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What's not to like?An alloy hemi V8.
And it's "Teutonic".

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WEFJ9kkFGN0


6:1 comp 2.5 L aircooled V8,just add turbo.

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single seater t507 bvlv originally designed to test new aluminum V8 engine with OHV prepared personally for uozv Tatra 603

http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/threads...hemi-v8.484366/

A link to some q+a.

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Mid engine alloy hemi pushrod V8.
model 603 2.5L,75X72mm BXS.

A step up is the model 613,4cam,16v 3.5L engine.
85x77mm BXS
model 700 4.4L efi
produced until '9x?

Well,someone out there in the hinterlands of the E.U. must have a handle on these lightweight V8s.
If not,an Opportunity exists to meet the demand for the unique small 4+8 zylinders.
Other than auto applications,a kitplane aero app may move a few of them.
Simply gather as many pieces that you can and put up an Ebay/Samba for sale sign.
I'm somewhat surprised that a VW/Porsche fan from the Continent hasn't considered a powerplant of such attributes.
A further question regarding the dimensions of the bore spacing and cylinder stud pattern remain unanswered.
Scaling a photo may derive a close number,but only close.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wLUGSm6Th-Q


Judging by the positive reaction on virtually every blog and posting for the last decade,a surprising number of wrenchers would like to have such engines.
And to think the Ford V8 of '32 was it's contemporary.
In hindsight now,it's no surprise that the ArDun head for the Fhead Ford used a similar,independent latest big breathing pentroof/crescent design.
An aftermarket to develop hotrod parts for the engine never happened.
Rollertip rockers,rollerlifters,modern valves,all the things you would do to your aircooled VW,Porsche,Corvair,Hirth,Rotax...
I haven't seen anyone other than the factory turbo the engines,so,you could be the first.
Could be fun.

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Tatra 613 4.4L DOHC 16V aircooled
appears to be 6spd transaxle from a front drive vehicle,Getrag?.(edit:11/10/15)All Tatra ,6spdSuitable for 4X4,6X6.
http://translate.google.ca/translate?hl=en...440%26bih%3D712
http://www.tatra603team.cz/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qtzpRBuJmPw...gdTROrvzuXCZL1Q
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GKwPoKhJh5g...L1Q&index=4
(some Sabbath involved.Heavy metal,for those unfamiliar with the genre)

4-cam valve action,sounds good.note the convenient covers between the cams,to adjust lash quickly.400hp na.


A nice design from the time of Elvis.
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a link to the car designer's story.
http://translate.google.ca/translate?hl=en...440%26bih%3D712
http://ommszem.blog.hu/2007/10/11/fiokba_zart_gran_turismo
a real beauty,


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ao5OF7EXDcw

A nice one,utility,military application,Will fit nicely into a 914,a 4x4 914!
Yes,a 924/944 early differential,cvs,axles,a custom upright to carry the hub.
A few details and some hotrod tech,and a short stroke turbo screamer to make it all good.
A good deal if you can acquire them.
A quest for a European,or a source of parts for the next custom X-12.
Not only possible,but imperative.

Have you seen these? Both are design built around the 914 unibody. Either would be interesting to refine/update.

Hispano-Aleman
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Or the Tapiro: Link with pics
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Frua,driven at speed.
One off,elegant design.

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PX A nice airy glass house.
A 6 under glass
like the wheels now,always did.

4 bolt

Weird. The front is definitely five-bolt, the rear looks like four-bolt.

EDIT:
Looking at the pics on the website linked shows they were all five-bolt. So the four-bolt look must be an illusion. Probably the "uneven" part of the bolt pattern (where it does not match with the eight spokes) is out of sight on that rear wheel.

--DD

yep, 5 bolt. % in the center square, neat

Sure,a great idea,rather than purchasing an off the rack auto,make a custom.
California is a goldmine of automotive design/build talent.
Start like we all did,scratching our "Lambo"with a pencil on the back page of notebooks.Mockup scale models and when the results please you,move to full-size mounted on the recipient Fiero chassis.Beat alloy panels into shape over wooden bucks like Bertone or layup into a mold pulled from a buck.
So yeah,a huge effort is required,and at the end you may have something like a Bradley or (hopefully) a Frua 914.I suppose that is why I can appreciate the results
Eberhard Shulz attained with his Imperator 108 in the '70s.A verbatim replica of others work would not suffice,so he designed and built his own.An achievement like that requires more than a passing knowledge of design and manufacture.
It all starts with an idea,so determine what your quest is then blaze a path.
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A perfect example of meticulous,determined construction methods.
wow

http://www.gt40s.com/forum/wings-wheels-ke...0-dreaming.html
Bruce McLaren"woosh bonk...done"

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first look,a 356RSR,love

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funny thing,found.
from this angle it looks better.
the addition of discrete features+nasa ducts
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A relic of the past,it has grown on me.


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Kinda has some F40 details,V8 too.

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Nope,
Ferrari 308GT4
Maserati Bora
Maserati Merak
Fiat X19
BMW M1
DeTomaso Pantera
DeTomaso Mangusta

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pontiac_Fiero

The idea of a low powered runabout with a mid mounted transverse engine was a demonstration of technology sophistication.

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The engineering that went into the stamped steel chasssis produced a rigid crash safe exoskeleton.
The only production mid of America.
Check the prices of that poor car and compare to any other mid.
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80 mph transverse rollover crash tests passed.

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http://www.italdesign.it/en/projects/ford-maya-iies-eng/
http://www.fiero.nl/cgi-bin/fiero/Ultimate.cgi?action=intro
All that's required is a dieman to create repair panels for the chronic rust areas.
Then add lightweight power for a decent mid sportster.
Different crash safety requirements,the reason for the 914's cancellation.

That is AWESOME!

The more I more I consider the cylinder heads of the 4cam 613,the more I'm inclined to think they may fit quite easily onto a Corvair shortblock.
Gears are turning here.
A flat 6 or 8 from the Carpathian Mountains.

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Bolts? Sure, I've got Bolts.


http://ffilms.org/young-frankenstein-1974/

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This is the 8 cylinder type 1 Emerson had built and raced.
went real fast

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http://www.wired.com/2011/05/emerson-fitti...gine-vw-beetle/

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wow ..
split down the middle
on a boxster

Yup..
Real big air scoops

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more power,more air,more drag,more power...

Ghia by Karmann
Liked them back then,still do.

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Big Sis,early 60s,had that new VW aroma.

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updated headlamps
nerf bars

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http://www.oldbug.com/finch.htm
A more accurate report of this gorgeous Ghia.

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an attempt at sloping the headlamps to approximate the windscreen.
the chrome rings are retained
conformal

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Side view with cam tower exposed showing lifter-block registers and seats.
A custom barrel to carry a roller lifter can be fabricated to seat in the existing bore.

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The stud spacing appears to be wide enough to accommodate an 90mm bore cylinder.
Visible cylinder bore is 75mm,so perhaps as much as 90mm(+15mm)
Anyone out there have real specifications of the head stud spacing?
(as resolved from drawing,102mm bcd)

http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?sho...22522&st=98

edit:an 80mm(+8mm) stroke would yield 4.07 L,an increase of 1.5L .

Aircooled V8 hemispherical head 16 V pushrod alloy engine.
What's not to like?The crank is likely forged as the diesel manufacturing requires them.
All around a decent small V8 with great potential,just needs some modern tech applied to them.
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Have a look at these few vids.
https://www.youtube.com/results?search_quer...gine&page=1
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The numbers here are very close,so,a maximum bore diameter of ~90mm.
The cast iron lifter bore bodies are seen attached to the cam tower.Custom versions made to carry roller lifters would fit nicely.
At the bottom,one of the oil coolers is seated on it's seal flanges,the temperature sender at the top of the stud.
The distributor barrel is at the right.

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Isdera Erator GTE,Eberhard Shulz.
I even like his first off.
There was a yewtube of it being thrashed through the black forest,driver's view.(now removed)

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MyYgYho43mQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=khxgb2EP5ac


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f2AMLaTDXAo


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https://www.google.ca/search?q=Isdera+Erato...QkJBa0Q_AUIBigB
https://www.google.ca/search?q=isdera+imper...UoeAFAQ_AUIBigB
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hmmm Fiero not,a Ford mockup.

http://www.italdesign.it/en/projects/ford-maya-iies-eng/
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http://www.fiero.nl/forum/Forum3/HTML/000091-53.html

Looking for a new dash?
Some ideas from the custom Fiero world
Immaculate work by Amida
10/10

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oZZXKIDqv2c



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v39Z8oFpbbE


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ClRqT2uoXTo...cuI_ZXOUvqXEFKA

the stuffing of an aircooled v8 into a light sports car..


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x3zW9uaiVNk

Discovery!

The manufacture of an aircooled V8 integral with transmission and final drive.
The Tatra 613 V8 and
The Tatra 700 V8.

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compact design places crankshaft above axle.

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85mm bore iron cylinders

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77mm stroke crank

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driveshaft,pinion and crown

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cam carriers,top and bottom

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hemi heads

it all seems familiar

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in fact the axle passes below the crankshaft middle main bearing journal perhaps as little as 25-30mm.


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With the sump pan removed,you can see the main bearing cap that carries the axle.
Note chain driven oilpump and filter mount,starter to the right.Aluminum bearing caps are cross-bolted,the block rails extended far below the crank CL,perhaps suitable to carry structural loads.
Mounting the block in front of 901 TX seems possible although the uneeded portions of the casting create a 5-7 kg weight penalty,easily removed.

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bare Y-block,differential cast integrally.Front(Rear) fan casting mounts on right,cam drive.

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the stash at the wreckers,found at this link:
Obviously unaware of the huge demand for these parts.

http://www.lhotkanet.cz/mirror/aek4470.finalnet.cz/
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A unique design modification,to allow the use of the engine in a mid configuration.
The original driveshaft is used to drive a cv joint where the differential formerly was.
A new casting is made to carry the diff,raised from the factory position,dropping the CG,and pan to ride height.
The engine is run with a crank and cam position trigger,for coil on twin plug ignition,no dizzy.
A conversion to chain drive for the cams,and vvt takes less room at the drive end of the block.
A hyvo chain to drive a shaft going forward to a front diff,can make for a awd car.


http://retrorides.proboards.com/thread/148...a-sport-v8-pics
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Since the axle is too far forward for a 914, you should... Weld the diff like a spool, mount the engine transversly, install a AWD drivetrain and make the first air cooled V8 AWD 914. The transmission diff will act as the transfer case.

The original intent of the designer was to package an entire powerplant and drivetrain into a light compact discrete component.A twin engine 4x4 for example would only require installing an engine package as there are no auxilary peripherals needed,being aircooled.An engine over the axle is a design suitable for front drive and or rear drive and is suitable for adaptation to other applications.Mounting the engine in place of a 914's 4 cylinder,you gain displacement and a few pounds that theoretically at least,is easily shed.I can find no faults in the design and a few unique solutions that simplify the manufacture and maintenance of it.The engine has no inherent problems with pulling studs out of the block or bearing failures,as it's a robust ribbed casting.

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here's an example with a turbo mounted,likely with stock components internally.

This is the Tatra-700-EFI:

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This is really cute,but somehow the taillights and bumper look too modern for the bug roofline.Perhaps a little Ghia,?

Stuffing an early '63 914 with a 2.5 to 4.4 Litre V8 of an aircooled design has to be OK.
Turns out there may be as few as 10 Tatra V8 engines in North America.
There may be a HotRodder in the EU who may wish to give it a go.
The 4-cam 613 could run with the heads swapped for a hot-V.
Convenient for turbocharging and intercooling plumbing.

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Outrigger TwinTurbo
928 S4
Anyone here recognize the trans-axle?(edit 05/03/15:956/962)

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Like this Outlaw POLO 356,the '63 914 has a rounded,curved house.
If the hips pinch in at the tail,and the roof-line blends into the vertical face below the trunk-line,a nice Ghia like curvature will result.Voluptuous.
Add a little sponson and the two lamp treatment.
Very 60's retro.

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Very nice Silver

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A 944 windscreen+roof+hatch+spoiler
Only for those with skills in metalshaping.

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+10in (254mm) Wider overall
+4 in (100mm) Wheelbase

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Intercoolers + Turbos mid mounted

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Liquid cooled?
Requires a rad in front.
A very sophisticated look also from the 924/944/968 product lines.
Well done.I even like the color.
Raised brand logo on rocker is a nice custom touch.

edit:Nov 15/14 found this>
http://members.rennlist.com/bluethunder/coverpag.htm

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Chrome Yellow bright pearl.Now with accent stripe in Lime.
WB stretch,18" ATS + Michelin RR sticky.A nice flat TurboSix to motivate.
Rusty 914 + Honda crx roof,hammered into a shape that looks '90s.
The Honda roof a tribute to the iconic 911 curve at a fraction of the cost.

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Another look for the CRX roofline transmogrification.
Honda did a nice rendition of the tapered b-glass.
Fits on a Fiero too,transforming the early windscreen slope to a more
modern look,911-ish.
I recall Chuck Beck(edit:Randy) did a 914 > GT1 custom roof that I
liked.Without all the accoutrements of wings n poorly shaped flares,running boards
and air dams it looks ok.Quite reserved but sporty enough to turn heads even with standard power.Really brings the 914 shape into the '90s.

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Half flat evergreen.

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Creme de Menthe

You are bouncing around a lot.
What was that v8 aircooled motor?
What years, what countries was it produced?

The Tatra aircooled V8 was built starting in the mid-30s. It was in several models, and went up into late 90s. There may have been diesel truck motors that went later than that.

Early: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tatra_77
Late: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tatra_700

--DD

It would be complicated to import the Tatra V8,whether the early SOHC, pushrod or the later quadcam.
There is some unrealized potential in these sturdy alloy engines,400hp has been bandied about as the number.
The block casting of the 613/700 has that unique integral differential housing,placing the crank 1-1.5 in above the axle.
A very nice design in every way,unappreciated in markets in which it never appeared.
The engine sitting atop the axle in a 914 would,I'm sure,ruin any handling features of the car.
Placing it mid however,you would have a light powerful aircooled V8 with the added bonus of an all Teutonic 914.
The small displacement and stroke makes possible the use of a flat crank and cams plus the heads can be turned for a hot vee exhaust layout.
After all,an aircooled V8 design would enhance the awesome factor of any 914 build.
The difficult part is having a few shipped to your garage at a reasonable cost or any price,just to begin work.
The sound of a 308 GT4 emanating from a 914 would be worth it all,the work being large in dimension.
Be the first on the pit row with a twin turbo version to catch the latemodel of your choice.

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Zingback to the start of the Tatra dialog.
http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?sho...22522&st=91
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10in(254mm)wider overall.
4in(100mm) longer wb.
3.1in(80mm) longer behind axle.
2in(50mm)raised w-wells.
17-18in Fuchs replicas in billet.
Wide low profile rubber.
Rocker deepened.
Integral rollbar and chassis structure.

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Exposed heat exchanger,corrugated outside panel.

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A 911 roofline melded to fit,looks very much factory.
Haven't found any reference to a design studio proposal similar to this.
Remarkable how the Cayman has retained such lines.
The 914's curves look nice ,even now.

I have absolutely 0 skills at photoshop, but maybe somebody would like to photoshop a 1973 Boxster for us? Take a 73 914, and graft the front end of a 73 911 targa onto it.

I want to build one in real life, and put a Boxster emblem on the back.

More like an impressionist painting in oil than anything else.
Incredible that it's stock below the beltline.
Looks very modern,telling how far ahead the design of the 914 was in '67.