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Rand
Is it just me who feels like our 914 forum is getting overloaded with a bunch of stuff we don't want lately? I don't care about the junk that belongs in a Fiero forum et al. So much so I suspect this is why that other thread got locked because of it. Slow down man and focus.
Mike Bellis
QUOTE(Rand @ Jan 12 2015, 09:31 PM) *

Is it just me who feels like our 914 forum is getting overloaded with a bunch of stuff we don't want lately? I don't care about the junk that belongs in a Fiero forum et al.

Veekry9 is a borderline spammer but he does come up with cool stuff sometimes... smile.gif
veekry9
QUOTE(got914? @ Dec 28 2014, 09:50 PM) *

Hey everyone, just considering the above.

An LS1 is 350 hp and with the factory injection will both start and run like a dream.

A real done up type 4 will sound much nicer but obviolsuy about a bit more than half the power.


Where can you shove an LS1?The cost the criteria.
A poo caller has interjected a poo poo,a Narpinista.You have your opinion,tho useless.Focus on that.
A 30K 914 is not this.Bang for buck an American V8 is hard to beat in North America,the recyclers have plenty for cheap.
A contention we all have to do it the same is a fallacy,hot air.An aluminum V8 manufactured since the time of 356 is still a viable candidate in 2015.A Northstar coated bore V8 is also a good fit as you can see clearly on the Fiero site.Plenty of Americans have created their own mids with good performance and economy.To answer the question of what to do with his 914,"Anything he wants".

http://www.ebay.com/itm/99-00-01-Range-Rov...50161&rt=nc
This is a bargain.
veekry9
QUOTE(Spoke @ Jan 11 2015, 10:18 AM) *

I'm in the market for an engine more powerful than the 1.8L T4 now in my car.

Details about my 914: its a rust bucket from the rust belt; mostly repaired. Twisted frame from rear-end collision; reconstructed title; probably not worth that much. 911 3-in front suspension; redrilled 5-lug rear hubs with vented rotors; 6x16 front Fuchs; 7x16 rear Fuchs. Runs well and starts every time.

So the car isn't worth that much and I want more power. What is the most cost effective engine swap? I'm not looking for a killer engine, just something with 100-150 HP or so that won't break the bank.

I have a 2L core that I was intending to rebuild but not sure if the rebuild cost will eclipse the car's value so I'm thinking of other engine possibilities.


A fine selection of cheap used blocks and TX are available for your perusal here online,a great advantage over the netless past.
Would 220 hp be ok at the same cost of 150?A four,six or eight,what is the desired smoothness and at what economy?
Shall you be force feeding the holes or just sucking it in?What is your budget for this re-engineering of a rusted relic?
Pertinent queries to be resolved only by you,I have no doubt the lighting will be modern.If the Targa is worth 4k and a 2k budget for the engine,a 16V-4 makes sense for economy and reliability,a cornucopia of choice awaits you.
Perhaps a Chevy.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Chevrolet-Pontiac-...D-/171040302671
Wish to keep it in the family?Jump at this one,going fast.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/1991-Porsche-944-S...965293#shpCntId
veekry9
Click to view attachment

04-LS1-GTO shaved of the ancillaries will fit nicely with room for a damper,shorter than stock.
Piping will be necessary to the coolant passages,welded tubing to a remote pump,driven by a jackshaft perhaps.
The deep pan will be discarded for a dry sump system.The ancillaries driven by a serpentine belt.
A plan to install an engine for your highpowered 914 must be just that a plan,making drawings of parts to fit.
Stretching the wheelbase is an option if a custom 914 is considered.Part of a plan.
A modification of the suspension to suit the changed CG and CM likely be necessary to suit those changed conditions.
Is it possible to fit an LS1 without cutting the firewall front and rear?Maybe,a tape measure is handy.
http://www.fiero.nl/forum/Forum3/HTML/000137.html
thelogo
Isn't the best way to do it just to go the kit car route

Where you just use everything from a donor corvette

Enging !
Trans?
Brakes

And on and on ???


Suspension ???

And you would always have parts readily available
thelogo
And can someone tell me what is so special

About the renegade hybrid setup


veekry9
Well,the trans won't fit in a 914 mid firstly and I want a 914 to modify in my own way.
A number of fine 914s are on the market for the original experience,pony up the dough.
A rusted hulk of a 914 with mice nests is what some are starting with on their journey to 914 valhalla.
My take is,with that amount of labour I can make and have my own flavour.

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Not for me ,but I like what he did,looks a little like the Vette you mentioned.
thelogo
QUOTE(veekry9 @ Jan 13 2015, 08:13 PM) *

Well,the trans won't in a 914 mid firstly and I want a 914 to modify in my own way.
A number of fine 914s are on the market for the original experience,pony up the dough.
A rusted hulk of a 914 with mice nests is what some are starting with on their journey to 914 valhalla.
My take is,with that amount of labour I can make and have my own flavour.

Click to view attachment

Not for me ,but I like what he did,looks a little like the Vette you mentioned.





I know I said use everything from a donor car

But not the taillights WTF.gif
Mike Bellis
QUOTE(thelogo @ Jan 13 2015, 08:11 PM) *

And can someone tell me what is so special

About the renegade hybrid setup

They have an off the shelf, proven, engineered system. You pay for their years of experience and development.
veekry9

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kB0IQGzecfM
http://www.renegadehybrids.com/

Says it all,an economical way to get some ponys under the hood,whether LS or Rover.
veekry9
QUOTE(thelogo @ Jan 13 2015, 11:40 PM) *

QUOTE(veekry9 @ Jan 13 2015, 08:13 PM) *

Well,the trans won't in a 914 mid firstly and I want a 914 to modify in my own way.
A number of fine 914s are on the market for the original experience,pony up the dough.
A rusted hulk of a 914 with mice nests is what some are starting with on their journey to 914 valhalla.
My take is,with that amount of labour I can make and have my own flavour.

Click to view attachment

Not for me ,but I like what he did,looks a little like the Vette you mentioned.





I know I said use everything from a donor car

But not the taillights WTF.gif


I guess the simplicity of a flat panel with what appears to be LED lites is not to my taste.
He's added some slots as detail that look ok,great effort to make wider to cover up the meats.
I'll search for another view of the car.

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So yeah,way too boxy,not enough shape other than a cube.
A shape with some 3D contour is needed.
veekry9
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Not a flat panel anywhere,40K for sale.
http://classiccars.com/listings/view/25203...alifornia-92101

More to my liking,although a lighter body would be better.Like the colour.
veekry9
What to connect the LS7T to once you've made the decision to go V8.
I had dismissed the SuBee 6TX as too light for V8 duty but clearly "returf" has shown it to be robust.

https://www.google.ca/search?q=subaru+6+spe...136%3B300%3B184


Click to view attachment SUPERCAR GEARBOX http://www.xtrac.com/

Xtrac (www.xtrac.com), a British racing transmission design company, has developed a generic 6-speed synchromesh transverse transaxle for high-performance road cars. The gearbox handles up to 1,100 Nm of torque, has a maximum gear ratio spread from 15.79:1 to 1.866:1, and weighs just 97 kg. Its generic front plate mates to the engine bellhousing, and the design eliminates the need for an OEM to develop its own high-cost gearbox.

Expensive no doubt.
veekry9
QUOTE(JRust @ Jan 11 2015, 11:28 PM) *

Yes I ran the buick 215 v8 for about 4 years. Oil leaks are definitely an issue you'll deal with. Mine was built & supposedly putting out 260hp. From my rear I would say it was more like 180 or so. You can make it work but with the suby options & the LS1 I don't know why you would. You still need to do an adapter plate & all the conversion stuff you'd need with any water cooled car. So while you can get the 215 to work. You'd spend more getting it right than using a newer motor.


http://rustybuttrusty.com/2014/08/21/water...porsche-914-v8/

Do you know this car?
The writer is right,those flares are hideous and must be replaced.
In all probability the 914 is still available,maybe 2500?

Bulldog9
QUOTE(veekry9 @ Jan 14 2015, 01:03 AM) *

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Not a flat panel anywhere,40K for sale.
http://classiccars.com/listings/view/25203...alifornia-92101

More to my liking,although a lighter body would be better.Like the colour.


.............. drooley.gif I think my future just changed. this is beautiful
DBCooper
That one's pretty expensive, try www.spyderclub.com. Their big upgrade used to be T4 engines (from a T1) but are now tending more toward Subaru. I used to covet one too, but those are really really small cars, so if you're tall you kind of stick up what seems to be an unnatural amount.

monkeyboy
QUOTE(veekry9 @ Jan 13 2015, 10:54 PM) *

What to connect the LS1 to once you've made the decision to go V8.
I had dismissed the SuBee 6TX as too light for V8 duty but clearly "returf" has shown it to be robust.

https://www.google.ca/search?q=subaru+6+spe...136%3B300%3B184


Click to view attachment SUPERCAR GEARBOX

Xtrac (www.xtrac.com), a British racing transmission design company, has developed a generic 6-speed synchromesh transverse transaxle for high-performance road cars. The gearbox handles up to 1,100 Nm of torque, has a maximum gear ratio spread from 15.79:1 to 1.866:1, and weighs just 97 kg. Its generic front plate mates to the engine bellhousing, and the design eliminates the need for an OEM to develop its own high-cost gearbox.

Expensive no doubt.


I'd stick to an Albins or Mendiola myself. Been on enough trips through the dunes in high horsepower cars to trust them.

If they can take a 750 hp LS motor with four passengers and paddle tires and wheelie at will, they will be fine in my car.
veekry9
Unique enough to inquire the price,the application a road/track car with giant power.
The transverse arrangement of the main and countershafts is a compact design.
The buggy app shows off the Mendeola TX,demonstrating great strength.

http://mendeolamotors.com/trans-proto/?opt...7&Itemid=29

The price difference is what sets them apart.
Tilly74
After reading all 9 pages of this, I feel I should add my $.03

Aren't we lucky to have so many options? With the help of this forum and people trying multiple combos and setups, there's only one direction for the 914 to head and that's back on the road. Maybe what this forum needs is more organization in the "garage"...

Air cooled section
-type IV
-Six

Water cooled section
-V8
-Subaru
-Other
Maltese Falcon
Lots of good high hp/tq. transaxle options over at
CaliforniaMotorsports.com
They are in Lake Havasu, Az.
Roger supplies the kit car guys like FactoryFive, Ultima, and hooked us up too driving.gif
veekry9
I've considered how much work it would take to create a thread of vendors for our application,the unsung Porsche 914.
A table of categories to save time searching the rabbithole of the web.
"Cylinderhead Rebuilder" is one category.
"Transaxle Rebuilder" is another.
"T4 High Performance" is a third.

In the Classified section a list of "for sale" and "wanted" exclusively that is cross-referenced by part name automatically so that a manual search is not required.
Mueller
QUOTE(Mike Bellis @ Jan 13 2015, 08:47 PM) *

QUOTE(thelogo @ Jan 13 2015, 08:11 PM) *

And can someone tell me what is so special

About the renegade hybrid setup

They have an off the shelf, proven, engineered system. You pay for their years of experience and development.



^And customer support...a web based forum can only go so far helping you.

If you could do it all yourself you wouldn't be here asking questions, you'd be doing something to the car.

veekry9
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https://www.google.ca/search?q=vw+vr6&b...hmentid=483088].

The World of the modern American mid.
http://www.fiero.nl/forum/Forum3/HTML/000014.html

Will it fit?Yes.
Can you add turbo?Yes.
Can You have a 6spd?Yes.
What's not to like?

http://www.schimmelperformance.com/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kx067rRjyBs
monkeyboy
Will that fit under the stock engine cover?
veekry9
Might have a point there,I'm sure the Fiero's bay is slightly taller by 50mm or so.

(edit:)The pix in "bmwguru"s thd clearly shows the clearance is ample.Compact engine.
Mueller
QUOTE(monkeyboy @ Jan 14 2015, 02:07 PM) *

Will that fit under the stock engine cover?



VR6 into a 914...sorta...

http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showtopic=14819


To be honest with you I cannot remember why I sold the car...stupidity possibly?!

....I "think" I would have to have smogged the car at the time?!
veekry9
Transversely was considered?
Mueller
QUOTE(veekry9 @ Jan 14 2015, 02:39 PM) *

Transversely was considered?


Never.....that's a FWD setup only!!!!!

smile.gif
veekry9
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69 Muria

Sneak a peek at this.
https://www.google.ca/search?q=miura+engine...a%3B4272%3B2848
Cracker
WTF.gif

Talk about "off topic"! This thread has produced a first - unsubscribing! Every time I read the latest response it has nothing to do with the OP's question.

Focus people. Focus! confused24.gif screwy.gif
veekry9
V8s like this,V8s like that,I have 4 flat engines,one of which I will install eventually.And yes it is a Porsche.
A discussion of options,just was informed Mueller had a VR6 installed longitudinally.Way to go Mueller.
Simply avoid thds that upset you.If it doesn't blow your skirt up,don't have a hissy fit.
Mike Bellis
QUOTE(veekry9 @ Jan 14 2015, 03:33 PM) *

V8s like this,V8s like that,I have 4 flat engines,one of which I will install eventually.And yes it is a Porsche.
A discussion of options,just was informed Mueller had a VR6 installed longitudinally.Way to go Mueller.
Simply avoid thds that upset you.If it doesn't blow your skirt up,don't have a hissy fit.

Are you off your meds again? idea.gif
Mark Henry
QUOTE(Cracker @ Jan 14 2015, 06:21 PM) *

WTF.gif

Talk about "off topic"! This thread has produced a first - unsubscribing! Every time I read the latest response it has nothing to do with the OP's question.

Focus people. Focus! confused24.gif screwy.gif

And to think you got right pissy with me because I dared mention a six.... av-943.gif
Mueller
QUOTE(Cracker @ Jan 14 2015, 03:21 PM) *

WTF.gif

Talk about "off topic"! This thread has produced a first - unsubscribing! Every time I read the latest response it has nothing to do with the OP's question.

Focus people. Focus! confused24.gif screwy.gif



What more is there to add to the original question?

Nothing, it has all been covered...
veekry9
QUOTE(returf @ Jan 6 2015, 03:11 AM) *

If you were even to consider a rover v8 I would have to point out the following, unless you use the later model fuel injected range rover engine you would be getting 60's technology, no strength in the bottom end and just a small increase in hp from a decent 4 cly, and oil leaks beyond any that porsche could ever produce. We've been using them here for years and the only way to make a good one is to throw large amounts of money at them. lexus v8's are a good engine if you could get one to fit and are engineered from factory to be capable of excellent hp. ( the speedway boys are even fitting carbs to them and getting 500hp ) but the best v8 by far is the LS range. these are narrow, light and easy to get parts for. just my 2c. P.S. glad to see things settling down a bit on this thread bye1.gif



"returf" Has a valid point,as a neat package of modern DOHC 32V can be had at a low cost from the JDM.
The ecu would likely have to be ditched as they are tightly integrated with the vehicle's systems.
A dropin with some fabwork for the cradle+headers+cooling+++.

http://www.ebay.com/bhp/toyota-v8-engine
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toyota_UZ_engine
KEP p#8600 bellhousing.
http://www.ebay.com/bhp/nissan-titan-engine
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nissan_VK_engine
KEP p#5460 bellhousing.

Limiting an engine purchase to the ubiquitous LS series discards the low cost solution of these abundant medium V8s.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pJOiGQt_DbE


JRust
ar15.gif Die Thread Die ar15.gif Die Thread Die ar15.gif
DBCooper

Yes, please, enough is enough. Question, was answered. More than answered, now die, die die.


Mueller
QUOTE(veekry9 @ Jan 15 2015, 10:20 AM) *

QUOTE(returf @ Jan 6 2015, 03:11 AM) *

If you were even to consider a rover v8 I would have to point out the following, unless you use the later model fuel injected range rover engine you would be getting 60's technology, no strength in the bottom end and just a small increase in hp from a decent 4 cly, and oil leaks beyond any that porsche could ever produce. We've been using them here for years and the only way to make a good one is to throw large amounts of money at them. lexus v8's are a good engine if you could get one to fit and are engineered from factory to be capable of excellent hp. ( the speedway boys are even fitting carbs to them and getting 500hp ) but the best v8 by far is the LS range. these are narrow, light and easy to get parts for. just my 2c. P.S. glad to see things settling down a bit on this thread bye1.gif



"returf" Has a valid point,as a neat package of modern DOHC 32V can be had at a low cost from the JDM.
The ecu would likely have to be ditched as they are tightly integrated with the vehicle's systems.
A dropin with some fabwork for the cradle+headers+cooling+++.

http://www.ebay.com/bhp/toyota-v8-engine
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toyota_UZ_engine
KEP p#8600 bellhousing.
http://www.ebay.com/bhp/nissan-titan-engine
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nissan_VK_engine
KEP p#5460 bellhousing.

Limiting an engine purchase to the ubiquitous LS series discards the low cost solution of these abundant medium V8s.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pJOiGQt_DbE



What a ripoff for that adapter plate.... I can see a few hundred dollars for $30 in material...this guy is just raping people that don't know any better or must be the only person making them.


Mueller
QUOTE(DBCooper @ Jan 15 2015, 12:29 PM) *

Yes, please, enough is enough. Question, was answered. More than answered, now die, die die.



I like seeing the oddball engines and options from veekry9, he is a little off just like me!
veekry9
QUOTE(Maltese Falcon @ Jan 3 2015, 02:18 PM) *

QUOTE(Cracker @ Jan 3 2015, 09:44 AM) *

The old-er stock (pre-2004) LS1's redline at 6k; my LS3 redlines at 6500. However, I never have to get close to the limit (shift light is set at 6100) due to the mountain of torque available.

Regarding non-Porsche drivetrains being allowed to run PCA A/X events...generally yes. Now, PCA "club racing" is an entirely different animal. Only Porsche drive-lines/components allowed.

QUOTE(Steve @ Jan 3 2015, 12:28 PM) *

I couldn't agree more. I had a big 4, didn't like the driveability so I switched to a six. I am also a fan of v8 914's though I have never ridden in one. From a gearing standpoint what is the red line of a stock aluminum ls1? I noticed the peak hp is around 5800 rpms.
Curious about the other politics. Does PCA allow non Porsche power plants at an Autocross?
I wish I could afford two 914's. One with a v8.



Did someone say Porsche drive-line/ components allowed? Appearing at Porsche Club events very soon...



http://www.ebay.com/bhp/porsche-928-engine
Seems like a reasonable price as long as the bores are intact.A re+re of the bearings and rings with a topend rebuild and you have yourself a sang pur Porsche 914.
Other than 918-S,who has seat time in such a renn blaster?
Mark Henry
QUOTE(veekry9 @ Jan 15 2015, 01:20 PM) *

QUOTE(returf @ Jan 6 2015, 03:11 AM) *

If you were even to consider a rover v8 I would have to point out the following, unless you use the later model fuel injected range rover engine you would be getting 60's technology, no strength in the bottom end and just a small increase in hp from a decent 4 cly, and oil leaks beyond any that porsche could ever produce. We've been using them here for years and the only way to make a good one is to throw large amounts of money at them. lexus v8's are a good engine if you could get one to fit and are engineered from factory to be capable of excellent hp. ( the speedway boys are even fitting carbs to them and getting 500hp ) but the best v8 by far is the LS range. these are narrow, light and easy to get parts for. just my 2c. P.S. glad to see things settling down a bit on this thread bye1.gif



"returf" Has a valid point,as a neat package of modern DOHC 32V can be had at a low cost from the JDM.
The ecu would likely have to be ditched as they are tightly integrated with the vehicle's systems.
A dropin with some fabwork for the cradle+headers+cooling+++.

http://www.ebay.com/bhp/toyota-v8-engine
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toyota_UZ_engine
KEP p#8600 bellhousing.
http://www.ebay.com/bhp/nissan-titan-engine
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nissan_VK_engine
KEP p#5460 bellhousing.

Limiting an engine purchase to the ubiquitous LS series discards the low cost solution of these abundant medium V8s.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pJOiGQt_DbE





Veek's... are the toyota and nissan engines iron or aluminum blocks??


smile.gif stirthepot.gif popcorn[1].gif
veekry9
QUOTE(Mueller @ Jan 15 2015, 03:33 PM) *

QUOTE(veekry9 @ Jan 15 2015, 10:20 AM) *

QUOTE(returf @ Jan 6 2015, 03:11 AM) *

If you were even to consider a rover v8 I would have to point out the following, unless you use the later model fuel injected range rover engine you would be getting 60's technology, no strength in the bottom end and just a small increase in hp from a decent 4 cly, and oil leaks beyond any that porsche could ever produce. We've been using them here for years and the only way to make a good one is to throw large amounts of money at them. lexus v8's are a good engine if you could get one to fit and are engineered from factory to be capable of excellent hp. ( the speedway boys are even fitting carbs to them and getting 500hp ) but the best v8 by far is the LS range. these are narrow, light and easy to get parts for. just my 2c. P.S. glad to see things settling down a bit on this thread bye1.gif





http://www.ebay.com/bhp/toyota-v8-engine
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toyota_UZ_engine
KEP p#8600 bellhousing.
http://www.ebay.com/bhp/nissan-titan-engine
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nissan_VK_engine
KEP p#5460 bellhousing.




What a ripoff for that adapter plate.... I can see a few hundred dollars for $30 in material...this guy is just raping people that don't know any better or must be the only person making them.


It's labour intensive work to fab the patterns to ram the sand and heat and pour the metal for a small batch production,essentially an under 20pc demand per annum,if that.The price reflects the exclusive nature of the castings.They refuse to make them at a loss.

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Ferrari will cast a replacement cylinder head for your 250 at a price. biggrin.gif
Mark Henry
QUOTE(veekry9 @ Jan 15 2015, 03:54 PM) *

QUOTE(Mueller @ Jan 15 2015, 03:33 PM) *

QUOTE(veekry9 @ Jan 15 2015, 10:20 AM) *

QUOTE(returf @ Jan 6 2015, 03:11 AM) *

If you were even to consider a rover v8 I would have to point out the following, unless you use the later model fuel injected range rover engine you would be getting 60's technology, no strength in the bottom end and just a small increase in hp from a decent 4 cly, and oil leaks beyond any that porsche could ever produce. We've been using them here for years and the only way to make a good one is to throw large amounts of money at them. lexus v8's are a good engine if you could get one to fit and are engineered from factory to be capable of excellent hp. ( the speedway boys are even fitting carbs to them and getting 500hp ) but the best v8 by far is the LS range. these are narrow, light and easy to get parts for. just my 2c. P.S. glad to see things settling down a bit on this thread bye1.gif





http://www.ebay.com/bhp/toyota-v8-engine
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toyota_UZ_engine
KEP p#8600 bellhousing.
http://www.ebay.com/bhp/nissan-titan-engine
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nissan_VK_engine
KEP p#5460 bellhousing.




What a ripoff for that adapter plate.... I can see a few hundred dollars for $30 in material...this guy is just raping people that don't know any better or must be the only person making them.


It's labour intensive work to fab the patterns to ram the sand and heat and pour the metal for a small batch production,essentially an under 20pc demand per annum,if that.The price reflects the exclusive nature of the castings.They refuse to make them at a loss.

Click to view attachment

Ferrari will cast a replacement cylinder head for your 250 at a price. biggrin.gif



I have the exact same carbs on my 2007cc Gene Berg engine in my bus. DCNF 42
john77
This thread reminds me of the end of Terminator, when the Terminator's legs have been blown off, and Linda Hamilton is so relieved, and you're so relieved, because it's finally over, there's no way that killer robot is coming back from this. No. Way. And then. Hold on. What's this? You gotta be kidding me? Nooooooooooooooooooooo!!!
Mark Henry
Here a 914 with a turbo.
veekry9
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Your GuvNor,a great actor,and Ron Reagan before him. biggrin.gif
veekry9
QUOTE(Mark Henry @ Jan 15 2015, 04:11 PM) *

Here a 914 with a turbo.

One of a kind,strange stuff and without luggage space for two,so a limited utility car,no doubt powerful.
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