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rjames
post Oct 19 2023, 11:19 AM
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I know that there are already a bunch of threads on recommendations for replacement headlights for our cars, but as I am currently wading through all of it I can find in search of a quality LED replacement that isn't just 'brighter' than stock, but also emits an effective and safe light beam pattern, I thought I'd share where I'm at so far.

One of the other threads I found here suggested contacting lighting expert Daniel Stern of https://www.danielsternlighting.com/ for a recommendation. I contacted him and he recommended the Philips H6024 LEDs. These looked great on the car, but unfortunately the lens stuck out farther than stock and the headlight buckets wouldn't close without rubbing against the 'eyebrows'.

I circled back with Daniel and he then recommended the JW Speaker 0554941 lights instead.
Not cheap, and definitely further away from the stock look. I'm still considering options, but wanted to share all of this, plus an interview that Jalopnik did with Daniel Stern that provides some good information on LED headlights for others that might be interested in some expert info on this topic.
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post Nov 2 2023, 05:18 PM
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post Nov 2 2023, 05:48 PM
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QUOTE(gereed75 @ Nov 2 2023, 07:18 PM) *

Race only is a liability limiting disclaimer


It’s more of an admission that the product is not DOT compliant and otherwise not legal for on-road use.

DOT compliance is sort of like building code, it’s just a bare minimum - that keeps contractors from getting sued as long as they comply.

In this case of non-DOT it’s sort of the opposite. the supplier admits it is non-compliant for on-road use and supposedly shifts the “liability” to the end user knowing full well that the chance of the user getting pulled over for excessive light glare is non-existent. And in the event the end-user did get pulled over - the supplier is off the hook since they didn’t mark it as DOT compliant. Win - win for everyone except the other road users that are the oncoming traffic getting glared. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/hissyfit.gif)

The problem with non-DOT lighting is you have no idea why it isn’t compliant. Poor beam pattern? Too much glare for oncoming traffic? Bad optics? Who knows. Could be that it isn’t capable of even meeting the bare minimums . . . Or it could be the manufacturer just didn’t want to pay to test and certify it. You’ll never know which it is. With something like a non-DOT muffler - you know . . . It’s too loud. Lighting isn’t that simple.

The bigger problem is NHTSA & US DOT is a clown show. There are far better lighting technologies that have been available in Europe like active matrix LED and adaptive shadowing for oncoming vehicles.

Problem is that the US is perpetually behind the 8 ball. Same as when H4 lighting was widely available in Europe but US was stuck with sealed beams thanks to DOT regulation.

Toyota petitioned NHTSA back in something like 2013 to allow active headlight technology. It was just approved in Feb 2022. Only a decade behind the rest of the world. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/headbang.gif)
https://www.nhtsa.gov/press-releases/nhtsa-...0new%20vehicles.
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rjames   LED Headlights revisited   Oct 19 2023, 11:19 AM
Cairo94507   Hi Robert - I went through this too. I ended up g...   Oct 19 2023, 11:35 AM
StarBear   Hi Robert - I went through this too. I ended up ...   Oct 19 2023, 01:06 PM
rjames   I've been looking at those, too. The article I...   Oct 19 2023, 11:38 AM
brant   I too went with the vintage LED We parked my car n...   Oct 19 2023, 12:08 PM
Geezer914   I went with a pair of Truck-Lites 27270C. They re...   Oct 19 2023, 01:16 PM
rjames   Daniel mentions the Truck-Lite headlights as one o...   Oct 19 2023, 01:35 PM
Morrie   Daniel mentions the Truck-Lite headlights as one ...   Oct 19 2023, 03:18 PM
Superhawk996   I highly encourage people to read the article I...   Oct 21 2023, 11:24 AM
rjames   [b] I highly encourage people to read the artic...   Oct 22 2023, 01:59 PM
BillJ   Vintage LEDs are awesome. Just get them   Oct 19 2023, 01:39 PM
Olympic 914   I have the Trucklites in now. Very bright, especi...   Oct 19 2023, 04:17 PM
Geezer914   I had to add a 6ohm 50w led resistor when I instal...   Oct 19 2023, 04:34 PM
gereed75   What BillJ said. Got ‘em, Classic look, great l...   Oct 19 2023, 07:36 PM
johnhora   Has anyone ever used the VintageCarLED H4 bulbs on...   Oct 19 2023, 09:04 PM
rjames   Has anyone ever used the VintageCarLED H4 bulbs o...   Oct 19 2023, 09:13 PM
johnhora   Thanks Bob...   Oct 20 2023, 12:19 PM
technicalninja   From what I got from the Vintage site is that thei...   Oct 20 2023, 05:02 PM
BillJ   Why mix and match instead of a tested and delivere...   Oct 20 2023, 07:15 PM
rjames   Why mix and match instead of a tested and deliver...   Oct 20 2023, 10:50 PM
Stratfink   For the guys running vintage car LEDs, which versi...   Oct 21 2023, 02:03 AM
BillJ   I went with the VC5000 i believe. They are great l...   Oct 21 2023, 05:49 AM
fiacra   Any thoughts on the 914Rubber kit? Less than 1/2 ...   Oct 21 2023, 06:28 AM
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mepstein   Porsche is now selling a plug in h4 led bulb.   Oct 21 2023, 07:24 AM
burton73   More light, more better Bob B   Oct 21 2023, 09:07 AM
technicalninja   Why mix and match instead of a tested and deliver...   Oct 21 2023, 10:41 AM
Cairo94507   I believe the only way you are getting your car to...   Oct 21 2023, 10:52 AM
mepstein   I believe the only way you are getting your car t...   Oct 21 2023, 10:58 AM
gereed75   My (and Cairo Mikes) experience with Vintage LEDs ...   Oct 21 2023, 08:00 PM
JeffBowlsby   I’m running this kit from VintageCar LEDs, an ex...   Oct 21 2023, 08:22 PM
horizontally-opposed   Many LED "bulbs" from specialty supplier...   Oct 22 2023, 01:56 PM
Optimusglen   To add to the mix. I have the LED bulbs from 914Ru...   Oct 23 2023, 11:43 AM
rjames   Install of the JW Speaker 0554941 headlights compl...   Oct 30 2023, 08:47 AM
burlybryan   Throwing in my 2 cents - I recently replaced my he...   Oct 30 2023, 10:40 AM
rjames   "Good HID and LED headlamps are terrific; the...   Oct 30 2023, 11:05 AM
johnhora   Here's all the Holley LED lighting https://ww...   Nov 1 2023, 03:46 PM
mb911   These work perfectly and you can buy from about th...   Nov 2 2023, 04:01 AM
rjames   These work perfectly and you can buy from about t...   Nov 2 2023, 09:56 AM
87m491   You answered your own question. They work "p...   Nov 2 2023, 02:43 PM
rjames   You answered your own question. They work ...   Nov 2 2023, 05:02 PM
mb911   You answered your own question. They work ...   Nov 2 2023, 05:28 PM
gereed75   Race only is a liability limiting disclaimer   Nov 2 2023, 05:18 PM
Superhawk996   Race only is a liability limiting disclaimer I...   Nov 2 2023, 05:48 PM


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