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What price for a LE 914, What price for a LE 914 |
Creamsicle New Zealand |
Feb 10 2015, 08:16 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 83 Joined: 5-February 15 From: New Zealand Member No.: 18,403 Region Association: Australia and New Zealand |
Hi all. I'm new to this forum and to 914s. I'm seriously interested in purchasing a 914 LE. I live in New Zealand and would like to get one shipped here. Due to costs and time involved in shipping to NZ the car I purchase will be a keeper for many years.
I don't have the time to recondition one so would like to purchase one that is in very good condition. Can any one please tell me how much I could expect to pay for a very good condition LE as I have no idea. I'm happy to wait for several months or more for a LE to come up for sale. Thanks in advance. Steve |
tumamilhem |
Mar 1 2015, 06:50 PM
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LUFTBRIGADE Group: Members Posts: 1,228 Joined: 29-October 12 From: Jacksonville, FL Member No.: 15,092 Region Association: South East States |
I have an impeccable LE Creamsicle. One of the first made, made on Valentine's Day 1974. Fully restored and rebuilt, the previous owner and I have put loads of money into this car. The engine is rebuilt, the tranny is rebuilt, it maintains the original fuel injection and I've replaced all the essential fuel injection parts with new parts. There's not much else to do to this car it's all been done. Its so nice that it was accepted in the Amelia Island Concours d'Elegance Cars and Coffee in two weeks (Amelia is one of the two most prestigious classic car shows in the world). Creamsicles are twice as scarce as Bumblebees (there's twice as many Bumblebees remaining in existence than Creamsicles). so not only is this the rarest production car in existence, it's also been fully restored. So if I even consider letting mine go, I would have to consider its rarity and the amount of time and money that has been put into it to make it the magnificent example it is today. And I'd have to be able to get another car just as nice to replace it.
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budk |
Mar 2 2015, 08:14 AM
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Yes! It's a Bumblebee! Group: Members Posts: 678 Joined: 24-July 10 From: Hickory, PA Member No.: 11,970 Region Association: MidAtlantic Region |
I have an impeccable LE Creamsicle. One of the first made, made on Valentine's Day 1974. Fully restored and rebuilt, the previous owner and I have put loads of money into this car. The engine is rebuilt, the tranny is rebuilt, it maintains the original fuel injection and I've replaced all the essential fuel injection parts with new parts. There's not much else to do to this car it's all been done. Its so nice that it was accepted in the Amelia Island Concours d'Elegance in two weeks, which is one of the two most prestigious classic car shows in the world. Creamsicles are twice as scarce as Bumblebees (there's twice as many Bumblebees remaining in existence than Creamsicles). so not only is this the rarest production car in existence, it's also been fully restored. So if I even consider letting mine go, I would have to consider its rarity and the amount of time and money that has been put into it to make it the magnificent example it is today. And I'd have to bbe able to get another car just as nice to replace it. I'm sure that your car is a wonderful example however let's not get too carried away. According to Jeff Bowlsby's site, there are: of the remaining Can Am cars, there are 142 bumblebees 95 creamsickles 237 Total LE's So, to say that there are twice as many bumblebee's is a stretch, closer to 50% more which maybe is what you meant. Plus, Jeff's site is just informational and not "official" so there may be other LE's out there that are not on his site. When I found my LE in 2010 it was not listed in his database and every once in a while another one pops up. Congrats on your Creamsickle and acceptance to Amelia Island Concours d'Elegance. It should be a great event. Can't wait to see the pics.. |
tumamilhem |
Mar 4 2015, 07:06 PM
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LUFTBRIGADE Group: Members Posts: 1,228 Joined: 29-October 12 From: Jacksonville, FL Member No.: 15,092 Region Association: South East States |
I have an impeccable LE Creamsicle. One of the first made, made on Valentine's Day 1974. Fully restored and rebuilt, the previous owner and I have put loads of money into this car. The engine is rebuilt, the tranny is rebuilt, it maintains the original fuel injection and I've replaced all the essential fuel injection parts with new parts. There's not much else to do to this car it's all been done. Its so nice that it was accepted in the Amelia Island Concours d'Elegance in two weeks, which is one of the two most prestigious classic car shows in the world. Creamsicles are twice as scarce as Bumblebees (there's twice as many Bumblebees remaining in existence than Creamsicles). so not only is this the rarest production car in existence, it's also been fully restored. So if I even consider letting mine go, I would have to consider its rarity and the amount of time and money that has been put into it to make it the magnificent example it is today. And I'd have to bbe able to get another car just as nice to replace it. I'm sure that your car is a wonderful example however let's not get too carried away. According to Jeff Bowlsby's site, there are: of the remaining Can Am cars, there are 142 bumblebees 95 creamsickles 237 Total LE's So, to say that there are twice as many bumblebee's is a stretch, closer to 50% more which maybe is what you meant. Plus, Jeff's site is just informational and not "official" so there may be other LE's out there that are not on his site. When I found my LE in 2010 it was not listed in his database and every once in a while another one pops up. Congrats on your Creamsickle and acceptance to Amelia Island Concours d'Elegance. It should be a great event. Can't wait to see the pics.. Those numbers you quote are correct. But notice I said drivers. Half of the cars in those numbers are shells of cars, deteriorated, etc. The VINs exist, but not all of them are complete cars. Also LEs were better drivers because of their suspension. They came with frint and rear sway bars and upgraded shocks. |
somd914 |
Mar 4 2015, 11:59 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 1,171 Joined: 21-February 11 From: Southern Maryland Member No.: 12,741 Region Association: MidAtlantic Region |
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Also LEs were better drivers because of their suspension. They came with frint and rear sway bars and upgraded shocks. [/quote] Marginal difference, but I'll take my 911 front-end, 5 bolt fuchs with wider tires, and sway bars front and rear. Sure, not original, but handles and stops better than 914-4 suspension/brakes. As for the engine, I agree Porsche made a some mods, but HP/torque gains were minimal and not unique to an LE. As I mentioned, I realize the prices are pushing into the 911 SC/Carrera range, and I also understand collector versus driver cars, but I can't figure out why a paint scheme (and sway bars that any owner can easily and inexpensively add) brings the value up so much. Am I overlooking something? |
87m491 |
Mar 5 2015, 04:59 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 274 Joined: 29-July 12 From: Portland, the original! Member No.: 14,731 Region Association: North East States |
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I can't figure out why a paint scheme (and sway bars that any owner can easily and inexpensively add) brings the value up so much. Am I overlooking something? [/quote] Not overlooking anything as far as I can tell, but for some folks seems to be worth paying a pretty good premium for. |
TJB/914 |
Mar 31 2015, 05:59 AM
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Mid-Engn. Group: Members Posts: 4,327 Joined: 24-February 03 From: Plymouth & Petoskey, MI Member No.: 346 Region Association: Upper MidWest |
[quote name='87m491' date='Mar 5 2015, 06:59 PM' post='2155231']
[/quote] I can't figure out why a paint scheme (and sway bars that any owner can easily and inexpensively add) brings the value up so much. Am I overlooking something? [/quote] Not overlooking anything as far as I can tell, but for some folks seems to be worth paying a pretty good premium for. [/quote] (IMG:style_emoticons/default/agree.gif) I don't get it too (IMG:style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif) Nice to look at, but it's just a paint job with a little add on's. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/confused24.gif) Yes, it's worth a little more $$. It gets down to, no rust, matching engine #, paint condition, mileage, low production #'s, history, factory options, etc. etc. the price should always be based on all these things & a few more I didn't list. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/stirthepot.gif) My humble opinion. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/popcorn[1].gif) Tom |
mepstein |
Mar 31 2015, 06:04 AM
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914-6 GT in waiting Group: Members Posts: 19,274 Joined: 19-September 09 From: Landenberg, PA/Wilmington, DE Member No.: 10,825 Region Association: MidAtlantic Region |
[quote name='TJB/914' date='Mar 31 2015, 07:59 AM' post='2167744']
[quote name='87m491' date='Mar 5 2015, 06:59 PM' post='2155231'] [/quote] I can't figure out why a paint scheme (and sway bars that any owner can easily and inexpensively add) brings the value up so much. Am I overlooking something? [/quote] Not overlooking anything as far as I can tell, but for some folks seems to be worth paying a pretty good premium for. [/quote] (IMG:style_emoticons/default/agree.gif) I don't get it too (IMG:style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif) Nice to look at, but it's just a paint job with a little add on's. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/confused24.gif) Yes, it's worth a little more $$. It gets down to, no rust, matching engine #, paint condition, mileage, low production #'s, history, factory options, etc. etc. the price should always be based on all these things & a few more I didn't list. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/stirthepot.gif) My humble opinion. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/popcorn[1].gif) Tom [/quote] The more it gets talked about the more it becomes a "thing". When Jeff made the registry, It helped it become more of a defined "thing" Nothing wrong with liking the "thing", everyone has to decide whats important and valuable to them. It gets silly if you let others decide that for you. |
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