 i want balls. monoballs, that is., help me decide which ones |
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| nebreitling |
 Jul 5 2005, 02:23 PM
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Member Emeritus  Group: Members Posts: 3,314 Joined: 26-March 03 From: San Francisco Member No.: 478  |
Okay, i know of 4 options for monoballs that will fit our cars.
looking for feedback on any of them, particularly the rennline product, as it's the cheapest option (and since i've cut my chassis/strut-mounts, i don't need aftermarket camberplates to get more camber). ------------- 1st option, Tarret http://www.tarett.com/Browse_Item_Details....89_911912914930 strut mounts with monoballs already inside. $450 (IMG:http://www.gprparts.com/brands/tarett/images/strutMounts.jpg) --------------- 2nd option, Weltmeister http://www.weltmeister.com/ProductDetails....x?productID=371 look similar to the tarret, but weltmeister stuff is generally quite a bit higher on the 'crap' factor. don't have a price. (IMG:http://www.weltmeister.com/ProductImages/911_camberplate.jpg) ------------------ 3rd option, Elephant racing http://www.elephantracing.com/suspension/m...edmonoballs.htm okay, they make good $hit. only a bearing, doesn't include camber plates or anything -- but again, i don't need these. they are "sealed" for protection from the elements. $295 (IMG:http://www.elephantracing.com/images/monoball/911/frontmonoball/monoballwseal.gif) ----------------------- 4th option, Rennline http://www.rennline.com/suspension/monoballs914.htm these are also sealed, come without strut mounts, just the bearing, but only cost $225. i can almost swallow that, but i'm wondering if the quality is as high as elephant racing. (IMG:http://www.rennline.com/photos/products/porsche/suspension/image/frontmonoball_911.jpg) ------------------------ please, discuss amongst yourselves... |
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| bd1308 |
Jul 5 2005, 02:27 PM
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Sir Post-a-lot Group: Members Posts: 8,020 Joined: 24-January 05 From: Louisville,KY Member No.: 3,501 |
too much talk about monoballs....i'll keep my duoballs thank you.
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| Aaron Cox |
Jul 5 2005, 02:37 PM
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Professional Lawn Dart Group: Retired Admin Posts: 24,541 Joined: 1-February 03 From: Corona, CA Member No.: 219 Region Association: Southern California |
seen the tarett ones up close. havent used any yet.
trying to GAIN camber? or just for the ZERO Give Factor??? |
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| nebreitling |
Jul 5 2005, 02:46 PM
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Member Emeritus Group: Members Posts: 3,314 Joined: 26-March 03 From: San Francisco Member No.: 478 |
yeah, i've handled the tarret ones. they are nice, i just don't need the plates that come along with them.
definitely don't need to gain more neg camber. after my modifications, i can get up to -3.0 LF and -3.4 RF. which is plenty. however, in doing these mods, i realized how flexible that rubber really is. next time you have your strut out, stick a pipe into the strut mount from above and wiggle it around. unbelievable how much it gives, and my rubber is in really good shape. that can't be good for handling.... so yeah, i want the zero-give factor. it makes me horny. |
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| Aaron Cox |
Jul 5 2005, 02:49 PM
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Professional Lawn Dart Group: Retired Admin Posts: 24,541 Joined: 1-February 03 From: Corona, CA Member No.: 219 Region Association: Southern California |
how do the balls attach to the strut mount???
BTW - whats the next weakest link?? think the fender/body mount will begin to give??? |
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| nebreitling |
Jul 5 2005, 02:59 PM
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Member Emeritus Group: Members Posts: 3,314 Joined: 26-March 03 From: San Francisco Member No.: 478 |
one uses the stock strut mounts. i believe that each cartridge comes together from either side of the mount. which is nice, cause i won't have to re-align the car later. pita. as for the next weakest link, that's a good question, but having cut part of it, i believe that area of the chassis is pretty damn strong. |
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| Mueller |
Jul 5 2005, 03:12 PM
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914 Freak! Group: Members Posts: 17,150 Joined: 4-January 03 From: Antioch, CA Member No.: 87 Region Association: None 
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| nebreitling |
Jul 5 2005, 03:24 PM
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Member Emeritus Group: Members Posts: 3,314 Joined: 26-March 03 From: San Francisco Member No.: 478 |
very cool shot, mike
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| Mueller |
Jul 5 2005, 04:03 PM
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914 Freak! Group: Members Posts: 17,150 Joined: 4-January 03 From: Antioch, CA Member No.: 87 Region Association: None
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I got more: Cross section pictures of a 914, rare view for most (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/smile.gif) |
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| Jeroen |
Jul 5 2005, 04:03 PM
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914 Guru Group: Members Posts: 7,887 Joined: 24-December 02 From: The Netherlands Member No.: 3 Region Association: Europe |
If you don't need the extra neg camber, you don't need to spend the big bucks on the Tarett strutmounts
(or the Wevo's which are equally nice) Dito for the weltmeister plates. Those wouldn't be my choice anyway since I've heard some bad stories about those... So what you need is a monoball insert (which just replace the rubber part in your stock strutmount) I had the Elephants on my 911. They're nice and they come with a weatherseal (not sure that's needed though - when I got 'em it wasn't an option yet) What I specially like about the Elephant's is that you don't need no weird-ass spanners or other "use em once and never again" tools. Just a pair of those big adjustable wrenches (what do you call those in English?) which you can pick up everywhere for cheap and you can use for other stuff as well There are others out there. Not sure what the ones from Smart Racing cost, but they've got 'em IIRC Stromski Racing (check the ads in Excellence) has some cheaper ones And there's an outfit in Canada that has cheap ones (google on Villeneuve and Porsche) Installing is pretty simple. Unbolt the top of the shock (not the strutmount!) and get it out of the way Cut or burn the stock rubber part out of the strutmount and replace it with the monoball insert Put the shock back through it No need to get a realignment |
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| ArtechnikA |
Jul 5 2005, 04:12 PM
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rich herzog Group: Members Posts: 7,390 Joined: 4-April 03 From: Salted Roads, PA Member No.: 513 Region Association: None |
Stomski and RennLine parts are uniformly excellent. i have (various) parts from both of them, and Elephant, and IMO you will have no qualms about the quality from any of them.
i'm using the WEVO CamberKing, but the 911 *needs* a strut brace, and a 914 doesn't... |
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| TimT |
Jul 5 2005, 04:17 PM
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retired Group: Members Posts: 4,033 Joined: 18-February 03 From: Wantagh, NY Member No.: 313 |
yes (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/laugh.gif) |
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| TimT |
Jul 5 2005, 04:21 PM
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retired Group: Members Posts: 4,033 Joined: 18-February 03 From: Wantagh, NY Member No.: 313 |
seriously though, I have a set (of the inserts) on my 911 made by Strasse, I think I paid $198~200 for them when they first came on the market a few years ago.
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| nebreitling |
Jul 5 2005, 05:23 PM
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Member Emeritus Group: Members Posts: 3,314 Joined: 26-March 03 From: San Francisco Member No.: 478 |
cool guys -- this was just the feedback i wanted. i just pulled the trigger on the rennline units. $225 + shipping, comes with its installation tool.
will report back on how effective it is, hopefully it will get here on friday, so i can sport it at the AX on saturday... |
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| URY914 |
Jul 5 2005, 07:03 PM
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I built the lightest 914 in the history of mankind. Group: Members Posts: 126,087 Joined: 3-February 03 From: Jacksonville, FL Member No.: 222 Region Association: None |
There is a north of the border option. I found this guy...
http://www.apfvilleneuve.com/english.htm I emailed him and he will take a wire $ transfer. Never seen them in person. Paul |
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| Jeroen |
Jul 5 2005, 07:11 PM
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914 Guru Group: Members Posts: 7,887 Joined: 24-December 02 From: The Netherlands Member No.: 3 Region Association: Europe |
Yep, that's who I meant... |
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| nebreitling |
Jul 5 2005, 07:12 PM
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not a bad price, either. $195 canadian... shit, i think i spent that on lunch the other day here in cali... not gonna cancel my order, though. the rennline's ought to do the trick just fine.
(IMG:http://www.apfvilleneuve.com/piece%202.jpg) |
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| grantsfo |
Jul 5 2005, 07:13 PM
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Arrrrhhhh! Group: Members Posts: 4,327 Joined: 16-March 03 Member No.: 433 Region Association: None |
Damn it! You know if you say they make a big improvement, I'll have to fork out some dough and buy some too. |
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| nebreitling |
Jul 5 2005, 07:17 PM
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Member Emeritus Group: Members Posts: 3,314 Joined: 26-March 03 From: San Francisco Member No.: 478 |
grant, they're worth like 25hp -- each -- at the rear wheels. you should get some.
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