. How hard would it be to put a different body on your chassis? Do you have any boat builder friends   I am glad the fabricator you hired is working out so well. Most of the time the shop starts on your car, then gets to busy doing the day to day stuff that  pays the bills they never get back to the big project in the corner of the shop. I can't wait to see what you do to your  mustang next.

okay, I follow ya now. Your right, having a tube car with just enough 914 keep the "look", I could've built about anything. So why the 914 "chunk"... you are correct about the VIN usage for sure. I wanted the stock doors so that when I cruise to the rod runs at Ruby's and such, which are usually in the evening, I would like to have some windows to roll up in case it is cold. I need windshield wipers for instance to qualify for liability insurance when I street drive it - fiberglass cars don't have the cowl area setup for that.

The whole stock doors and dash thing is just whacky personal choice. I don't really like how "racecar" dashes look - they tend to have minimalistic lines and such. The stock dash has "more character". And having a pretty stock interior (seat upgrades aren't that uncommon) kinda gives the illusion it is "sorta tuned", without looking "full race".

Of course, the huge-ass intake rise and 4" tall K&N aircleaner in the back doesn't do much to disguise anything anymore. I kinda wanted the car to look "like a hot rod" and not a full race car, but really have it be a full race car. Sheeps clothing sorta thing.

The whole NASCAR bars in the interior thing has been added by me recently - originally I was going to have a minimum amount of cage in the interior to keep that "slightly upgraded" look, but then I found out how fast I was going at the racetrack a couple months back and got a bit scared not having a bunch-o-safety in place. And at the same time, another rally driver got killed by a side-impact, so I figured I should try to get myself caged in as much as possible.

Really, there is something sorta cool about an insanely built racecar (I was at 2305lbs before; if I can come in at 2100lbs, then I would have exactly 4lbs/HP) with a stock dash/doors/door panels/steering column and all the correct working lights and such, right?

In the end, why a 914 specifically - when they are flared out and such, they just look damn cool to me, and I am a bit form over function when it comes down to it. They are low to the ground, short, and wide and that just looks cool to me. And very, very few cars (unbenounced to the ricer guys apparently) really look good with a big wing on the back IMO and the 914 is one of the few. I saw Roger's car 10yrs ago when he was building it and here it is with a 72" wing. Panteras look good too.

QUOTE (byndbad914 @ Mar 30 2006, 01:38 PM)

I can easily convert to that then, you know, when I am rich and famous and such.

I don't know, with what your doing I would say your famous now. This is too cool!

QUOTE (Mr.C @ Mar 30 2006, 05:47 PM)

QUOTE (byndbad914 @ Mar 30 2006, 01:38 PM) I can easily convert to that then, you know, when I am rich and famous and such. I don't know, with what your doing I would say your famous now. This is too cool!

thanks - too bad I am going the wrong way on the "rich" part

QUOTE (byndbad914 @ Mar 30 2006, 05:18 PM)

Really, there is something sorta cool about an insanely built racecar (I was at 2305lbs before; if I can come in at 2100lbs, then I would have exactly 4lbs/HP) with a stock dash/doors/door panels/steering column and all the correct working lights and such, right? In the end, why a 914 specifically - when they are flared out and such, they just look damn cool to me, and I am a bit form over function when it comes down to it. They are low to the ground, short, and wide and that just looks cool to me. And very, very few cars (unbenounced to the ricer guys apparently) really look good with a big wing on the back IMO and the 914 is one of the few. I saw Roger's car 10yrs ago when he was building it and here it is with a 72" wing. Panteras look good too.

I love the look of the 914 pict you included.

I would have to agree with everything you said, except the ricer part. I am probably one of the few people who like cars from japan, usa, england, italy & germany.

I plan to stick one of those huge wings on my fd3s for track events. On my rx2 I think I will
pass on the wing:)

I would stick with this shop for your mustang. I know several people where there car just sat in the
corner of some shop for over year to never be finished.

I had shop charge me for storage! I am paying him to work on my car and he charged me for storage.
He got to work on my when his shop was slow. You would think I would get some kind of discounted
rate.

QUOTE (racerx7 @ Mar 30 2006, 09:27 PM)

I plan to stick one of those huge wings on my fd3s for track events. On my rx2 I think I will pass on the wing:) I would stick with this shop for your mustang. I know several people where there car just sat in the corner of some shop for over year to never be finished. I had shop charge me for storage! I am paying him to work on my car and he charged me for storage. He got to work on my when his shop was slow. You would think I would get some kind of discounted rate.

what speeds will you be traveling with the fd3s (btw, I don't know what that is and have dialup at home here, so won't be googling until tomorrow ) I ask because big wings = drag and if you aren't really cranking the mph, the wing hurts you, doesn't help you.

Some guys with Pcars have put wings on the back and it actually slowed their lap times because they didn't have the HP to pull that thing through with wind as easily (even 6cyl 911s) and didn't have enough top speed to take real advantage. Someone actually just posted that exact thing happening to them on either this forum or the bird board racing forum.

I was rolling 125-ish through turn 8 at Big Willow in 3rd gear and not really sure if a wing would've made a big difference at that speed (since that car was holding on no problem anyway and I don't have a wing yet). However, I am hoping to get more like 150-160mph thru there like the car I posted does, and Roger assured me I need the wing to pull that off.

That said, many of the Pcars that run Willow run about 120-130/135mph thru T8 (and click off very respectable lap times). Just a warning.

I saw an RX like yours last week on the freeway and had put a big wing on it, but the uprights were welded straight to the rear lid and pointed up 90deg to the lid, so the wing was actually angled with the car - both trying to stop the car and lift the backend off the ground - rolling 70 on the 91 freeway. I had my camera with me and tried to get it out and get a shot, but he thought he was Joe racer and was cutting in and outta traffic, so when I was almost caught up to him, my exchange was upon me. I REALLY wanted that photo...

Chassis shops and paint shops are notorious for taking forever. Trust me, there are days like yesterday where I drove all the way over there to see five tubes welded into place - so that takes 3 days. But then apparently someone puts some dust in his weed and 3 days later the whole rearend is in the car. Relative to other shops though, he is a bullet train, he is a pretty smart dude, and his welding is unreal.

I have never made it to willow yet. Just laguna seca, sears point & thunder hill.

I think the fastest I ever did at thunder hill was 125 / 130 ish.
I think. I don't remember. I never much paid attention to mph just lap times. I remember my times was
around 2:13. I so want to break under 2:10. Money has
been tight for while now though, so that will have to wait.

my car at the time had about 260-275rwp. and I was
running hoosers, ap brakes and 13+ inch rotors.

Now the car is stock and is very slow.

fd3s = 1993 - 1995 mazda rx7

Wow, you can get up to 150mph on track on the west coast. Is that a fast track? Or a very, very fast car? I thought
that fastest (no stock car) track was like in virgnia. I don't know if it is the fastest I just seem to remember people saying really high mph and how it killed the brakes.

My fd3s. Mine is the pretty one

QUOTE (racerx7 @ Mar 31 2006, 10:28 PM)

Wow, you can get up to 150mph on track on the west coast. Is that a fast track? Or a very, very fast car?

sort of a combination of both I guess. Roger's car was like 1800-1850lbs with 350HP, so good power to weight. He is "flat out" through t8, which with the gearing he had in the car, put him between 150-160mph by his calculation. He warned me that he has been off t8 six times though. I dunno if I like the idea of an occassional off track excursion at 150mph. One time a wind gust blew him off the track.

Willow has two pretty long stretches, the longest really being turn 8 if you have about three things working for you

1 - you have the huevos to take the ridge up and outta turn 7 at some good speed to go into turn 8 because there is a bit of a "whoopty do" there that can get the car off the ground if not careful. Last time out I hit it pretty hard when Jack Olsen (911 guy pretty well known on the bird board) was following me and I saw him get out of it because I bet he thought I had lost it - the car shifted what felt like a foot straight left.

2 - the car can hang on through the slight bend. This is where the combo of the Hoosiers I have with the addition of a rear wing to plant the back of the car down will help me

3 - you have enough brake to deep into turn 9 but get slowed down enough to make it through t9.

The straight is good for some high speeds as well between t9 and t1 because t1 isn't as brutal as t9, so you can carry higher speed through it. A lot of guys with decently prepared 914s with built 4s or decent 6s tend to not like the big track as much because they are just flat out and cruising T8 and the straight, so not as much fun as a smaller track where they aren't "kicking back" at 125 waiting for the next good turn.

Another reason for the wing on my car is that many cars get light on the front end at high speed. 914s like to get light on the rear, and down the front stretch the time I went up around 140mph the car was feeling really twitchy.

And now that I see your car full size - the car that had the funky wing I mentioned before was an earlier version of the RX7.

Tim,

I appreciate your designers sense.

It's a challenge building a dual purpose car without too many compromises...

QUOTE

okay, I follow ya now. Your right, having a tube car with just enough 914 keep the "look", I could've built about anything. I don't really like how "racecar" dashes look - they tend to have minimalistic lines and such. The stock dash has "more character". And having a pretty stock interior (seat upgrades aren't that uncommon) kinda gives the illusion it is "sorta tuned", without looking "full race". I kinda wanted the car to look "like a hot rod" and not a full race car, but really have it be a full race car. Sheeps clothing sorta thing.   - originally I was going to have a minimum amount of cage in the interior to keep that "slightly upgraded" look, In the end, why a 914 specifically - when they are flared out and such, they just look damn cool to me, and I am a bit form over function when it comes down to it. They are low to the ground, short, and wide and that just looks cool to me.

OK I pulled the wheels off a C6 Z06 today. It does use some sort of one piece hub, flange, and bearing. Instead of using a typical German style CV joint it uses a tripod on both sides so any custom work will require either modifiying a tripod to allow the use of a standard joint or a custom axle with 930 splines on one end and the Corvette tripod on the other end.

Wonder why the used a tripod instead of a traditional CV joint?

Thanks for the props Felix - you are right about the difficulty of trying to build to 2 purposes - the NASCAR bars are just killing me because they stick out like a sore thumb for a "hot rod", but my personal safety outweighed that form v. function. I like my ribs in one piece

Brett - the stuff that AJ was showing me was capable of using a 930 CV joint according to him IIRC, so I don't know if the aftermarket company does some sort of conversion (most likely) or if he does. He said the way the bearing and hub is set up is much nicer than the stock Pcar stuff though. The bearings are different design and much stronger than the dual roller bearing thrust stuff the Pcars have.

They may also be some sort of "copy" of the ZR2 stuff, but not exactly GM as well.

Picked up my Stock Car Products dry sump pump on Friday - that is going to be a tight squeeze!! Probably have to mount it to the frame in fact (which will be fine as the engine is solid mounted as well). Standard 10lbs of shit in a 5lb bag issue with that honkin' V8 in that chassis. I will try to remember to get some pix later this week.

Yeah the aftermarket guys are actually making a new stub with the 930 bolt pattern on it. It is made from 300M or something like that.



I am giong to try and get me a C5/C6 axle to take apart and see what it looks like.

please allow myself to touch.. myself. Got the wheels in from UPS yesterday. As far as the tires, UPS must have a monkey for my delivery guy. Got one tire from Hoosier on Tuesday, box 2 of 2. Hmmm, wonder where 1 of 2 is?? Oh, apparently he/she didn't like the label , so it wasn't delivered and went back. Some sort of UPS scam to charge Hoosier a few extra bucks to "read" the label. Anyway, talk to UPS Tues night and everything is fine and will be delivered on Wed. So I get home, no tire, but 4 wheels. Call UPS - driver couldn't deliver because I was "closed". My house now has business hours apparently. The UPS operator had no clue wtf was going on as the package is clearly a residential package, he dropped the other one the day before, so forth. And why the hell would he drop 4 wheels, but not the tire? EEEdiot, gawd (my best attempt at Nap Dyno)

I just can't figure out why it has to be so difficult Hopefully the tire gets dropped today so I can mount and balance the rear for AJ to start fitting to the car on Friday.

wonder if the 10" rears will be wide enough

here is a link to the bird board with the recent updates for those that didn't catch it over there... those that did, well, your just gonna have to wait until Monday for more

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/showthread....threadid=276439

Can't wait for Saturday to see what more has been done this week! AJ thinks he may start the rear suspension next week if he can have the car up off the ground by Saturday. If he could start next Monday on rear suspension, I may only be 3-4wks away from firing this car up and tearing around the traffic circle in Orange - that is assuming my long-time friend is working that day (Orange PD, that is, gotta have an insider if yous gonna rip up some streets).

Probably just jinxed that, didn't I! Car won't be done by any means at that point, just means I can drive it around, make sure it all works and feels good, then tear it completely back apart yet again for acid dip, paint work, etc. I may take it to the track if an ACRA event is up shortly at that point just to feel it out, then rip it apart again. We'll see.

here is a new thread I am starting to continue the progress, but with the updated format since "The Great Virus Crash of 06"

http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showtopic=50151