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The wing is the thing.
A much larger derriere,the proportions remain similar to original measure.

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A forlorn 924/944 resurrected as a mid,a difficult transition.
Looks neat tho.

Checking the ads for a cheep 944,engineless.

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Outside of the box,a real Porsche.Turbo'd n Chilled It is however,still front engine!
http://rennlist.com/forums/924-931-944-951...oled-boxer.html
http://gatebil.no/gallery_photo/
http://www.performanceforums.com/forums/sh...nt-to-do/page10

The engine lid is at the wrong angle. It also looks rather smaller in scale than the rest of the car.

Unless it's sporting a super-narrow engine tilted up oddly?

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Ya,I put it there to be visible at the viewpoint of the drawing,so the fan was visible,the injector covers are merely decorative.
While I was working on an 8,a 12 came up.An x configuration,solves a couple of problems and creates others.Seems workable tho.
(720/6)/2=60*.An unusual layout made more viable by the 15* VR6.(Quote:You can't do ....).
No overnight sensation,this is a long term project with plenty of challenges.Like how do you incorporate a vvt layout with only 4 cams?
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New metallurgy allows significant weight loss,thermal conductivity improved.

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A set of cylinders of minimum mass.

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Pretty Pix of the computer model of the X12.

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Used sbc dimensions for the rods,etc.This is a huge displacement,4.25 bore x 3 stroke.
4.06" Bore X 2.5" Stroke=427"/7L
What it will sound like..
http://audacityteam.org/download/
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A nice tone for a phone or alarm,wake to the sounds of a 935-12.
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80's build......

Sure,this is at the root of the Martian9 body.
One of the drawbacks is the aero drag,can't install the heavy door bars and have windows that move.
Certainly a much simpler approach,one that has worked well in the past and looks acceptable now.
My endeavor is the smooth-sided with the massive scoops and intercoolers,maintaining the cg of a mid.
The effect of the weight of the rads up front can be tested by simply filling a pail of water and swinging it about at 140mph.
The other purpose of the large (TR)side scoops is to fill the rear of the targa,reducing induced drag,with the fan.
The major surgery and workload doesn't put me off at all,as some of my work related jobs took 8+ months to complete(turbines).
The doorskins are fair game for my plans,and may be subject to a material change,to make more light.Patient,critical design.
The only criticism I have is the spoiler,which,of course,is not effective at all,reminiscent of ricer additions to compact sedans.
A more radical change to the concept of adding great power,calls for a serious rollcage and the addition of lightweight components.
A watercooled engine requires I include radiators,intercoolers,hoses,pumps and fans.By confining the added mass to the central
regions of the wheelbase,the cg can be maintained,instead of the 'dumbell' additions at each end,with their larger moments of inertia.
https://www.google.ca/search?q=moment+of+in...2rbQgLfgnaAM%3A

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Siamesed Int ports,helical

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Chambers,Seat bores

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Out through the int holes

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Port tubes outer skins

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Add some reflections

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Appears to be a pair of 60* V6's sharing a common 6 pin crank.
More accurately, a pair of sixes 60* apart,meeting an even fire order.

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Right side view,a simple shoebox head,4valve.

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Angular view,with case ribs and studs,head studs,Mbearing webs

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Some top views,showing the offsets of each bank,shorter than the v or flat arrangments.
The short stroke and large Mbearing dia allows an ample pin overlap.

At first I didn't know what to think of that body mod, but the more I saw of it over at Genes the more I liked it and if the money was here at the time it might have been mine! We researched the kit and never really found out whether it's a one-off or a kit you can still buy but with a little work it will look sharp! The lines are definitely there and it even suggests lines of the Carrera GT to a degree- have you done any research on it to find out where the parts came from?

its a one off CA. 80's build.. running driving,,,914-6

Some reading from the references therein.


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http://www.rotaryeng.net/Voyager-Eng.pdf
t4201.pdf
velaccdiag.pdf
LTU-EX-06099-SE.pdf
Mahindra 2 Wheelers - Piston Skirt profile Optimization to eliminate Scuffing and Seizure in a Water and Air Cooled gasoline engine using PISDYN_ForSharing.pdf
117_IJHE_January 2015.pdf
Malpress_afmc_16_07.pdf
538-115.pdf
43662.pdf
20154060.pdf
aerosim_ug.pdf
AirCoolerdHotAir.pdf
A-Theoretical-Model-For-Selection-Of-V-angle-And-Determination-Of-Firing-Order-For-Balancing-Of-V6-engine.pdf
DEA.pdf
definition-F02F.pdf
e3-11-01-03.pdf
energies-08-05866.pdf
Engines.pdf
Garrett_White_Paper_01_Water_Cooling.pdf
httpwww_bg_utp_edu_plartjok32007jo20kones20200720no20320vol201420mitianiec.pdf
IJHE 2013_Kewal.pdf
lecture-7.pdf
LiquidPiston-XMini-Specifications.pdf
l-ring_effect.pdf
ogst08082.pdf
Princeton-CEFRC2.pdf
qip-ice-25-cooling systems.pdf
SAE010903.pdf
Szilard_Engine.pdf
YRJ-1992-IIII.pdf



http://gibtecpistons.com/?page_id=81

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Worthwhile reading,even now,almost a decade later,just to be on the same page.
http://www.eurospares.com/graphics/engine/...searcheable.pdf
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Exhaust Ports,with a large bridge to facilitate cooling.

Early Subarfaroo ran Borgward flat 4s

Van engine?
The Pentastar.

http://blog.caranddriver.com/chrysler-reve...-pentastar-v-6/

Available at your local wreckers.

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http://www.compositesworld.com/articles/hi...er-expectations
https://www.google.ca/search?q=glass+filled...gA&dpr=1.75

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Mostly stock components.VVT.
An exercise in ic design,you know,like roll your own.
An aircooled 12 cylinder to fit inside the 914 envelope,a proposal that the 917 engine cannot meet.
Note the raised cam towers ala Julius Mackerle's Tatra.A vvt setup not available to the designers in '58-69.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Julius_Mackerle
Lightening up on the reciprocating parts and some elements from this decade makes for a viable -12.
A liquid cooled set of heads makes a 4valve arrangement possible,reducing mass of the valves for a given area.
A convenient feature is the proximity of the exhaust ports for a turboed variant,upping the ante for ultimate power levels of a Nurburgring endurance trackster.
The above pix is a simple Corvair version limited by all of the original factors of that design.

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This is a 290 Cummins roller cam follower,cast.

ref:http://www.flycorvair.com/delabruere.html

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Making it all fit,in a nice 904 house,the LeMans windscreen a great fit on the 914.
The windscreen is indeed a 904,and therefore a little pricy,making this six conversion no cheap thrill.
Very light,strong,powerful,quick and fast,all the wishes granted for this 914.
A revised double wishbone front suspension,the rear getting a pair too,(mebee a fabbed upright in light wrought alloy).
The latemodel bumpers have been radically modded to meld with the lengthened nose and tail's bottom,a major change.
A normal door,widened,with windup intact,the frame in cfrp,the glass waterjetted to fit.
Inside,the standard interior will do,the seats customised to shave 60mm off the bottom,the same as the roof's chop.
This is the factory wheelbase,the track widened to carry the larger modern rubber,I chose the ATS 5-Phons of the 928.
The nose and frunklid have been heavily modded to meet the windscreen's valance in a smooth radius,following the cowl.
The nose of the lid is radiused to match the new bumper's recurve.
A good deal of work,not for the faint of heart,a modern suspension with the factory parts reworked.
Two months later,I did some drawing,mapping out the front suspension,setting up the rear for a big change.
I haven't added the massive sidescoop,yet,letting the shape grow on me a little while.
Like,not looking at it,then,looking at it,to see if I still like it.
I do!

Not too shabby....currently one on eBay, less than 10K miles for only $1600 or best offer...Would look great with some ITBs on it.

You play with Fusion360 yet?

I've used many/most software,cad and or cam packages over the last four and a half decades.
Currently in love with Rhino,because of the versatile plug-ins available.
https://www.rhino3d.com/sales/north-america/
Every once in a while I'll look and test drive something new or upgraded older packages.
Some are downright funky and counter intuitive,requiring huge training budgets to use with any efficiency.
I think I posted about some of those crash programs the post processors puked out,costing large.

Somewhere someone posted about Honda van engines and I thought the numbers of Chrysler
and now Fiat/Chrysler V6's were worth a gander.
Walking in the yard with a tape and a camera,taking pix of the new ones with the varicams.
The single exhaust ports most suitable for the turbo application,heh,heh.
And like the price is right,dirt cheep for the bangs you could have.

While you're there,pick up a transaxle for it.
Many flavours.
https://www.google.ca/webhp?sourceid=chrome...%20transmission
http://www.getrag.com/en/home/index.html
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Getrag

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150mm longer wheelbase,2600.
To accommodate the longer engine transaxle package.
The intercoolers are sidemounts,between the axles,mid.
Temperature gradient coating paint.

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The 2016 Cayman is visible,wheelbase of 2474.
The front axles line up,the scale +/- 1.5mm,(1/16").
The rear valance of the Cayman is visible.
This pix is a 2D view,lining up the images in the same Z plane,appearing to have depth of field.
The venturi ceiling is at the height of the bumper top,roughly,the channels run alongside the tub,widened.
The front splitter is an option for the track,the main channel ports running inside the wheelwells.
The large scoops feed the intercoolers and lowpressure volume behind the targa,getting a good signal.
Turbulators trip the belly flow in the channels to enhance rotational velocity and pressure drop.
Looking through the car in ZD the original 914 chassis still there,massaged to meet the build sheet.
A stack of detail drawings inches thick,like for the steelmill rolling lines of twenty years ago.
Our departed pres called it "Imagineering", we then machined those ideas,enjoying the work.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imagineering
More to come.

http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?sho...2522&st=216

Standard wheelbase.

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Had to do a Bahia L30E and blackout rocker.
The front and rear bumpers get the same treatment,a little differently,a kind of two tone muzzle look.Blackout on the inside.
The rear trunkline has been raised,to meet the 904's tapered targa,the result more trunk space,and or more under trunk room for the 'diffusers'.
Considerations not made in the 60's when the 914 idea germinated from the 904's success.
An inexpensive runabout,a modern take on a convertible,the grp roof panel stowed in the trunk,so mod.
Horseshoeing a large powerful engine into it,a reasonable quest,makes for different reinforcement requirements.
The compromise in 2016 can be the materials used,the preferred being the lightest and strongest,placed around the mandated chromolly cage.
The monocoque structures at both ends fasten to the cage,the loads transferred through multiple hardpoints.
The door intrusion structure is a loadbearing part of the cage,hydraulically secured from movement,the fitment close.
Something a little different.Ah,ATS-5-18 in billet,8"+10".

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I love this! Needs Fuchs!

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Reskinned Fiero,VVT Northstar,AWD,
more..
Actually,Cad Cien Concept.
I so like.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MNQBDqUkb6o
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bugatti_EB110
Still,28 yrs later a great car to aspire to.
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http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?sho...2522&st=140
A FeO inflicted 914,dragged from a field,no engine,TX or interior.Sound familiar?
Why,section and splice-in an intact Fiero chassis center,becoming a composite of two unloved midengine vehicles,loved.
What you get is a complex of steel stampings proven to withstand an 80mph lateral rollover test,a premade 'tub'.
Further reinforcment with chromolly tubular members to carry the 914 chassis attaches makes for a very stiff unibody,corner to corner.
The stretched 914 doors attach in the normal way,hinges placed to meet the Fiero bulkhead,the side window rails modded to carrry the new glass.
Now,a smoothly integrated CRX roofline from the choppers saves a ton of work to the streamlined 911 like profile.
Paint it a color not on the 914 list to suit the narpanista origins,in spite of the Porsche engine of least cost,the 924's,in turbo form.


http://www.fiero.nl/forum/Forum3/HTML/000091-57.html
Man,that is some beautiful craftmanship and vision,a re-imagined custom car int.


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More mods,a slight change in the beltline to meet the rear's hump.
The same 914 WB,the power of choice is the TT 3.6,or perhaps the Subaru H6.
I still like the idea of a latemodel's front TX installed for a poorman's 959 drivetrain.
Some real outside the lines work to bring it to fruition,a diff mated to the rear(front) of a block,
driven by a gearbox ahead of the engine,mimicing the Lamborghini Countach of '69.
The whatif of the 14's targa replacement with a custom piece built around a 904's windscreen.
I superimposed the late Cayman and observed the possibility of the use of the wider,later glass.
A waterjetted example would fit right in and enhance the look of a custom 914,a huge fan installed at an angle.
I'll workup a Cayman or Boxster glass install to see how it would look,the widths matching the widened 14's chassis.
The 904's wraparound does look so right in it's place on the custom roofline,Unobtanium's and Jake's flat 12 endeavors 'stimulating'.

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Looks ok,a color not often seen on 914s,a medium green light metallic,a kind of Zagato tint.
A small change in some curves,the composite roofline modified from the 904's windscreen rearward,the rollup door glass more 914.
Of the variations to the targa curve since the beginning,all attempting to mask the unusual design,none looked like this.
A retro roof for the 914,lower,narrower,slightly smoother in the air.With an 800$ Caddy V6 and a nice 6spd,goes like,a very quick and fast 914.
Some work on the suspension and braking must be done to handle the more than quadrupled power,
lateral links to control the trailing arms that are prone to getting all twisted around.
The Mahle look alikes in a larger diameter to carry the wide low profile modern rubber,the power demanding more grip.
A huge job applied to a derelict 914 near you,the condition irrelevant,the changes and hammering so large in scope.

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Less radical than the two above,a slight widening of the flanks.The work required to modify the original doors is apparent.
It has a lift up rear section that mimics the 904's,though a separate trunk panel is built in.The shape is reminiscent of the 904's,the windscreen the only common part.
The slope of the frunklid is extended several inches,the latemodel's 'crunchbox' replicated in lightweight grp/abs/vinyl,and carries twin LED lamps.
Some metalwork is done to remove the doggles that receive the new bumper,twin cooler scoops integrated that are similar to the chromed potmetal/plastic of the early's.
All of the work of other's prior '914+904' versions,suffered from the lack of the original windscreen,a significant feature,and great looking on the 914's later mod shape.
Note the length of the roofline behind the sideglass,and how the green gasburner above is much longer,a more attractive iteration.
The cab-forward position of the glass is what makes the slope of the trailing roofline meet the trunk's top in a pleasing way.
Smoother through the air,less turbulence induced and a giant fan,pulling a low pressure beneath the car,an upflow,like the Hall CanAms.
With a wing above and behind the roof,spats and a scraper up front,a 20mph advantage for the hp available.
Stable at speed,the air controlled,the pressures managed to push the shape down,trying to be slick.

Inspired by the Unobtanium 914+904,an evolution of a shape,with a purpose.
With the wheelbase stretch,a longer engine/tx package can be installed without holing the firewall,a matter of 100-150mm.
A flat six would of course need little,if any extra space,a V8 of course could use the room,depending on the dimensions of the engine used.
The huge pillow of air trying to get under the nose is given a low drag place to go,into the tunnel located outside the inner door panel.
Separated from the flow under the belly,and given a good signal at the rear low pressure area.
The cross sectional area from the front to rear is a growing dimension,allowing great flow of cooling and aerodynamic smoothing air.
The room afforded,allows a robust cage,intrusion panels and rollup windows,very convenient.Tubular.
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Here are your Five-Fuchs.
You spelled your name wrong!

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He wanted more luggage room,undoubtedly,and has achieved space for the new purpose.
Heck,he may be using the car for something never imagined,horticulture.
Give him a call and ask if it is for sale,to do a restore.
California,huh?

https://www.google.ca/search?q=weed+states+...igB&dpr=1.5
Oreo-gone.


Maybe they are discussing the great dent he's pointing to.
With a spare trunklid,the convertible dumpster trunk is quickly replaced with a smoothy.
Weird things happen in Ca,the crack of the earth at cause,perhaps.

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Tow truck driver has two heads

Nah,two-faced.
Not an unusual affliction in the trade.Once they get their hooks into you..

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Id keep the side pillars more stock looking to retain the 914 identity. I don't think they need to swept back.

It was on fire...dry chem

Thanks,great idea.Hadn't occurred to me,I'll do a version,to try it on for size.
The trailing roofline was an attempt to separate the flows,the inertia of the air creating large turbulent vortices.
The LeMans windscreen and those 'walls' made for a smoother passage,needing less hp to push through.
Heck,a vertical separator with a spline curve would work the same as the LMPs.
A bit flash though,I wished to keep it soap bar smooth,60s like.
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A compromise,retaining the high rear deck line.More headroom,and a visually low roof proportion.
It's chopped,50mm or so.Up top,the comparison to the '16 Cayman is clear.Down low and fast.

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Is it just the picture or are those French rear lenses?

German.

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https://www.google.ca/search?q=plastic+lens...t_lgXxgU_IgM%3A
http://www.prototypetoday.com/tag/injection-molding
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Congrats you are almost to 1964 Ferrari 250 LM by Scaglietti...

Well,I did purchase a 1:18 diecast model of the 250LM as a gift,some half dozen yrs ago.
But no,the intent was to trial fit the 914 with the sloped LeMans windsceen,as it has a more rounded profile.
*The 250 LM glass by the way,is only available to the owners of the original cars,factory,I believe.And pricey.*
(edit:07/23/16)Totally wrong on that,it is then,possible to meld a 250's windscreen onto a 914's chassis.
Gee,thanks,[sixnotfour],I would never have considered the proposal.*A wider,taller windshield,allowing more shoulder room.*
(edit:07/27/16):Well,after some measurements,it is the 904's windscreen that is taller,the 250's is wider and more sloped.
http://www.pilkington.com/en-gb/uk/automot...-models/ferrari

But,the Lancia Stratos windscreen is a piece that is not too dear.
Way rad.



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718-8 2L Nurburgring '63

It is apparent what they were trying to achieve,aero like.
Smooth.
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"First shown at Geneva in 1965, the 250 LM ‘Stradale’ then left for the USA where it remained until now. It is equipped with electric windows and leather seats."
http://www.velocetoday.com/villa-deste-2013/

Man,I adore the perspex rear window,with the formed vents,a detail later done,also by Pininfarina,with the 288 GTO.
A Cool 17M+.

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A happy ending.
http://www.carbuildindex.com/29459/engine-...ed-for-auction/
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A raised roofline,for the taller driver,with helmet.
The seats,dropped 40mm,closer to the floor pan,the firewall sloped,the footbox lengthened.
Note that the wheelwells have been raised,the front to the same height as the frunklid.
http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?sho...22522&st=50
That glass would be a custom formed piece,fitting the factory upper frame,the lower seat modified for a similar radius as the 904's.
A form(mold) would have to be made for the short run,tempered,laminated safety glass.
Not cheep tho.

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Always loved the 250LM, viewed it as a Ferrari 914 (granted it was pre 914)
Believe it or not there was a time not-so-long ago when they weren't insanely priced...kind of like the 904 etc. Forget about it now.

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Well,a jackpot winner,with 300M after taxes might consider such a bauble.

A trip to the moon,or Mars...

So,a derelict 914 chassis,some sweat equity and various Porsche organs,shake until competitive.
Driving about to make rescues of the numbers,as Unobtanium does with the 356.
A large 'Field of Dreams'steadily decaying as we watch.
Once kissed by the 914 pixie,hard to avert one's affection,and coinage.

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So if you enough and look just right ...you might see some resemblance or not actually mines the 13yr newer model