Now you can see it guys!! It looks just like a 914 right?

Where is the 914 Gugelot design smilie going down in flames?

I think we should infiltrate the Saab & Arbath owners' websites, & start rumors at each that Gugelot actually designed their sports cars with the glass fastbacks there too!

The smoking gun was always the early clay model...

Targa roof and high fenders ... Just like on a 911 Targa.

From http://www.gugelot.de/gugelot/bmw-bayer_sportwagen.php

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Well I think ...that most of the comments and information should be moved into ...the...ORIGINALITY & HISTORY forum. most of this information is too important to be "lost " in the world garage forum.

Good point ME733.

Is it possible to edit out the non-essential information and lock down the good info on a separate thread?

There's already a link in the "Classics" forum.



Do we have any good writers here?
I've been meaning to submit this to Excellence Magazine, but my writing skills are rather marginal ...
Andy

At least we can now trace this project ... Gugelot car 1/1 clay model ? what car is this ?

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More has been posted about the Gugelot car here

The one who says this is the 914 ancestor has to wear glasses ...

http://www.formfreu.de/?p=10392

http://www.hansgugelot.com/bilder/content_.../Markt-1990.pdf

http://www.hansgugelot.com/bilder/content_...Information.pdf

http://www.hansgugelot.com/de/bmw-bayer_sportwagen.php

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My 914 history book states:

"Porsche already knew of an existing design study by a nearby company, Gugelot GMBH, for a front-engined sports car made out of advanced composite materials. This was acquired and quickly adapted by Butzl Porsche to accept either engine in a mid-mounted arrangement similar to Porsche's racing models."

Yes. A lot of books are repeating that same statement.


The purpose of this thread was to show what really happened ...
Andy

From journalist imagination. Not even an idiot would buy a project to "quickly" adapt it to a completely different architecture and make a 100% different design. That is nonsense.

the picture above was not from the Gugelot / BMW / Bayer project but is the ...

Opel 1900 GT Aero prototype. Was it also "quickely adapted" from the Gugelot design ?
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Haha good one!

So are there pics of the other four models that were considered in the Porsche design contest before they settled on our beloved 914 as we know it today?

Yeah, Eric, good one! From seven years ago.

More pictures from the Bayer K67 Car designed by Guguelot










More pictures here

http://www.motor-talk.de/blogs/kuesmagazin...s-t3370902.html

http://www.formfreu.de/2009/09/26/bayer-k6...olyurethan-bmw/

Nice! Ugly, but nice ...

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Hmmm..mid 60's 924/944/968.
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see item #4 above,a tray spoiler like no other designer's.
A long gestation of styling ideas.
kudos.

On this NYT article it is written that the Gugelot story has been reported by Bernt Polster...

"Bernd Polster, a leading German design historian, traces the 914’s basic shape to a design that Gugelot created for a never-built car planned by a plastics company. But F. A. Porsche, known as Butzi, who designed the 911, denied that story in an interview in the book “Porsche 914 & 914-6: The Definitive History of the Road and Competition Cars” by Brian Long (Veloce Publishing, 2006)."

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/11/04/automobi.../04PORSCHE.html

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Excellent reading, and history lesson.....going to do some more reading on it.

Great old school photos and clay models

Interesting story

Stumbled on this thread while re-researching the 914 history and development. Kudos to all concerned who brought forth evidence for the in-house 914 body development. I suspect there may have been indirect influences, seeing as maybe the designers in Germany ran in a small circle or were following similar trends, but it looks like Klie fleshed out the final design cues and it was the one that ultimately Porsche adopted for the 914.

Klie's "development" 914 car also shows a lot of different pieces placed together into one evolving car. What has happened to its restoration and its current state of affairs?

There is a thread about this car
http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showtopic=81380