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post Feb 10 2015, 08:16 PM
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Hi all. I'm new to this forum and to 914s. I'm seriously interested in purchasing a 914 LE. I live in New Zealand and would like to get one shipped here. Due to costs and time involved in shipping to NZ the car I purchase will be a keeper for many years.
I don't have the time to recondition one so would like to purchase one that is in very good condition. Can any one please tell me how much I could expect to pay for a very good condition LE as I have no idea. I'm happy to wait for several months or more for a LE to come up for sale.
Thanks in advance.
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post Mar 1 2015, 06:50 PM
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I have an impeccable LE Creamsicle. One of the first made, made on Valentine's Day 1974. Fully restored and rebuilt, the previous owner and I have put loads of money into this car. The engine is rebuilt, the tranny is rebuilt, it maintains the original fuel injection and I've replaced all the essential fuel injection parts with new parts. There's not much else to do to this car it's all been done. Its so nice that it was accepted in the Amelia Island Concours d'Elegance Cars and Coffee in two weeks (Amelia is one of the two most prestigious classic car shows in the world). Creamsicles are twice as scarce as Bumblebees (there's twice as many Bumblebees remaining in existence than Creamsicles). so not only is this the rarest production car in existence, it's also been fully restored. So if I even consider letting mine go, I would have to consider its rarity and the amount of time and money that has been put into it to make it the magnificent example it is today. And I'd have to be able to get another car just as nice to replace it.
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post Mar 2 2015, 08:14 AM
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QUOTE(tumamilhem @ Mar 1 2015, 07:50 PM) *

I have an impeccable LE Creamsicle. One of the first made, made on Valentine's Day 1974. Fully restored and rebuilt, the previous owner and I have put loads of money into this car. The engine is rebuilt, the tranny is rebuilt, it maintains the original fuel injection and I've replaced all the essential fuel injection parts with new parts. There's not much else to do to this car it's all been done. Its so nice that it was accepted in the Amelia Island Concours d'Elegance in two weeks, which is one of the two most prestigious classic car shows in the world. Creamsicles are twice as scarce as Bumblebees (there's twice as many Bumblebees remaining in existence than Creamsicles). so not only is this the rarest production car in existence, it's also been fully restored. So if I even consider letting mine go, I would have to consider its rarity and the amount of time and money that has been put into it to make it the magnificent example it is today. And I'd have to bbe able to get another car just as nice to replace it.



I'm sure that your car is a wonderful example however let's not get too carried away.

According to Jeff Bowlsby's site, there are:

of the remaining Can Am cars, there are

142 bumblebees

95 creamsickles

237 Total LE's

So, to say that there are twice as many bumblebee's is a stretch, closer to 50% more which maybe is what you meant. Plus, Jeff's site is just informational and not "official" so there may be other LE's out there that are not on his site. When I found my LE in 2010 it was not listed in his database and every once in a while another one pops up.

Congrats on your Creamsickle and acceptance to Amelia Island Concours d'Elegance. It should be a great event. Can't wait to see the pics..
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I have an impeccable LE Creamsicle. One of the first made, made on Valentine's Day 1974. Fully restored and rebuilt, the previous owner and I have put loads of money into this car. The engine is rebuilt, the tranny is rebuilt, it maintains the original fuel injection and I've replaced all the essential fuel injection parts with new parts. There's not much else to do to this car it's all been done. Its so nice that it was accepted in the Amelia Island Concours d'Elegance in two weeks, which is one of the two most prestigious classic car shows in the world. Creamsicles are twice as scarce as Bumblebees (there's twice as many Bumblebees remaining in existence than Creamsicles). so not only is this the rarest production car in existence, it's also been fully restored. So if I even consider letting mine go, I would have to consider its rarity and the amount of time and money that has been put into it to make it the magnificent example it is today. And I'd have to bbe able to get another car just as nice to replace it.



I'm sure that your car is a wonderful example however let's not get too carried away.

According to Jeff Bowlsby's site, there are:

of the remaining Can Am cars, there are

142 bumblebees

95 creamsickles

237 Total LE's

So, to say that there are twice as many bumblebee's is a stretch, closer to 50% more which maybe is what you meant. Plus, Jeff's site is just informational and not "official" so there may be other LE's out there that are not on his site. When I found my LE in 2010 it was not listed in his database and every once in a while another one pops up.

Congrats on your Creamsickle and acceptance to Amelia Island Concours d'Elegance. It should be a great event. Can't wait to see the pics..

Those numbers you quote are correct. But notice I said drivers. Half of the cars in those numbers are shells of cars, deteriorated, etc. The VINs exist, but not all of them are complete cars.

Also LEs were better drivers because of their suspension. They came with frint and rear sway bars and upgraded shocks.
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Also LEs were better drivers because of their suspension. They came with frint and rear sway bars and upgraded shocks.
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Marginal difference, but I'll take my 911 front-end, 5 bolt fuchs with wider tires, and sway bars front and rear. Sure, not original, but handles and stops better than 914-4 suspension/brakes.

As for the engine, I agree Porsche made a some mods, but HP/torque gains were minimal and not unique to an LE.

As I mentioned, I realize the prices are pushing into the 911 SC/Carrera range, and I also understand collector versus driver cars, but I can't figure out why a paint scheme (and sway bars that any owner can easily and inexpensively add) brings the value up so much. Am I overlooking something?
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I can't figure out why a paint scheme (and sway bars that any owner can easily and inexpensively add) brings the value up so much. Am I overlooking something?
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Not overlooking anything as far as I can tell, but for some folks seems to be worth paying a pretty good premium for.
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[quote name='87m491' date='Mar 5 2015, 06:59 PM' post='2155231']
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I can't figure out why a paint scheme (and sway bars that any owner can easily and inexpensively add) brings the value up so much. Am I overlooking something?
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Not overlooking anything as far as I can tell, but for some folks seems to be worth paying a pretty good premium for.
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I don't get it too (IMG:style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif) Nice to look at, but it's just a paint job with a little add on's. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/confused24.gif)
Yes, it's worth a little more $$. It gets down to, no rust, matching engine #, paint condition, mileage, low production #'s, history, factory options, etc. etc. the price should always be based on all these things & a few more I didn't list. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/stirthepot.gif)
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Creamsicle New Zealand   What price for a LE 914   Feb 10 2015, 08:16 PM
tumamilhem   I have an impeccable LE Creamsicle. One of the fir...   Mar 1 2015, 06:50 PM
budk   I have an impeccable LE Creamsicle. One of the fi...   Mar 2 2015, 08:14 AM
tumamilhem   I have an impeccable LE Creamsicle. One of the f...   Mar 4 2015, 07:06 PM
somd914   Also LEs were better drivers because of their su...   Mar 4 2015, 11:59 PM
Creamsicle New Zealand   Also LEs were better drivers because of their s...   Mar 5 2015, 03:33 AM
87m491   I can't figure out why a paint scheme (and ...   Mar 5 2015, 04:59 PM
TJB/914   I can't figure out why a paint scheme (and...   Mar 31 2015, 05:59 AM
mepstein   I can't figure out why a paint scheme (an...   Mar 31 2015, 06:04 AM
billh1963   The more it gets talked about the more it become...   Mar 31 2015, 06:21 AM
bulitt   [quote name='mepstein' post='2167745' date='Mar 3...   Apr 2 2015, 12:25 PM
tumamilhem   Posting error   Mar 30 2015, 10:50 PM
tumamilhem   Posting error   Mar 30 2015, 10:52 PM
tumamilhem   I have an impeccable LE Creamsicle. One of the f...   Mar 30 2015, 11:00 PM
Creamsicle New Zealand   I have an impeccable LE Creamsicle. One of the fi...   Mar 2 2015, 07:36 PM
Creamsicle New Zealand   Tumamilhem can you contact me on steve@chch.planet...   Mar 1 2015, 10:15 PM
somd914   Not many LEs around for sale, you could be waiting...   Mar 2 2015, 05:45 AM
Creamsicle New Zealand   Not many LEs around for sale, you could be waitin...   Mar 2 2015, 07:23 PM
HaraPuzo   I know you're searching for a creamsicle. I fo...   Mar 3 2015, 07:20 AM
Creamsicle New Zealand   I know you're searching for a creamsicle. I f...   Mar 3 2015, 01:12 PM
SteveLE   Hello, new to this site but not to LE's. As c...   Mar 3 2015, 07:14 PM
budk   Hello, new to this site but not to LE's. As ...   Mar 3 2015, 08:47 PM
somd914   I realize collectors markets are frequently driven...   Mar 4 2015, 07:29 AM
mepstein   A 914-4 with an unique trim package isn't clos...   Mar 4 2015, 08:20 AM
tumamilhem   A 914-4 with an unique trim package isn't clo...   Mar 4 2015, 07:09 PM
mepstein   A 914-4 with an unique trim package isn't cl...   Mar 4 2015, 07:27 PM
rdauenhauer   Envy   Mar 4 2015, 09:28 AM
pete000   What ever they are worth I love that picture !   Mar 4 2015, 04:26 PM
Johny Blackstain   I could never part with my Creamsicle, so to me it...   Mar 4 2015, 07:57 PM
Creamsicle New Zealand   I could never part with my Creamsicle, so to me i...   Mar 4 2015, 10:03 PM
SteveLE   I could never part with my Creamsicle, so to me i...   Mar 5 2015, 12:05 PM
poorsche914   ... but my LE is so pristine I barely drive it for...   Mar 6 2015, 09:15 PM
Johny Blackstain   ... but my LE is so pristine I barely drive it fo...   Mar 6 2015, 09:32 PM
mepstein   :)   Mar 5 2015, 06:25 AM
somd914   "Rarity is probably the single biggest factor...   Mar 5 2015, 08:29 AM
somd914   :agree: Sorry, should have commented also - awes...   Mar 5 2015, 12:48 PM
sda4property@gmail.com   Steve, 20 Emails back & forth. Contact me ove...   Mar 20 2015, 01:51 PM
914werke   So exactly then why are all you self professed ske...   Apr 2 2015, 01:11 PM
billh1963   So exactly then why are all you self professed sk...   Apr 2 2015, 01:41 PM
tumamilhem   So exactly then why are all you self professed sk...   Apr 2 2015, 01:43 PM
87m491   This argument is a bit convoluted and hard to foll...   Apr 4 2015, 10:38 AM
mepstein   This argument is a bit convoluted and hard to fol...   Apr 4 2015, 12:42 PM
Johny Blackstain   That's like saying the 1973 911 2.7 and 3.0 9...   Apr 8 2015, 10:22 AM
MDG   Aside form the paint, stickers & front spoile...   Apr 8 2015, 11:18 AM
billh1963   Aside form the paint, stickers & front spoil...   Apr 8 2015, 11:31 AM
Johny Blackstain   Aside form the paint, stickers & front spoil...   Apr 8 2015, 11:43 AM
MoveQik   [quote name='MDG' post='2171397' date='Apr 8 2015...   Apr 8 2015, 11:50 AM
poorsche914   ... I have to find a relative to will the car to i...   Apr 8 2015, 12:19 PM
tumamilhem   [quote name='MDG' post='2171397' date='Apr 8 2015...   Apr 8 2015, 12:54 PM
PANTLODE   I saw a cross post on Eric's FB page of a pos...   Apr 8 2015, 03:37 PM
tumamilhem   That's like saying the 1973 911 2.7 and 3.0 ...   Apr 8 2015, 12:49 PM
mepstein   Your right. There was a fiberglass front spoiler t...   Apr 2 2015, 01:59 PM
bulitt   Hi all. I'm new to this forum and to 914s. I...   Apr 2 2015, 03:20 PM
rnellums   Should 98 paint code (special order paint to Porsc...   Apr 2 2015, 09:27 PM
mepstein   Should 98 paint code (special order paint to Pors...   Apr 2 2015, 09:59 PM
tumamilhem   Ross - The value of your car is what ever you wan...   Apr 3 2015, 09:04 AM
banananose914   Let us not forget the Popsicle, and the always tro...   Apr 2 2015, 10:02 PM
tumamilhem   Should 98 paint code (special order paint to Pors...   Apr 3 2015, 09:01 AM
scotty b   911 RS = 914-6 GT M471 914 LE = 911 Weissach....w...   Apr 4 2015, 07:14 PM
somd914   And a few more limited edition Porsches from their...   Apr 4 2015, 09:11 PM
mepstein   And a few more limited edition Porsches from thei...   Apr 4 2015, 09:29 PM
scotty b   no stickers or fancy paint needed to make that sal...   Apr 5 2015, 05:49 AM
rdauenhauer   :screwy: :deadhorse:   Apr 5 2015, 03:43 AM
billh1963   :screwy: :deadhorse: Methinks you are missing ...   Apr 5 2015, 04:54 AM
MDG   To the OP's question, the price is whatever yo...   Apr 5 2015, 07:36 AM
MoveQik   Without rumors or second hand stories, what is the...   Apr 7 2015, 06:03 PM
tumamilhem   Without rumors or second hand stories, what is th...   Apr 7 2015, 08:34 PM
MoveQik   Without rumors or second hand stories, what is t...   Apr 7 2015, 09:18 PM
mepstein   [quote name='tumamilhem' post='2171204' date='Apr...   Apr 8 2015, 05:32 AM
tumamilhem   [quote name='tumamilhem' post='2171204' date='Apr...   Apr 8 2015, 10:08 AM
MoveQik   Well mine would have sold for a high number if I...   Apr 8 2015, 10:18 AM
billh1963   Tommy says he has had some offers. Perhaps he shou...   Apr 8 2015, 06:06 AM
87m491   Might be good to know anecdotally, but only an act...   Apr 8 2015, 07:16 AM
MoveQik   Tommy says he has had some offers. Perhaps he sho...   Apr 8 2015, 08:25 AM
MDG   Good points. And the OP's initial query was th...   Apr 8 2015, 07:53 AM
billh1963   I say put up or shut up (in other words quit the h...   Apr 8 2015, 11:00 AM
tumamilhem   I say put up or shut up (in other words quit the ...   Apr 8 2015, 12:50 PM
MDG   I agree. And the cool thing with some of the cars ...   Apr 8 2015, 12:08 PM
Johny Blackstain   edit: I don't know why I always call Al ...Jo...   Apr 8 2015, 12:19 PM
G e o r g e   I agree. And the cool thing with some of the cars...   Apr 8 2015, 03:02 PM
Johny Blackstain   This LE if numbers matching must be worth a lot e...   Apr 8 2015, 03:30 PM
MDG   Nice. I'm digging the colour scheme on the bla...   Apr 8 2015, 12:27 PM
Johny Blackstain   Nice. I'm digging the colour scheme on the bl...   Apr 8 2015, 12:37 PM
Socalandy   This is like a fishing trip, gill nets were outlaw...   Apr 8 2015, 01:14 PM
tumamilhem   This is like a fishing trip, gill nets were outla...   Apr 8 2015, 01:17 PM
billh1963   [quote name='billh1963' post='2171391' date='Apr ...   Apr 8 2015, 01:20 PM
tumamilhem   With respect, I'm not comfortable posting the ...   Apr 8 2015, 01:33 PM
billh1963   With respect, I'm not comfortable posting the...   Apr 8 2015, 01:36 PM
dlkawashima   Bullsh!t Of course it's BS. Tommy is ha...   Apr 8 2015, 03:27 PM
poorsche914   ... I don't know if an LE has *sold* for over ...   Apr 8 2015, 04:28 PM
MoveQik   Rare, rare rare....if rarity is the only factor in...   Apr 8 2015, 01:34 PM
billh1963   Rare, rare rare....if rarity is the only factor i...   Apr 8 2015, 01:38 PM
Johny Blackstain   A few years back, 5 or 6 I think, King George sold...   Apr 8 2015, 01:36 PM
mepstein   It's still about condition and originality. Th...   Apr 8 2015, 01:47 PM
MoveQik   I'd offer moveqik $80 for his car but co...   Apr 8 2015, 01:50 PM
Socalandy   With respect, I'm not comfortable posting the...   Apr 8 2015, 01:57 PM
tumamilhem   With respect, I'm not comfortable posting th...   Apr 8 2015, 04:45 PM
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