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Johny Blackstain
QUOTE(Pat Garvey @ Jun 21 2007, 08:11 PM) *

QUOTE(Johny Blackstain @ Jun 19 2007, 04:56 PM) *

Last one, a top shot. Not done cleaning yet by a long shot, but it's like a time capsule from 1974.


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JB.

Is that a Bosche Blue coil? On an original 914 (LE, no less)? Shame, shame, shame!

Just kidding! I heard so much grief about mine that I thought spread the shame (like I'm going back to the original....).

Good stuff - let us know how lucky you are with respraying the battery tray area.
Pat


Pat- found some 1110 on the internet & ordered 2 cans. Just going to do the battery side & hopefully it'll match. If it does then I'll work on the front right fender well, inside the front trunk & smooth that out a bit. I was thinking of painting the coil black just to make it look better. I also landed a set of powder coated heating ducts on eBay & was going to replace my old oxidized ones. I've got SS heat exchagers. Should look very clean. I was reading in another thread that you plan on attending Parade in NC next year? So do I... got a buddy who lives there & I managed to talk his wife into giving me her garage space for a week next year laugh.gif .


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Pat Garvey
QUOTE(Johny Blackstain @ Jun 21 2007, 07:16 PM) *

QUOTE(Pat Garvey @ Jun 21 2007, 08:11 PM) *

QUOTE(Johny Blackstain @ Jun 19 2007, 04:56 PM) *

Last one, a top shot. Not done cleaning yet by a long shot, but it's like a time capsule from 1974.


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JB.

Is that a Bosche Blue coil? On an original 914 (LE, no less)? Shame, shame, shame!

Just kidding! I heard so much grief about mine that I thought spread the shame (like I'm going back to the original....).

Good stuff - let us know how lucky you are with respraying the battery tray area.
Pat


Pat- found some 1110 on the internet & ordered 2 cans. Just going to do the battery side & hopefully it'll match. If it does then I'll work on the front right fender well, inside the front trunk & smooth that out a bit. I was thinking of painting the coil black just to make it look better. I also landed a set of powder coated heating ducts on eBay & was going to replace my old oxidized ones. I've got SS heat exchagers. Should look very clean. I was reading in another thread that you plan on attending Parade in NC next year? So do I... got a buddy who lives there & I managed to talk his wife into giving me her garage space for a week next year laugh.gif .


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JB,
Yep, I'll be there. First Parade since '93 (which I was concours chair at). Already at work for it. Won 2 - want #3.
Any chance I can get a corner of that garge space? (just kidding). If I were you, i wouldn't paint the coil black - most every decent judge expects the 356/912/914 coils to be replaced with "blues". Wouldn't worry about it. Do the heating ducts, though.

Oh man, this will be fun! Lotsa folks I've known & lotsa folks I've never met (just yacked with) should be there. Who cares who wins! We all do anyway.

I'm buying a bottle of Craganmore for the winner. Course, if it's me, I get it all to myself!
Pat
bembry
Concerning the big black firewall pad in the engine bay--did all cars get them? Mine had one, but was nasty with overspray paint from who knows what. Also, my firewall has rust, so I just pulled the pad, at least for now.
d7n7master
stirthepot.gif I took these pics 'cause I know it's never gonna look quite like this again. av-943.gif

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d7n7master
QUOTE(bembry @ Jun 30 2007, 04:26 PM) *

Concerning the big black firewall pad in the engine bay--did all cars get them? Mine had one, but was nasty with overspray paint from who knows what. Also, my firewall has rust, so I just pulled the pad, at least for now.

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Mine had it too. Stock? confused24.gif I don't know. I had to remove it to look for rust. Got lucky. No rust behind it. Extra bad place for rust to hide. Cleaned, prepped & Por15'd everything & replaced the sound-pad with a much lighter replacement. Edge seal is direct from Home Depot - Hard as Nails Sealer (stuff rockz-but slow set time) 3 coats of Por15 behind the pad.






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Johny Blackstain
QUOTE(d7n7master @ Jul 7 2007, 12:49 AM) *

QUOTE(bembry @ Jun 30 2007, 04:26 PM) *

Concerning the big black firewall pad in the engine bay--did all cars get them? Mine had one, but was nasty with overspray paint from who knows what. Also, my firewall has rust, so I just pulled the pad, at least for now.

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Mine had it too. Stock? confused24.gif I don't know. I had to remove it to look for rust. Got lucky. No rust behind it. Extra bad place for rust to hide. Cleaned, prepped & Por15'd everything & replaced the sound-pad with a much lighter replacement. Edge seal is direct from Home Depot - Hard as Nails Sealer (stuff rockz-but slow set time) 3 coats of Por15 behind the pad.






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Yes, the black pad is stock, heavy & is prone to retaining moisture. It should be replaced w/ better materials, unless the word concours rears it's ugly head around you & your loved ones. Then you'd better find a way to clean off the overspray & put it back looking very unmolested.


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orthobiz
QUOTE(Pat Garvey @ Jun 21 2007, 10:55 PM) *

If I were you, i wouldn't paint the coil black - most every decent judge expects the 356/912/914 coils to be replaced with "blues". Pat


So, Pat, guess that means you wouldn't show up with a black one just to be more original, eh?

Anyway, my car is pretty unmolested and has a blue coil. Did all 914's come without the blue coil, i.e. blue coils are simply NOT original?

Paul
Johny Blackstain
QUOTE(orthobiz @ Jul 7 2007, 10:48 AM) *

So, Pat, guess that means you wouldn't show up with a black one just to be more original, eh?
Anyway, my car is pretty unmolested and has a blue coil. Did all 914's come without the blue coil, i.e. blue coils are simply NOT original?
Paul


Paul- as far as I know all 914s came w/ a regular Bosch black coil. It was a fairly common practice to upgrade to a blue the 1st time your blackie burned out or some other related distributor woes. Common for VWs' & 911s' as well. Blues were cheaper over a stock/dealer blackie & had more spark. As for Pat I don't trust him either, I think he's already shot it black biggrin.gif . Has he used the right kind is my question- flat, satin or gloss? I ain't saying happy11.gif !


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Pat Garvey
QUOTE(Johny Blackstain @ Jul 7 2007, 09:35 AM) *

QUOTE(orthobiz @ Jul 7 2007, 10:48 AM) *

So, Pat, guess that means you wouldn't show up with a black one just to be more original, eh?
Anyway, my car is pretty unmolested and has a blue coil. Did all 914's come without the blue coil, i.e. blue coils are simply NOT original?
Paul


Paul- as far as I know all 914s came w/ a regular Bosch black coil. It was a fairly common practice to upgrade to a blue the 1st time your blackie burned out or some other related distributor woes. Common for VWs' & 911s' as well. Blues were cheaper over a stock/dealer blackie & had more spark. As for Pat I don't trust him either, I think he's already shot it black biggrin.gif . Has he used the right kind is my question- flat, satin or gloss? I ain't saying happy11.gif !


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Oh, that's so ugly & so unneccesary. You think I'd scam you guys about a simple coil? Nope, I'll take the hit for the blue. Course, I still have my original coil & I COULD put it back on........no paint necessary. I COULD show up on Friday with the "blue" & replace it quickly with the orig for Monday. Now, there's a thought.

But nope! No support vehicle loaded with parts. It will be show as it left Philly. No scams!
Pat
Johny Blackstain
QUOTE(Pat Garvey @ Jul 7 2007, 09:53 PM) *

Oh, that's so ugly & so unneccesary. You think I'd scam you guys about a simple coil? Nope, I'll take the hit for the blue. Course, I still have my original coil & I COULD put it back on........no paint necessary. I COULD show up on Friday with the "blue" & replace it quickly with the orig for Monday. Now, there's a thought.

But nope! No support vehicle loaded with parts. It will be show as it left Philly. No scams!
Pat


Forive us Pat, we're just havin fun @ your expense. Foolish children, cause nothin matters till the fat lady sings & you know it biggrin.gif !


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Pat Garvey
QUOTE(Johny Blackstain @ Jul 7 2007, 07:59 PM) *

QUOTE(Pat Garvey @ Jul 7 2007, 09:53 PM) *

Oh, that's so ugly & so unneccesary. You think I'd scam you guys about a simple coil? Nope, I'll take the hit for the blue. Course, I still have my original coil & I COULD put it back on........no paint necessary. I COULD show up on Friday with the "blue" & replace it quickly with the orig for Monday. Now, there's a thought.

But nope! No support vehicle loaded with parts. It will be show as it left Philly. No scams!
Pat


Forive us Pat, we're just havin fun @ your expense. Foolish children, cause nothin matters till the fat lady sings & you know it biggrin.gif !


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Funny thing about sarcasm on the web - you can't apply facialisms (if that's a word). I WAS being sarcastic - no harm done - it was a joke (as was yours).

I learned MANY years ago, if you're going to dish it out - expect it in return. In fact, I appreciate it - it's how we bond! Have all the fun you want at my expense Al. See Eric's brake thread for my response!

And, it's all in good fun, though your brakes really suck!
Pat
1970 Neun vierzehn
A 1970 1.7..........
914werke
Now THAT is nice! smilie_pokal.gif
Pat Garvey
QUOTE(1970 Neun vierzehn @ Oct 23 2007, 04:12 PM) *

A 1970 1.7..........

Umm, without trying to arouse the wrath of all who think this is purty (and it definitely is), those hoses to & from the heater blower are suspect. Shouldn'y those be black plastic?
Pat Garvey
QUOTE(Jeff Bowlsby @ Aug 3 2006, 10:35 PM) *

I love the nostalgic vintage look of your engine bay Pat. For me, thats alot of what this hobby is about. I wish I could find those colored hoses somehere, I have looked everywhere. I am tempted to beach out the available gray fabric lines and try to dye them the right color.

I have found a high temp ceramic coating from Techline Coatings (titanium) that is a dead wringer for the stock gray high temp paint on the intake tubes, muffler and heat exchangers, and its more durable. You might look into it.

What is the issue with using new stainless screws, is it that big of a deduct?

Why not change the coil/bracket too?


I was cruising through old posts & realized that I'd never responded to the "colored hoses" issue. With help of wife, we re-dyed all but the green hoses some years back. I wouldn't bleach them because it would play hell with the rubber. We re-dyed the black & red hoses, after a good soaking in mild detergent & letting them dry, with RIT dye. They worked out really well, but that's been more than 15 years ago, and they've faded again.

Getting ready to replace all the reds & blacks from AA, just because of age & potential vac leaks. Wish I could find the green!

Pat
dw914er
ill take some photos when i work on the 1.7 next week to fix some intake runner leaks

cept for the blue bosch, most of the motor is pretty stock on its appearance
though very dirty, 230,000 miles, and 35 years later, its not as clean as it once was
zonedoubt
Can someone with a '75 1.8L post photos of original engine bay including EGR system? I'm putting mine back together and need some clues about component placement. I have the vacuum diagram which is great but it doesn't say how or where EGR is mounted, etc.
AvalonFal
Can't help with a 1.8L, but here's my '74 2.0L in progress, and getting there.

Paul

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Lavanaut
Fun thread, but awfully light on originality! And not even one factory /6 engine bay... sad.gif

Who's got the cleanest /6 out there? Would be nice to have some engine shots as a reference.
1970 Neun vierzehn
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A 1970 1.7..........
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Umm, without trying to arouse the wrath of all who think this is purty (and it definitely is), those hoses to & from the heater blower are suspect. Shouldn'y those be black plastic?
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Better?
1970 Neun vierzehn
...from the other side
HaraldD
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6freak
QUOTE(dekman @ Jan 6 2007, 03:05 PM) *

'70 914-6 w/ a 3.0Lwith 46mm webers


that coil is upside down i heard this is not good...Mine is mounted that very same way in the very same spot
6freak
QUOTE(HaraldD @ Nov 28 2008, 11:24 AM) *

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yet another one mounted the same way?????????????
6freak
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QUOTE(HaraldD @ Nov 28 2008, 11:24 AM) *

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yet another one mounted the same way?????????????

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6freak
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QUOTE(HaraldD @ Nov 28 2008, 11:24 AM) *

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yet another one mounted the same way?????????????

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Can someone give me an awnser on this! Coil upside down good or bad??
6freak
QUOTE(6freak @ Jan 7 2009, 09:33 AM) *

QUOTE(6freak @ Jan 6 2009, 01:56 PM) *

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QUOTE(HaraldD @ Nov 28 2008, 11:24 AM) *

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yet another one mounted the same way?????????????

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Can someone give me an awnser on this! Coil upside down good or bad??


Well!!...... someone anyone ....
Lavanaut
Dude. How many times are you going to quote that picture into this thread? poke.gif biggrin.gif

You're asking a valid question, but try asking it in the garage...this really isn't the spot. Plus not too many people view these threads.
6freak
QUOTE(Lavanaut @ Jan 7 2009, 02:13 PM) *

Dude. How many times are you going to quote that picture into this thread? poke.gif biggrin.gif

You're asking a valid question, but try asking it in the garage...this really isn't the spot. Plus not too many people view these threads.


Ok thanks i will try another way ....still green at this stuff
sixnotfour
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Can someone give me an awnser on this! Coil upside down good or bad??

porsche coil - good
msd coil - bad

Harold , the MM sticker is awesome, Is tha a factory GT engine also ?
HaraldD
Hello!
The sticker is original from the 70` :-)
It was on the Airfilter when i bought the Car. The Engine isn`t a Factory GT. The Porsche Dealer Max Moritz build it up to a 2,0 "S" with ALu/Nicasil Pistons and Cylinders, S Cams, Forged Rockers, S Crankshaft, Weber IDS and some other Goodies...all back 1970.
It have about 185 HP..... :-)
If you want more:

http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?s=&...t&p=1106630

Harald driving.gif





Harold , the MM sticker is awesome, Is tha a factory GT engine also ?
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Pat Garvey
QUOTE(Lavanaut @ Sep 12 2008, 01:41 PM) *

Fun thread, but awfully light on originality! And not even one factory /6 engine bay... sad.gif

Who's got the cleanest /6 out there? Would be nice to have some engine shots as a reference.

I agree!!

Calling James Smith.....show us the engine compartment of the Swissie. You won Parade twice, so show us the goods.
Pat
Jasfsmith
QUOTE(Pat Garvey @ Aug 29 2009, 10:18 PM) *

QUOTE(Lavanaut @ Sep 12 2008, 01:41 PM) *

Fun thread, but awfully light on originality! And not even one factory /6 engine bay... sad.gif

Who's got the cleanest /6 out there? Would be nice to have some engine shots as a reference.

I agree!!

Calling James Smith.....show us the engine compartment of the Swissie. You won Parade twice, so show us the goods.
Pat


I'll comply when I final learn how to take proper pictures of the engine compartment which hide all the grease and dirt...

(My past attempts at engine and interior compartment photos have failed miserably. Either took dark, or washed out from the flash. I'll give it another try. I can always edit the dirt out with photo shop.)
tod914
James just a suggestion, take the car outside. Turn the camera flash off, set to 200 or 400. Might be a touch dark, but if you want I can correct them if you like. Alittle work around you can try is, point the lens to a dark area in the bay. Then hold the shutter button 1/2 way to lock the exposure, then shift the lense to the area you want to shoot (while keeping the button 1/2 way down), then fully depress and take your your shot. Hopefully that will work for you.
Pat Garvey
QUOTE(Jasfsmith @ Aug 31 2009, 08:19 AM) *

QUOTE(Pat Garvey @ Aug 29 2009, 10:18 PM) *

QUOTE(Lavanaut @ Sep 12 2008, 01:41 PM) *

Fun thread, but awfully light on originality! And not even one factory /6 engine bay... sad.gif

Who's got the cleanest /6 out there? Would be nice to have some engine shots as a reference.

I agree!!

Calling James Smith.....show us the engine compartment of the Swissie. You won Parade twice, so show us the goods.
Pat


I'll comply when I final learn how to take proper pictures of the engine compartment which hide all the grease and dirt...

(My past attempts at engine and interior compartment photos have failed miserably. Either took dark, or washed out from the flash. I'll give it another try. I can always edit the dirt out with photo shop.)


And you dump on me for MY excuses........
Pat
euro911
Pat, did you ever have those paint stamps made up?

Is there a difference in the air filter top stamp from 70 ~ 7x?

I painted over the mostly-faded lettering on the air filter top when I 'spruced-up' some of the tin parts on my wife's 71 1.7L last year (mainly to keep the rust at bay). When it comes time for a total rebuild/restoration, I'd like to re-stamp the air cleaner and the left-side engine tin too.

Until that happens, this is pretty much how it will look drooley.gif

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Pat Garvey
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1. When I refinished my engine tin (many years ago!), I gave no regard to the white stampings on the drivers' side. I plan to have a paint stamp made when I can verify the correct number - 610, etc.
2. Same with the oil bath air cleaner - refinished it & destroyed the red pain stamping. Will have a paint stamp made for that too.
...

Pat

Pat, did you ever have those paint stamps made up?

Is there a difference in the air filter top stamp from 70 ~ 7x?

I painted over the mostly-faded lettering on the air filter top when I 'spruced-up' some of the tin parts on my wife's 71 1.7L last year (mainly to keep the rust at bay). When it comes time for a total rebuild/restoration, I'd like to re-stamp the air cleaner and the left-side engine tin too.

Until that happens, this is pretty much how it will look drooley.gif

No, I still haven't done it yet, though I am working on the artwork for "610".

Fairly certain that the text on the oil bath aircleaners was constant through the, and until, the changeover to filters. One of these days.....
Pat

70_914
QUOTE(sixnotfour @ Jan 19 2009, 05:40 AM) *

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Can someone give me an awnser on this! Coil upside down good or bad??

porsche coil - good
msd coil - bad

Harold , the MM sticker is awesome, Is tha a factory GT engine also ?



Oil filled coil, any brand - upside down is bad
Epoxy coil, any brand - upside down is fine

Shake your coil and you will know if it is epoxy or oil filled.
rick 918-S
Is this correct mounting for the AAR?
Pat Garvey
QUOTE(rick 918-S @ Jul 27 2011, 10:40 AM) *

Is this correct mounting for the AAR?

Yep
Bleyseng
QUOTE(rick 918-S @ Jul 27 2011, 01:40 PM) *

Is this correct mounting for the AAR?


Considering its the Decel valve not the AAR valve its correct. The AAR valve mounts on the engine.
How you mount the MPS (nose forward or back) is dependent on the vents on it. Do not mount it with the vents facing up! They fill up with dirt, grime and water!
tumamilhem
QUOTE(Pat Garvey @ Jan 18 2007, 10:25 PM) *

QUOTE(mrhurtalot @ Jan 18 2007, 07:05 AM) *

any tips on Engine bay cleaning? like to have it nicer in there.

mrhutrtlot.
Yes - two ways - and you'll hurtalot either way!

Method one - remove motor/trans. 2 hour cleanup from inside the bay (on jack stands). Do not use cleaning fluids that will render you duh or huh? Don't need them with contemporary chemicals, though I'd still wear a respirator. Really easy w/the motor out.

Method two - motor in. Lots more difficult, but can be done. Foremost, get a set of el-cheapo kneepads, and wear latex or rubber gloves. Why, becauseas you dig into the engine compartment you'll use your knees for bracing. Without the kneepads you'll make compression dents in the quarters. It's amazing what you can reach if you're not afraid of hurting the car, so dig in. First, remove everything removable (you didn't say what year your 914 was). Air filter, etc. Clean them separately. Then just tak some clean terry rags & start dgging for goo - you'll find plenty. Unless you're barely over 5 feet tall (like SOME people I know) you should be able to reach every cranny in there. After you've mopped up the really loose stuff, go back with another set of cloths lightly soaked in something like SimpleGreen or 409 (no solvents). Wipe until you come up with nothing. Take another fresh set of cloths (terry preferred) & do it again. I know it's simplistic sounding, but you need to reach into every fore/aft & side areas to do this - takes lots of rags & the wife will REALLY bitch when you throw them into the washer (trust me!). If you're forttunate, you'll have slim fingers to get under thigs like the induction tubes. If you're even MORE fortunate, you'll get your significant other involved to do this - they DO have very tiny fingers, that can get into places we gorillas cannot. Just be certain that the significant other realizes the daintiness of 914 bodywork - best to ask them to wear the kneepads & nothing else, so they don't hurt the bodywork. Worked ONCE for me - wish I'd taken pictures....or not.


Pardon my ignorance, Pat, but how about using Gunk (brand) engine degreaser and then Gunk engine detailer? Any harm there?
Pat Garvey
QUOTE(tumamilhem @ Nov 20 2012, 11:20 AM) *

QUOTE(Pat Garvey @ Jan 18 2007, 10:25 PM) *

QUOTE(mrhurtalot @ Jan 18 2007, 07:05 AM) *

any tips on Engine bay cleaning? like to have it nicer in there.

mrhutrtlot.
Yes - two ways - and you'll hurtalot either way!

Method one - remove motor/trans. 2 hour cleanup from inside the bay (on jack stands). Do not use cleaning fluids that will render you duh or huh? Don't need them with contemporary chemicals, though I'd still wear a respirator. Really easy w/the motor out.

Method two - motor in. Lots more difficult, but can be done. Foremost, get a set of el-cheapo kneepads, and wear latex or rubber gloves. Why, becauseas you dig into the engine compartment you'll use your knees for bracing. Without the kneepads you'll make compression dents in the quarters. It's amazing what you can reach if you're not afraid of hurting the car, so dig in. First, remove everything removable (you didn't say what year your 914 was). Air filter, etc. Clean them separately. Then just tak some clean terry rags & start dgging for goo - you'll find plenty. Unless you're barely over 5 feet tall (like SOME people I know) you should be able to reach every cranny in there. After you've mopped up the really loose stuff, go back with another set of cloths lightly soaked in something like SimpleGreen or 409 (no solvents). Wipe until you come up with nothing. Take another fresh set of cloths (terry preferred) & do it again. I know it's simplistic sounding, but you need to reach into every fore/aft & side areas to do this - takes lots of rags & the wife will REALLY bitch when you throw them into the washer (trust me!). If you're forttunate, you'll have slim fingers to get under thigs like the induction tubes. If you're even MORE fortunate, you'll get your significant other involved to do this - they DO have very tiny fingers, that can get into places we gorillas cannot. Just be certain that the significant other realizes the daintiness of 914 bodywork - best to ask them to wear the kneepads & nothing else, so they don't hurt the bodywork. Worked ONCE for me - wish I'd taken pictures....or not.


Pardon my ignorance, Pat, but how about using Gunk (brand) engine degreaser and then Gunk engine detailer? Any harm there?

I have no experience with Gunk detailer, but will tell you that any product with solvents in it will wreak havoc on older/newer rubber parts...keep it away from these parts (they get more expensive to replace every year, if they are still available). i.e., never let petro solvents near any boots or seals. I still prefer Simple Green for these instances, though wear gloves.

Gunk, brake cleaner, etc. is fine for cleaning/detailing parts such as tranny/engine casings. Just be careful of overspray, since it may discolor painted and ruin rubber parts. Wear a mask too - that stuff (unprotected) could leave your lungs with problems down the road. Whatever you decide to use never, ever, ever use acetone (MEK - methyl ethyl ketone). It works better than anything else, but you may as well throw your lungs on the floor (even with a mask), and it is as explosive as can be. I know - been there.
tumamilhem
Thank you Pat for your advice and suggestions. smile.gif
VG-914
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mrhutrtlot.
Method two - motor in.

Helps to remove rear trunk and engine covers too! Drop cardboard in the trunk and have a seat for your cleaning efforts! stirthepot.gif
73-914
Used to use MEK in fiberglass boat building, very NASTY stuff
JawjaPorsche
Red spark plug wires not original but I like how they bring color to the bay plus I like how they are not laying on the engine. Air intakes are a larger grey too.
AHudson
Currently have an empty engine bay, but the re-marriage has been announced!

altitude411
that looks damn nice... shades.gif
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