last for today, butt shot after adjusting the ride height ...

5" in the front, from bottom edge of floor pan
5 1/2" in the rear, from bottom edge of floor pan


trekkor took a quick ride around the block with me, the 250lbs springs feel great!
better actually than my old 180lbs.

i'm happy!

Andy

QUOTE (Howard @ Jan 22 2006, 08:44 PM)

Hey Trek, if Andy gets a car that's fast enough, he may be able to keep up with you

no way! trek is a monster!

Cool!

some more babysteps today ...

mark and i scratched our heads long and hard (mine was easier cuz i don't have nearly as much hair as he does) and we came up with a concept for the front mounted oil cooler and the "out the hood" venting of the hot air ...

first, i'd like to mention again that i "hate", yes hate, the idea of dumping any significant amount of additional air under the car.

i don't care if that's how the factory did it. their solution was quick & dirty as they were planning on racing the GTs in '70. they obviously did what got them results quick and without too much work.

additional air under the car *will* create additional lift, especially at higher speeds.

soooooo, i'm opting for a "out the top" solution.

but i also hate those big ass holes in the hood, so i'm going for a more stealth approach.
louvers!

here's a vinyl mockup of where the louvers will be, once painted in body color, they'll be hardly noticeable, but *very* effective!

one more ...

we also made a cardboard mockup of the oil-cooler and used a small metal rod to mock up the curvature of the air-channel (see green arrows) ...

it'll be a nice and smooth curvature and should give me a good airflow ...

hopefully, by next weekend, i'll have the cooler and the aluminium panels for the channel/shroud ...

cutting the hood will be fun!

i have similat bilsein coilover issues. looks like you sorted it out prtty well.


rock!

I just remembered I promised to measure that front x-member
It's 81,5 cm

Been thinking about louvres too...
I like this look:

Sure would looks nicer than a big-ass-gaping-hole

here's a link to a HUGE jpg (1:1 scale) of the shroud/channel outline ...

i'm going to clean this up, run it through adobe streamline and make it a vector graphic EPS.
then, i'll have the shroud lasercut out of aluminum sheet metal ...

WARNING, HUGE IMAGE (5689 x 7564 pixel, 300 dpi) ...
http://www.914world.com/pix/mycar/Oil%20Coo...ine%20small.jpg

Andy

Have a real hot rod guy do your louvres, they know how to do them right.

QUOTE (seanery @ Jan 28 2006, 10:42 PM)

Have a real hot rod guy do your louvres, they know how to do them right.

i've already decided on a "how to" ...

i'm going with the "3-cut, bend twice" design ...
Andy

Andy,

CONGRATS!

more "babysteps" ...

got off to a slow start, didn't get to marks until noon-ish.

so i decided to just cut out the new front support brackets. mine are shot (dumb PO ) and i got two replacements from John at EASY.
of course he didn't drill out the spotwelds, he just cut the frontend around the pieces i needed,
so i had to drill out all the spotwelds to separate the bracket from the junk ...


here's a before picture (yellow! ):

took like 2 hours to get the two sides separated ...

well, with some BS and coffee breaks included ...

mark convinced me those would be much nicer all cleaned up, so we started up the bead-blaster box ...

turned out really nice, except, it takes FOREVER ...

and then some primer, so they don't turn into a heap of rust by next weekend.
by the time the blasting was done, it was 6pm. time to call it a day.

i didn't get any of the other parts that i had planned on working with today, so this is going to be a short weekend.

hopefully more progress next week. including welding those babies in place ...

time for some

Andy

tell us about your hood louvers.

QUOTE (Aaron Cox @ Feb 4 2006, 09:09 PM)

tell us about your hood louvers.

no progress on those today. but it's all planned out ...

patience grasshopper, patience ....
Andy

curious in your method...

cut 3x, fold 2x.....


seems like the cut once and louver punch is easier


cant wait to see it...

QUOTE (Aaron Cox @ Feb 4 2006, 09:13 PM)

cut 3x, fold 2x.....

quick and dirty photoshop mockup ...

3 cuts, one long horizontal, two short ones on the side (about 2" total) ...
then, bend front part upwards and bend rear part downwards ...

that way, each cut (louver) has a lip that will create suckage (neg. pressure) ...

this should help with the airflow ...
Andy

I almost popped by...


KT

QUOTE (trekkor @ Feb 4 2006, 09:31 PM)

I almost popped by...

we did enough slacking, even without you ...

Andy

I like the louver idea, but your air funnel looks big enough for a radiator on a V8 car. If you tilt the oil cooler forward a bit then you could have the funnel match the hood line much more closely and recoup more front trunk space. Just a thought, maybe it's just how it looks in the picture, I wasn't there, blah blah blah

Mark, congrats on getting Andy to clean his parts

ok, here's a small JPG of the oil-cooler shroud lineart ...

the original is a Adobe Illustrator EPS in 1:1 size that Mark will use on his plotter to cut a template.

this should be fun ...
Andy

have you thought about making the top / exit wider than the intake?

maybe your doing that in another dimension (Z)

wider louvers 3d..... or deeper in ths 2d plane

Andy,
I may be able to cut your shroud for you if you can supply material. Send me the file when you are ready.

QUOTE (Aaron Cox @ Feb 7 2006, 04:07 PM)

have you thought about making the top / exit wider than the intake?

CFM flow for the hood louvres looks to be much higher than the CFM flow for the cooler. Simply based on surface area the cooler is 21" x 6" (126 sq. in.). Andy's using 3" openings so two 21" openings will equal the surface area of the cooler, and Andy's using three openings. So it's already bigger. PLUS, (yes there's a bonus) the oil cooler obviously isn't going to flow nearly as well as an opening of equal area. BUT the air will expand as it's heated. All in all, I think these three louvres will give more than adequate air flow.

QUOTE (ppickerell @ Feb 7 2006, 04:16 PM)

I may be able to cut your shroud for you if you can supply material. Send me the file when you are ready.

thank you sir, that would be very cool indeed ...

Andy

Has anyone thought about taking the air out via the front wheel wells? Rather than cutting out so much of the wheel wells like is done on most V8 conversions, what about cutting out just enough material out of both sides down low, in line with the cooler, and then build a shroud on the back side of the cooler to "split" the air to either wheel well? This way, you would only lose the bottom 4-5" of the front trunk (and not all of that). You wouldn't be putting any more air under the car, just out the front wheel wells.

Anybody tried this?

QUOTE (db9146 @ Feb 7 2006, 06:50 PM)

You wouldn't be putting any more air under the car, just out the front wheel wells.

you would still create a substantial amount of lift and/or drag, i think ...

btw. i'm not losing all of the front trunk. about 2/3 of the shroud will be attached to the hood and there will be plenty of space (8 sixpacks of beer!) left ...
Andy

I absolutely agree about dumping air under car, when it isn´t necessary.
I have installed hood louvers on mine. I simply let the air enter into front trunk area, the rear part with tank seals. Since the louvers are in a low pressure area, the air is practically sucked out. I have small deflector at the front edge. I have a 2.8 that is run pretty hard at DE days, always 180-190 drgrees.
Seems like the obvious, best approach to me.

more babysteps but no pictures today ...


got the front swaybar fixed. cut off the old mounting tabs and welded in the new ones.
added the new (shorter) droplinks and verfied that my chassis is bend.

now i will *need* to put it on a celette bench for sure ...

i also added the 100mm wheel studs to the front and added 2 3/4" spacers on each side. fills out the wheelwell nicely now, can barely squeeze a finger between the tire and the flare.


slow, but progress. plus, after some brainstorming (and pizza! ) McMark is contemplating to get himself a complete alignment setup in his shop. corner balancing and precision alignment ... can't wait ...



tired and thirsty Andy

Andy what are you doing to the gear box? is it a 901? are you changeing the ratios?

QUOTE (pete-stevers @ Feb 18 2006, 10:19 PM)

Andy what are you doing to the gear box? is it a 901? are you changeing the ratios?

well, i've got a "loaner" 901 that seems to have non stock gearing (dunno what's in there) as well as a spare stock 901.

so, for now, i'm going to blow up 901's ...
Andy

Nice progress
Looks like you are putting all that knowledge to good use..
and Andy I am sure you had some good ideas too

I can't wait to see it done and getting done.

here's why my project has been kind of on hold for the last few weeks ...


pondering a few options ...

http://www.sirandy.com/projects/cars/tub.asp

Andy

That sucks Andy

Andy, I gotta ask. When did you find out that your car had been in an accident? I ask because I would hate for me or anyone else to suffer the same fate. Did you know about any of this when you bought the car?

QUOTE (Leo Imperial @ Apr 9 2006, 04:07 PM)

Andy, I gotta ask. When did you find out that your car had been in an accident? I ask because I would hate for me or anyone else to suffer the same fate. Did you know about any of this when you bought the car?

no, not when i bought it. but i have known about this for quite some time. i knew the car was hit when i started doing the restauration. the signs were obvious then.

just didn't think it was all that bad until we decided to take the tape-measure to it ...

the front axle is off by almost 1 1/2" left/right ...
Andy

Does the car track funny?
i was following you while you were driving and nothing looked crazy.

Does it pull side to side or vibrate?

I say finish the conversion.


KT

QUOTE (SirAndy @ Apr 9 2006, 04:06 PM)

pondering a few options ...

That's worse than I thought Andy.

man... that definatly sucks!
what ya gonna do about it?

Congrates, Andy. A very nice,, worthwhile project. It makes me jealous!!! I have one question: can a 996 engine be used in the conversion and do the inner suspension tabs have to be changed, moved, etc.; or, a complete new suspension needed.

I am finding it hard to locate a good used 3.0 or 3.6 engine for my conversion. I am considering looking at the 3.6 engine series.

Thanks,
Steve Hurt
shoguneagle@yahoo.com

steve, my engine is from a '95 993, dunno about a 996 engine ...


this upcoming weeked will be spent un-bending and de-twisting the car on a celette bench!

that'll be a major step towards getting the car ready for the big motor ...
Andy

now that the car is straight again, it was time to get back to the motor conversion task ...


read more about the un-twisting of the tub on the celette bench here:

http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?show...50809&st=40

http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?show...&hl=celette

http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?show...&hl=celette



Andy

cutting holes for the oil lines for the front mounted cooler ...

yes, that's SAND from the blasting 3 years ago that you see in the pics ...
Andy