 Price of Jake's 2270cc, With all bells & whilses |
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| Jake Raby |
 Nov 29 2005, 12:13 AM
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Engine Surgeon  Group: Members Posts: 9,394 Joined: 31-August 03 From: Lost Member No.: 1,095 Region Association: South East States  |
OK.. Crunching the nu,mbers finally got to me.. Its been a bitch of a long day and I'm crashing early...
I have the standardized prices about 1/2 way finished and will post them tomorrow evening as I have a dyno session that srats at 0730 and will last most of the day... I have decided on the following engines to offer as standard units: 2270"A" (the original base engine for the current 2270 daily driver)140BHP/150TQ 2270 "C" (The original base engine for the current 2270 performer) 150 BHP/160 TQ 2316 Annihilator- Base engine as developed in 2002 with only standard equipment 165BHP/165 TQ 2374 AutoX special- I dug this one up from 1998- I have not built one for 4 years.... Its a high torque low revver thats simpler to build than most other 82mm stroker engines. It makes 165BHP and about 175 TQ.. Thats the list and I will add the prices and specifics tomorrow as I get time. I have a very good break down of whats included (the best I can and not spill the beans for copy cats to see) All engines still 100% complete, turn key only lacking exhaust systems.. These standard engines won't be getting a solid days worth of dyno tuning, nor will I spend hours trying to optimize the combo for someone particular environment- these are base engines and are as simple as anything will ever be from my shop.... It will be interesting to see how ths drastic change impacts the "914 situation" here.. |
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| JeffBowlsby |
Nov 29 2005, 12:49 AM
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914 Wiring Harnesses Group: Members Posts: 8,512 Joined: 7-January 03 From: San Ramon CA Member No.: 104 Region Association: None 
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I think even thats too complicated, the engines appear to be very similar. How about just 2 engines only:
Guys who want bone stock engines go else where and they go to Jake for performance. The 2270 A or C and the 2374 Annihilator only. There is enough difference to make them reasonable choices, where the other two are so close in performance. I would think its hard to feel the difference of just 10 HP or 10 ft-lbs. Hey you could prefab these ready to ship! |
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| grantsfo |
Nov 29 2005, 12:56 AM
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Arrrrhhhh! Group: Members Posts: 4,327 Joined: 16-March 03 Member No.: 433 Region Association: None |
QUOTE(trekkor @ Nov 28 2005, 01:05 PM) Jake, I applaud you (IMG:style_emoticons/default/clap56.gif) All the money and business stuff aside. You kept your cool and I respect you for that. I'll never spend that kind of money for *ANY* motor. Then again, there are prospective clients of mine who won't *EVER* pay what I ask for my tile work either. You have enough work to get you by... So do I. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif) KT To put things in perspective I'm buying a completely new 2006 Mazda MX-5 for my wife for close to the cost of the 2270cc Type 4 motor in question. Think about the R&D, assembly costs, product liability costs, advertising costs, transportation expenses, dealer network costs, etc in that entire new Mazda. And the MX-5 comes with a 48 month 50,000 warranty! Makes a $20K Jaby 2270cc with wiz bang fuel injection seem sorta crazy given that any 914 with this 2270cc engine wont be worth a 1/3 the cost of the motor once its installed. We already saw that with the AZ car. I just think there is a more efficient and cost effective way to produce a quality performance T4. Maybe Jake will find a way to reduce his motor costs with volume? We can always hope! |
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| ChrisFoley |
Nov 29 2005, 06:18 AM
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I am Tangerine Racing Group: Members Posts: 7,928 Joined: 29-January 03 From: Bolton, CT Member No.: 209 Region Association: None
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(IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/agree.gif) I assembled a 2056 engine for a club member this year. No disassembly, crankcase and crankshaft already prepped. If the customer had added Nickies the price would have been around 8K without any dyno time or "blueprinting". The only special treatment it got was ceramic lifters (at the old price).
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| i love porsche |
Nov 29 2005, 06:30 AM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 1,547 Joined: 6-May 04 From: Nutley, NJ Member No.: 2,030 Region Association: North East States |
jake, still going to make the 2056 kit?
thats on my list for the next year and a half |
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| blitZ |
Nov 29 2005, 07:18 AM
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Beer please... Group: Members Posts: 2,223 Joined: 31-August 05 From: Lawrenceville, GA Member No.: 4,719 Region Association: South East States |
I think the standard pricing is for custom engines, hopefully the kits continue the same. To me personally (and financially), the kit is the most practical way to obtain a Raby engine. |
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| heavydriver |
Nov 29 2005, 08:20 AM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 158 Joined: 7-August 04 From: Orlando, Fl. Member No.: 2,470 |
I guess 5 pages was a low ball estimate as well..... (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/poke.gif) (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/poke.gif) (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/popcorn[1].gif)
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| VaccaRabite |
Nov 29 2005, 08:37 AM
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En Garde! Group: Admin Posts: 13,446 Joined: 15-December 03 From: Dallastown, PA Member No.: 1,435 Region Association: MidAtlantic Region |
Up your settings. I'm not even past page 2 yet. (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/bootyshake.gif) Zach |
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| DNHunt |
Nov 29 2005, 08:38 AM
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914 Wizard? No way. I got too much to learn. Group: Members Posts: 4,099 Joined: 21-April 03 From: Gig Harbor, WA Member No.: 598 |
Ok, I just can't stay out of this.
I signed one of Jake's contracts for a kit. I thought it covered things very well. It was certainly tidy and defined resposibilty on both of our parts. Now, Jake never stuck to the terms of it. It clearly stated that if the engine failed it was 100% the builder's (that was me) responsibilty. Well, my engine failed twice and Jake has eaten almost all of the costs associated with the failures. He could have cut me loose or charged me for replacement parts and he would have been within the terms of the contract. He didn't do that. WHAT'S THAT WORTH GUYS? It's cetainly easy to focus on the upfront cost. Hell, my eyes got big when I saw $19,000. But, there may be more to it than dollars spent. We've chosen a quirky little car that has too small of a following to support much aftermarket. As a result, we have to use good used parts, or fab stuff or pay for one off new in some cases. It's too bad but it's the cost of this little hobby. Jake has chosen a niche at the top of the money chain. His stuff is well made and he stands behind it and he should charge whatever people will pay. Dave |
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| Jake Raby |
Nov 29 2005, 08:53 AM
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Engine Surgeon Group: Members Posts: 9,394 Joined: 31-August 03 From: Lost Member No.: 1,095 Region Association: South East States |
Thanks Dave....
I didn't follow the parameters set forth by the proposal when you had those failures because you are one hell of a guy.. You have attention to detail that with a tad more experienece with a wrench would parallel my own, no doubt. You didn't cry, you didn't whine and you didn't say "I spent X amount of dollars and this damn piece of junk failed"... Words like that will send an email straight to my trash bin and I won't read it any further. I only enforce the rules when people break my rules, start yelling and get out of control.. Thats only happened twice in the last 10 years. As far as the standardized engines go- They do not count engine kits.. Those are already standardized, also please understand that a "Type 4 Store" kit is NOT a RABY ENGINE! The engine builder was the purchaser of the kit, not me and not Brent... A Raby engine has my serial number on it and was 100% prepped and assembled here. Engine kits and parts are not in the same classification.. Both divisions of my company are very separate here, on purpose. Blitz, The standard pricing will be for standard base engines. Custom engines are no longer being offered for 914 applications- If the gloves I offer don't fit, or still cost too much you'll be stuck with some kind of conversion. The highest performance engine I will offer will now be 170 HP. I will post the standardized pricing and etc later- its back to the dyno for me now.. |
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| rhodyguy |
Nov 29 2005, 08:55 AM
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Chimp Sanctuary NW. Check it out. Group: Members Posts: 22,082 Joined: 2-March 03 From: Orion's Bell. The BELL! Member No.: 378 Region Association: Galt's Gulch |
or...you can spend $1.9k on a sweetheart of an engine, spend another $137 to get it back home, $350 to freshen up the heads, $125.28 for rings and a gasket kit (and that's with a discount, thanks), clutch package-another $250 or so (can't remember off hand), and you're at $2762.28. another $? for misc machine work, what ever the market will bear for solving the cam and lifter issue and don't forget bearings. the only save is that i have my own carbs and mallory, but i'll mentally add the rebuild kits for them(carbs). close to $2.8k invested for a heap of loose parts, not done spending, and that doesn't include fuel to drive all over western washington. pain, pain, pain. a simple 2056, opened up cast cyls, a $6k or so engine that i can "put my carbs on and install", looks like a bargan. oh yea, can't forget the money i owe a friend for the 2.0 crank i have and will prob need. oh oh, don't forget the oil pump and cam gears. shit. fuck. i really needed this mental excersize first thing this am. forgot flywheel machining...
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| Bleyseng |
Nov 29 2005, 09:40 AM
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Aircooled Baby! Group: Members Posts: 13,034 Joined: 27-December 02 From: Seattle, Washington (for now) Member No.: 24 Region Association: Pacific Northwest |
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| Jake Raby |
Nov 29 2005, 09:58 AM
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Engine Surgeon Group: Members Posts: 9,394 Joined: 31-August 03 From: Lost Member No.: 1,095 Region Association: South East States |
I think he is finally gone now... All his stuff is off the samba...
Kevin, pay for the shipping and I'll send you a 2 liter crank thats virgin and very nice.. (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/boldblue.gif) |
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| rhodyguy |
Nov 29 2005, 10:07 AM
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Chimp Sanctuary NW. Check it out. Group: Members Posts: 22,082 Joined: 2-March 03 From: Orion's Bell. The BELL! Member No.: 378 Region Association: Galt's Gulch |
perhaps i should just send you $200 and the crap thrown in a box. (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/chairfall.gif) JUST KIDDING!!. the crank i have (dh's) had std/std bearings on it. so, fingers crossed, so hopefully it will speck out. nothing will happen with my engine until after the first of the year. money and tax glitch. thanks jake. i'll wait for now, but like an elephant, i won't forget. (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/wink.gif)
re the other guy. sometime ago another victim surfaced at the feedback section at the samba. perhaps everett barnes done give you know who da boot. k |
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| Flat VW |
Nov 29 2005, 11:16 AM
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Illegal Soapbox Derby Racecar Group: Members Posts: 1,692 Joined: 13-November 04 From: Phoenix, AZ Member No.: 3,105 |
Wanna race for pink slips? (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/chowtime.gif) Jerome, AZ to Prescott Valley, AZ (an old stagecoach trail, TWYSTY). (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/MDB2.gif) I could then sell off the ricer for maintence parts for my car. John (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/dhead.gif) (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/w00t.gif) P.S. Could you buy her a white one? I always prefer white rice. (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/rocking nana.gif) P.P.S. On second thought, that air conditioning might be nice in July though.... (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/idea.gif) |
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| MoveQik |
Nov 29 2005, 11:24 AM
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What size wheels can I fit? Group: Members Posts: 4,645 Joined: 5-April 05 From: Scottsdale, AZ Member No.: 3,881 Region Association: Southwest Region  |
That is funny (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/stromberg.gif) John! Funny (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/stromberg.gif) ...... Hope to see you at the Toys for Tots breakfast! |
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| Flat VW |
Nov 29 2005, 11:34 AM
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Illegal Soapbox Derby Racecar Group: Members Posts: 1,692 Joined: 13-November 04 From: Phoenix, AZ Member No.: 3,105 |
Thank you, Thank you very much, (in my best Elvis voice complete with lip curl, [fat Elvis]. John (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/w00t.gif) P.S. As Mike always says: "Please remember to tip your server." |
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| BIGKAT_83 |
Nov 29 2005, 01:29 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 1,798 Joined: 25-January 03 From: Way down south Bogart,GA Member No.: 194 Region Association: South East States
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Is that offer for any Miata??? Might be able to arrange something. (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/smilie_pokal.gif) (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/smilie_pokal.gif) Bob |
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| SLITS |
Nov 29 2005, 02:14 PM
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"This Utah shit is HARSH!" Group: Benefactors Posts: 13,602 Joined: 22-February 04 From: SoCal Mountains ... Member No.: 1,696 Region Association: None  |
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Going for 10................no I won't change my settings.....I'm at peace with the universe this way. |
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| bd1308 |
Nov 29 2005, 02:15 PM
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Sir Post-a-lot Group: Members Posts: 8,020 Joined: 24-January 05 From: Louisville,KY Member No.: 3,501 |
(IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/popcorn[1].gif) me and the crazy neighbor chillin' and waitin' for the page to turn....
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