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veekry9
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Anything familiar?I hope you like the LED indicator,Anyone like?
Turns out the Panamera has similar signals,fluke huh?
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A cleaner blue Targa 14 LeMan windscreen
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Less Aero glass
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veekry9
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Some Lip
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FullFront Was Orange (iamchappy Mn)
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veekry9
There was a guy....on Ferrari chat.

Yeah.
A few years ago Hemming's Exotic Cars did a cover story on the 308GT4 as an economical way to get some Stallions.
(edit:05/07/16)"A few years ago"19 actually. dry.gif
http://www.ebay.com/itm/November-1997-Euro...x8AAOxyVaBS1IHX
Bertone did a great job of integrating 4 seats and mid design transversely.The marketing department not so good.
Like the 914 the GT4 was shunned by the illuminati.Paul Frere did a R+T road test in Upper Michigan in '74 and loved the car.
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Now stuffing a 400i V12 longitudinally and a modern 6-7 spd tapshift would wake it up.
The objective being to maintain the brand of the prancing horse.Add the turbos and water+nitromethane injection ..How fast?220MPH+ fer sure.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uu8qo93N1wM

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How to re+re your F-V12.
Why I'll buy into the lottery..
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SZ9s3P34v9s

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UMjUxqOWNSs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uA8poGGmPIU

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SWwldtV9zBU

http://alemala.xoom.it/alemala/ad308/body/308_upgrade.html
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veekry9
Hmmm...
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Couldn't find the thd,What sitename?
Lower longer..starting to look like a Can-Am with a 914 house on top.
Hey,it does have a Can-Am engine.+Turbos!
The large vents under the trunk floor will allow the flow of the massive heat generated by the powerplant,feeding the low pressure area behind the car at speed.Turbulent air under the car is drawn out.
The width here is about as extreme as it should get.
Still possible to add GT flares of narrower dimension.
The reverse light is in factory position,the lens is merely wider by the widening amount.
Not the easy way this is.You would need a metal surgeon to hammer and dolly the added strips of sheetmetal.The shape of the trunkline rear of the targa defines the intersecting transverse curve.The beltline then is lower.Raising the trunkline would help a lot,giving a humpier,bulging curve to the rear top quarter,sorto like the latemodel Aston-Martins.
The focal length of the camera used foreshortens the image making it tricky to accurately sketch.

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Wider than the section cut.+2"

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Primordial DNA of the 914 Targa Bar.

veekry9
http://www.hollowsurfboards.com/documents/...Knistle1977.pdf

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So..to shape some foam you first must use adhesive to attach it to the fenders.
Then use the above methods the achieve the shape you desire.
Modern epoxies and clothes are more suitable for insulation type polystyrene.
If you are making your own mudgards(flares) it's possible to design,fabricate
a unique look for your 914.
At some point in the work-up to the LeMan '70 someone cut a washtub in half
at the factory and said "yeah,that'll work".
Don't get me wrong.I like the look,they were the solution of the day for the fat wheeled Porsches,the 911 too.
The colour is very close to my own selection.

A how-to:
http://neilblanchard.blogspot.ca/

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The Red-Transformer 914 is a notable design for it's outrageousness.
Personally I regard this red 914 as a 10,being so well integrated.

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Very Nice,"Modern"EV from Switzerland.
veekry9
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Hmmm...
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Couldn't find the thd,What sitename?A lost reference,who?
Lower longer..starting to look like a Can-Am with a 914 house on top.

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An incredible amount of labour and planning.A GT for LeMan,Daytona the Nurburgring.Gonna be quick.
veekry9
As an example of how design intent can go arwry..

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YellowHorror

Fat tires-check.
Flares-check
pseudo f40-check

As you observe various auto designs,are you able to perceive rust and dents from a distance of 100 yds?
Sure,so it is entirely possible to detect the shape of the fenders of a 911RSR.
Expedient measures to cover the tires range from this to the shapely splined flanks of the 914.
The necessity drive the invention.
HalfMoon
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Fer sail
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Wider to fit,with or without flares.
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early corsa
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late corsa 8
(what a '77 914/911/944 morph looks like)

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nice crank.corvair aero app
they are able to do -8's
to similar specs 2K?+


Lol!
Hey, that's my LE saved only days before the PO was going to have it crushed! It's stored in my garage until I can do a full on roto resto :-)
Cool what you did, but it'll be bone stock concourse when completed (years from now, lol)
veekry9
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Lol!
Hey, that's my LE saved only days before the PO was going to have it crushed! It's stored in my garage until I can do a full on roto resto :-)
Cool what you did, but it'll be bone stock concourse when completed (years from now, lol)


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Another Save!RestorationDesign has the sheetmetal replacements you desire.
A tall task on the horizon,requiring stamina and fortitude.Never give up,never surrender(Wittwickie).A polished gem at the end,close to perfection,reflecting.
bulitt
Here is your thread- http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showtopic=219539

bulitt
Here is your thread- http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showtopic=219539


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veekry9
Thanks bulitt.
OK,so,you need a Wider Fender...Note to self,drive-ability makes good parts.

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A raised trunkline,taller from the trunk floor.
Wider lens + taller too.Starting to look like 944/968/928 pieces,fitting really,that the parts would serve a similar purpose.

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Some resemblance to the family tree.
veekry9
Pushing G
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914 evolved 1978?
veekry9
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Merely widened fenders+doors.

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Does it still evoke the 914,spoilers n all?

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How bout now?3" stretch behind the targa curve.
Two tone anodized Fuchs 4-stud.A bronze/titanium,rim polished.
Polished alloy or chromed outer rocker.
LED aero turn indicator.(spoke?)
If you measure your door thickness add 3-4" for this result.
I can add the front fender vent and the engine oil cooler scoop as well as an intrusion barrier/cage bar with the extra width.Form follows funktion.

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2-3"Rise at the trunk line,to accomodate intercooler opening.

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Caramel pearl med metallic.

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Zagato

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Meringue

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Scarlet

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YoMaMa Blue

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Ice Silver
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veekry9
More Radical
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Fatter Tires/Wheels,Taller Rear quarters.
More room for the intercoolers,placed mid.
veekry9
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Where the idea began.As a kid,building the the scale model.
veekry9
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SilverQuarter-9


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The larger tail-lamps remove any semblance to 914 and move into the 924 family.
An exercise in fitting the rads/intercoolers amidships,without adding lumps.
17" and low profile tires fit the enlarged w-wells in a modern way.
A '66 Mustang is showing its influence,difference being the vents are functional.
This will be a long time coming,a ton of work.
veekry9
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into the realm of a full custom
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Some details to be determined..without the 3"stretch.Navy Targa Vinyl.
I recall one of the early "models in clay" sported headlamps of similar shape.
Mid mounted coolers do two things,eliminate long lines and retain a centralized cg.
Not really 914+944,or change for changes sake,more like what if?
In '67 a pencil and plasticine was used.
bulitt
Looks like the door gaps on my first tub... blink.gif
7TPorsh
Always thought this was interesting....
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into the realm of a full custom
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Some details to be determined..without the 3"stretch.Navy Targa Vinyl.
I recall one of the early "models in clay" sported headlamps of similar shape.
Mid mounted coolers do two things,eliminate long lines and retain a centralized cg.
Not really 914+944,or change for changes sake,more like what if?
In '67 a pencil and plasticine was used.


While you are designing , why not spring for some cool 911 headlight treatments , maybe some of the MB headlight setups to the turn signal locations ??? Do away with the flip ups , relocate the turn signals to another location ??? I've always wanted to install 911 headlights in that spot , just have to do some creative fab work , but with thesee fender widening on these pics it would be very doable , but however it's your project not mine , good luck to ya !!!

Jack
veekry9
Always thought this was interesting....

Very Neat,I haven't seen that treatment before now.
At the time,the 'new"designers were transitioning away from the "headlamp sponson"look that had prevailed for the previous 20 yrs.
Hence the truncated headlamp turnsignal of the 914.
We enjoy the look today,but in '69, it was like,so different.
The simplicity of the slab-sided spline curves provide a surface on which to sculpt some detail,to make room for coolers and larger rubber.
veekry9
While you are designing , why not spring for some cool 911 headlight treatments...

Yeah,the amount of time to make the changes to the shapes of the curves has been reduced electronically.To bang metal requires the traditional amount.
I've considered a number of headlamp designs,and really like the clearlense 914 HID look a member here has done.(edit:05/03/15 neo914-6)
As I go further,I am becoming more inclined toward a Boxster trioval shape.I agree the flip-ups now look more redundant.
A work in progress,although the raised trunk-line does it for me,transforming the 914's simple splinecurves into an aggressive look that appeals with the massive airscoops.
The GIMP software allows fast work in concept visualization.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GIMP
http://www.gimp.org/downloads/
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worn
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Why on earth would you bother with a push rod engine ?? confused24.gif


I believe that is a quote from Ferrari to Henry Ford. Before the race. av-943.gif
veekry9
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QUOTE(sixnotfour @ Oct 21 2013, 05:43 PM) *



Why on earth would you bother with a push rod engine ?? confused24.gif


I believe that is a quote from Ferrari to Henry Ford. Before the race. av-943.gif


Yeah,the pushrod has been touted as primitive,do they still make them?
Yup.
veekry9
Found today..
I've not seen this here.
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It even has side inlets,
the wheelarches look unique enough.
All that's missing is a proper targa bar.
2008 model showcar.
Does this appeal to any 914 owners?

a few more
https://www.google.ca/search?q=2008+vw+road...tml%3B500%3B225
veekry9
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Widebody.
Looks so right,the only one I've seen done like this.
from paul's thd Post #58160
veekry9
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every time I see this car the more I like it.
anyone on board?
Cuda911
A friend of mine bought this one, but it overheated and crapped out on the way home, so seller took it back.
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Sleepin
Add 3" to the center of the car, like this: welder.gif

veekry9
that way you have more space between the seats,for a cup holder.
the driver even looks like me.
veekry9
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Same car,right?-6
veekry9
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can't recall a link to these pix.
MoveQik
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Same car,right?-6

Its an AZ car. I see him at a local car show now and then. Currently, it is still a 1.7.

veekry9
There are so many details that appeal.
When shaving the siglamps,most don't retain them.
Rolling the rockerpan looks right.
I even like the colour.
MoveQik
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There are so many details that appeal.
When shaving the siglamps,most don't retain them.
rolling the rockerpan looks right.
I even like the colour.

Here are a few more pics from the last time I saw it at a show...

Gulf 914
veekry9
Thnks MovQuik
I guess it is the gulf colours that suit the front fender treatment.
The top chop is well done,the cage is closely fitted.
yup,does it for me,very nice rendition.
veekry9
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Flat 12 Subaru museum static display.
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Carlo Chitti
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http://www.iwoc.co.uk/subf1.html
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veekry9
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http://www.gt40s.com/forum/gt40-tech-engin...v12-clevor.html

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http://vid398.photobucket.com/albums/pp62/...zps4d163946.mp4
https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B3S4fQeJ60C...t?usp=drive_web
https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B3S4fQeJ60C...t?usp=drive_web
https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B3S4fQeJ60C...t?usp=drive_web

Get 2 engines,cut and rejoin to build a bigger better engine of your dreams.
What could you do with a 9L 90* Ford V-12?
What could you do with a 4-5L 32 valve flat-8?

Found a link to an old thd here:
http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?sho...amp;hl=beck+gt1
2006-2012 jump,a brief interlude.
so yeah,a lot of discussion of the same idea.
also found the address of Mr Lind of Sweden.
http://home.swipnet.se/motor/custom/
Not only can it be done ,it Should be done.
A 914-8.aircooled..must have.
Sleepin
If it wasn't such a boat anchor, the air cooled Tatra 8 would be cool

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veekry9
In Europe,the Tatra aircooled V8 has been used for many unique projects.

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Traditional 90*v8 layout

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A lightweight v8 bike

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However, Tatra came up with some very special concepts and innovations under the hood as well. Which technical details were most significant?
Ivan Margolius: The lightweight air-cooled rear engines V8 and flat 4, swiveling headlights, swing axles, forced fan-assisted cooling and flat undersides.
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Haven't looked into the aftermarket for these engines,if it exists.

http://www.tatraplan.co.uk/

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looks modern

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yup,modern
An auto company with a huge history.
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(edit:08/07/16):
http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showtopic=61581
Some time later,more info became available.

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SuperBug-2.5L V8 (Bore:75mm X Stroke:72mm)

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Incredibly,snuggled into the behind.
So yeah,with some careful measurement and mods,one could slip right in to your 914,smoothly.
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veekry9

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q-AKigRiGe8


So yeah,a lightweight aircooled v8.
veekry9

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hfqZ2XBOVnk

first on many innovations

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A_7ISJ57ZYU

sounds like a v8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WJdowd5zQfU

1937 sohc hemi v8 magnesium.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E0UkeJb8CCE

A latemodel,carbed
veekry9
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at speeed.

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A great idea,now,where is that flat -8,pushrod even.
To accommodate said long-block,a wb stretch would make a perfect fit.
Hank914
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In Europe,the Tatra aircooled V8 has been used for many unique projects.

Traditional 90*v8 layout

A lightweight v8 bike

Q: However, Tatra came up with some very special concepts and innovations under the hood as well. Which technical details were most significant?

Ivan Margolius: The lightweight air-cooled rear engines V8 and flat 4, swiveling headlights, swing axles, forced fan-assisted cooling and flat undersides.

Haven't looked into the aftermarket for these engines,if it exists.

http://www.tatraplan.co.uk/

looks modern

yup,modern

An auto company with a huge history.


Huge history! I remember seeing Dubcek and Svoboda cruising around Praha and Bratislava in 603! And then in the 70's them orders 613 model. Only the party big wigs got to be driven in those cars. Ahhh, great memories of the utopian socialism of CSSR and CCCP! And the pivo! Don't forget the pivo! beer3.gif beer3.gif
veekry9
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Come to think of it,those highpressure dies quite likely still exist.
The entire GM Corvair production diesets were scrapped in the 70's.
But things are done differently there,as the dies are of great value,even now.

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Do you see anything you like?An alloy aircooled v8 of aircraft design philosophy.
Lightweight,compact,easily manufactured,similar in design to the vw and corvair.
hemi design canted valve in pushrod and dohc configuration,sophisticated.

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this is the H-4,chain driven sohc,1937.

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pushrod -4
veekry9
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T603 engine designed by Julius Mackerle.
http://www.eurospares.com/graphics/engine/...searcheable.pdf (thanks jd74914 )

By raising the camshaft far above the crank in the valley,the rocker geometry for the exhaust valve is improved,perhaps making possible the use of common rockers throughout.
Note the hemi-like chamber and wide angle canted valves.Like the VW/Porsche and Corvair,the bore diameter is restricted by the cylinder head studs.
A considerable amount of weight savings would be realized by adopting LN cylinders.
I believe the crank is a conventional cross plane and at a small 72mm stroke,there may be plenty of room for a much larger stroker.

http://www.velocetoday.com/a-technical-history-of-tatra/

The discrete lifter-blocks allow replacement roller-lifter and barrels to be installed for low friction,high rpm operation.
veekry9
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V-12 aircooled diesel,3-cam.
The same designer,Doctor Prof. Julius Mackerle.
Roller bearing bottom end.

V-10 version
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4S1Ft4ots7g

(edit:2/23/16)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MCwHl885-m4

Anyone onboard able to translate his spoken words?
Looks like an interesting project,a diesel conversion.
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Tatra 613 unfinished project - Diesel. Unique project of rebuilding the engine T613 (aggregate) on diesel variant. At the end of the 70th century originated minuléto years so far unique project for rebuilding the engine on the T613 diesel engine with direct fuel injection into the cylinder. As a base engine was used T613 (model E) production year 1977, which had traveled 20 thousand. km. The creation of new pistons with a semicircular shape of the bottom of the piston has been redesigned combustion chamber cylinder heads were modified cabinets cam engine was devised to drive fuel injectors, all this was preceded by a complex formulation of models later casts, followed by manufacture themselves cast as pistons and various components, from which the formed parts for driving the injection pumps, produced with a special injector, it was necessary to devise and make special threaded shaft for installation into enclosures injectors cams and cylinder heads. further information only serious and technically savvy candidates. This project is a testament to immense creativity and skill of the Moravian-wise and because the owner of this concept does not want to make this engine ended up in scrap, looking for this very technical and design an efficient, technologically savvy real enthusiasts Tatrovaks heart for engines Tatra, which this project dotáhnul to successful end. The owner of both the engine and the entire project, originator of the idea itself is ready to provide serious, but it really only serious candidates all technical and knowledge support to complete this project successfully. The owner, however, asks dealers and speculators, who, on this project, they just want to earn without it without touching anything, so this video in any way responded.

P.S. The video is mistakenly stated that the year of manufacture of the engine is 1997 correctly's 1,977th
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