Awesome! I'd very much like to see the build details...another thread maybe if it doesn't exist. Which model are you building around this beautiful motor? Another thread perhaps (if needed).


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I get what you're saying. You keep using that analogy, but I don't think it's valid in terms of how these cars are perceived. The Cobra is essentially a factory built car; water cooled 914's are not.
Had Chevy (or another large name) been importing 914 bodies and putting V8's in them in the factory I think you'd see a different attitude towards the conversion from the air-cooled purists.
And I also think, had Cobras been built by private enthusiasts, you would see a different attitude towards them as well. If it wasn't Carol Shelby who had done the engine/trans conversions, in a legitimate partnership with Ford, they would just be a novelty car and certainly not worth the $1,000,000+ that they go for now.

I'm not making an argument either way...just saying I think there's a reason why there's a different attitude towards the Cobra "conversion" than towards a 914 conversion; and that reason is the legitimacy of the cars being built by a famous racing driver who was backed by an automobile manufacturer.

Look...if you love water-cooled cars, that's great. If you love air-cooled cars, that's great. Whatever puts a smile on your face, man!

The only "factory" involvement with Ford that Carroll Shelby had was supplying the engines and transmissions. He told Ford that AC was interested- He told AC that Ford was interested! He was a privateer until Ford saw how successful he was racing with their engines but it was all his (and Brock Yates I believe) engineering that put the power to the road. Not a bona-fide engineer in the group, just a couple of good 'ol fashioned hot rodders with an idea... kinda like what we've got here. 4, 6 or 8- if it's modified to fit your taste and style, you're a hot rodder by definition and that ain't a bad thing!

right and the first cobra's had a 260 ci engine.... and then those bastards had the balls to put a 427 ci monster in it !!!!!

terrible right ?

It was "allot of fun guys" but I'm done with this thread...some of you "hardcore six" fellas are two-shy of a full house (hard to reason with).

I'm not a hardcore six guy, I will never do another one.
If the OP want's to post my top ten picks on engines, that I gave him in a PM, I believe a /6 was number 7 or 8.
My #1 pick was to build a mild T4 and get some seat time before going bigger. Then he was thinking V6, to which I replied a V8 is a better choice.

All I was asking for was an apples to apples comparison and you got all butt hurt.
Then plain and simple you got a hard-on for me and decided to be a cunt.
You were trying to belittle me, something I know you wouldn't do standing face to face.

All is good, I don't hold a grudge
Cheers

Mark - Glad you're ok...I was just playin' with you - I'd do it your face too. You can be my B _ _ _ _ h 7 days a week (you've already been mine this week). Cheers!

Has anyone ever put a Type 4 in a Corvette?

Wow. Too bad about this thread.
I guess the only thing that could have been realistic would have been comments from people that have owned both. (A smokin hot type 4 vs a v8)
Too many comments from nice folks that havent owned either one. Bullsh!t.

Not really - it's all about passion right! Isn't that why we're here? There are many of the owned both group to filter through and also purists, racers - everyone has their own perspective. It's good to hear it all.

I apologize for getting pissed, but just because you don't agree with another members POV it doesn't give you the right to belittle that person. Plus this is a big boy's club with little rules, so don't dish it out if you can't take it.

Sure I like to see our cars with the engines they came from the factory, but I also appreciate good engineering, so I'm not near against other engines as one may think.
The fact that I find this old F/S ad, where I was just passing on info, quite amusing seeing as I'm such a alleged V8 hater.
http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showtopic=199951

Heck I'm seriously thinking of selling my '67 bus and building a vanagon westy (syncro would be the dream) with a VW1.8T or subi engine.

My POV is because the only (local Canadian) 914 V8's I've been exposed to is a couple of heavy iron block hacks, one LS1 that showed promise then blew up, one with a 1000hp that twisted the body and the project stalled and the rest never got off jackstands. (note I believe the LS1 failed do to builder error, not saying anything bad about the LS1)
With a newbie I rather see the car get off the jack stands with a under powered 1.7, then be the best project in the world...that never gets finished.
But again that is my POV, yours may be different, but even if we disagree we must respect the others persons POV.

Peace

Has anyone tried the Buick/Rover 231 V8? ....

I believe Rover/Landrover then used the motor for many years afterwards, and Oldsmobile also had a version of the all aluminum small block.

Has anyone tried the Buick/Rover 231 V8? I had one in a 62 Skylark back in highschool was 200HP/300FT +/- stock, and very light. I pulled the motor out of it and put it in a 70 Opel GT, but that car was rotten from the inside out and split in half at an unofficial Autocross event.

I believe Rover/Landrover then used the motor for many years afterwards, and Oldsmobile also had a version of the all aluminum small block.

several guys have run the buick light weight. Jrust is one.

the way I see it, it would be best to have and drive a T4 car first to experience the handling of the car with out having the stupid pedal ready to kill you before you know whats happening.

them after you kinda know the reasonable limits the cars handling has then you could add power and still respect the cars capability.

if you over drive the brakes with the 4 you will have a better chance of not going way over your head like if you had big power. and the there is the throttle lift over steer that with a larger engine will throw you into a snap spin much faster than the low compression T4 will.

Wow . . .

Interesting that nobody actually mentioned that the V8 doesn't weigh that much more. I don't know how much lighter the LS is than the SBC, but the iron head and block SBC with all associated hardware only adds 250 lbs to the total car weight and the weight distribution is still 49/51%. It's no more than noticeable than taking a big friend for a ride.

The purist will bark all day long about how you ruin the handling, and the need to go bigger wheels and brakes. I agree to some extent, but the modification don't have to be extreme.

Drive one before you decide . . .

Oh my, that's nice. Pete Brock/Cobra-related huh? Well how about that.

When will someone use this? 2.8L, 400hp @10,000 rpm...

The V8 out of a Volvo XC 90 is apparently very small for a V8, its designed by Yamaha if I remember correcly....perhaps something to look into?

The v8 was ditched long ago. Car has been a roller for 2 years at least now. The buick 215 weight wise was great. I was still just under 2200lbs with my 70 914 with it in there. That motor is really deep with the water pump really sticking out. With my tranny in the stock location they cut out the firewall & made a cap for it to work. I had plans of putting an LS1 in its place. Even had the motor for a while but just didn't have the time to get to it. Eventually sold the motor.

I bought my current suby not long after. Just love that car & really love the subaru conversions period. Was figuring on a eg33 six but the WRX turbo motor is great. So when that came up I jumped.

For this setup I don't want to reinvent the wheel. It may go in as close to how it came out as possible. I am looking at all my options with it. Which include what I can do to improve the setup. I'd love nothing more than to throw it in & drive it. At the same time if I need to make some changes. I want to do it all before its in.

As it stands I need to do something different to mount the motor. I don't have a cradle for it. I might be able to copy my current cradle on the 2.5. I don't think I can & keep the motor with exhaust as it sits. I like the idea of coming from the front as it takes the exhaust out of the equation. Even using the headers to move the turbo in front would work with that mount. I won't know until I get it here & can physically compare things. I would like to do this the easiest way possible. Ideally if I can bolt is up with it's current setup. I will do that & just figure a way to mount it. Whatever I end up doing I will document here in this thread. The build threads are the best here when people post what they did & why. Everyone here helps get it to a finished car. Thats why I posted to get input from those who may have a better way. I don't claim to be a genius by any means

Durability? Ok so back to intentions. Most of us dont use these cars as daily drivers, (Hmm maybe that's worth a POLL) so should that even be a consideration?

An LS1 is 350 hp and with the factory injection will both start and run like a dream.

A real done up type 4 will sound much nicer but obviolsuy about a bit more than half the power.