Those prices must factor shop labor. If it's going to cost 10-12k to rebuild a small /6, then I'll just take my car to the junkyard when I come back stateside, and just buy a Honda.

-Rusty

Pg. 51 June '04 Panorama-

Motor Meister
rebuild kits
2.0-2.7=$599
3.0-3.2=$649

Complete rebuilt long block 3.6 =$5495 exch.

I want to run my 2.0? and then save my money and look for a fire breathing six bomb.

By the time you do all the machine work upgrading the (basically) 1969T engine, you may as well find a good 2.2E or S core and build it. In the long run it would probably cost you less.

I'm no FI expert, but I'll tell you that a 3.2 with Motronic is the way to go with large displacement 914's. I feel very competent and comfortable tuning Webers, but I'd trade that skill for reliable, no back firing when cold, turn the key and go, Motronic.

The Motronic system isn't like the 914 FI system. Have you ever drove a 914 with a 3.2 Motronic engine??? It would change your tune

But it's your car and your $$, you need to do what makes you get wood.

PK

He doesnt know about MM.


B

find out *exactly* what's in those "rebuild kits" - sounds like it's just a gasket kit, rod bearings, and rod bolts. MAYBE rings.

find out EXACTLY what MM puts in their "complete rebuilt long block"...

It's true I don't know.

I'm a know knothing knothead ...Today.

Tell me what I need to know.

I talked to those guys (MotorMeister) before I started the conversion process on bluecar. They use and are proud of using, used parts. They feel those are better? I was turned off by them, then discussed them with folks in the LA area and decided it was best to forget they exist.

Are you saying they sell used: bearings, rings, gaskets, etc. as a rebuild kit?

Not likely. Esp if they are a consistant advertiser in Pano. ( $$$ )

Stranger things do happen...I know this to be true.

He said:



They like to reuse old cylinders/pistons/rods/rod bolts... everything Porsche recommends you replace.

You get what you pay for. It ranks right up there with their *rebuilt* trannies. They collect semi worn used parts and *rebuild* trannies with them.

They sell new bearings/seals.


B

Though Porsche is my #1 car, a Ferrari would be a worthy stallion for my stable. I look at the Ferrari engine and it looks gorgeous, especially those with the red textured valve covers. That's what I think of when I hear Ferrari. Heck, I'd be happy with a mock engine (gutless) as a base for a glass table. It's the engine. When I think of Ferrari I think of a beautiful car with a gorgeous Ferrari engine, not a Ferrari body with a common Chevy or Mazda or Subaru engine.

So, when it comes to Porsches, they gotta have the Porsche engine. Now I know the history of the little 914 and even though they did come with the VW four-banger my head, my soul, thinks of the 914 as a true Porsche sports car that has the six-banger powerplant. Open the bonnet and bask in the glow of a pure-Porsche sixer. How could you ever stop smiling?

I say go to the expense and install the six. You can always swap something bigger once the current loans are paid for Do it for the purity, the passion, and the self-gratifying oohs-n-aaaahs


Okay, before feathers get ruffled about the 4-banger...I have a rebuilt 2.0L, stock FI (FI is superior to carbs and the path I choose to drive) in my 914. My Squareback has a BUILT air-cooled engine (carbed ). It's fun to give the snooty V8 crowd and punk rice boyz in Mummy&Daddy's pimp-mobile a serious run for their money in a powerful four-banger, heck yeah. But for my 914 (if I had the $$$) I would definitely drop in a 2.0L six-banger. It's all about the soul.

I ran into a little snag on the test oil line fitting today

One end is the wrong size. Oh well. I'll look tomorrow.

On a positve note, I drove a friend's Boxter today.
He just got new tires and it was blast. It has the 2.7 with the 5 speed.
The sound and the power of the six was AWESOME.

I am going to make every effort to do this project.
The actual transplant, motor checks out O.K., will be after a/x and into winter.

Come on trekkor, you're slow! Vroom, vroom!

The small engines are fine. Yes, I've driven a 3.2 powered 914. But it's your car, do what you want with it.

Here's the thing Trekkor. You got a decent deal on a running small 6. Do the conversion, pop in the motor, and if you want more power later, All you need do is find a lareger motor and fork over the $$$.

Vroom Vroom is right. We started that thing...Tonight

Mark thanks for your help...again.

Had to shim out the VW bus bell housing to get the starter gear off the flywheel after start-up..

Carbs need rebuilding...No surprise there.
Fired right up though and revved up. I'm very satisfied.

All you SIX nuts, help me with this.
Weber 40IDA's have 55 idles, 30 chokes and 180's visible down the sight hole ( emulsion tube stack? )

We made a video of the intial start and run ( with flywheel clatter ) . Mark will post it tomorrow night for your entertainment. I wish we shot some footage after some tweaking. The first couple of minute were...well, rather smokey.

Anyway, progress.

Cheer me on!

KT

Remember that Larry Sharp's little 914 6 - 2.0 used to clean up at GGR autox two/ three years ago.

He knew how to drive and had a solid car.

here

yeah, baby!

awesome, trekkor. your face in that picture says it all!

i say find a way to keep that exhaust as is!

The exhaust would be easy to install as is, just take out the rear window. The only thing is I don't think a SuperTrapp 3 inches from your ear is a great idea. Now if he could turn it around, that might be cool.

Good job locating an engine Trekkor! Now just put the thing in your 914 and enjoy. Don't listen to people who are talking 3.0/3.2/3.6. The engines cost money, a lot of money. You now have a six to put in. Do it, drive it until something better comes along that you can afford.

Congrats! Looks great!

If you need anthything that I can help with, let me know. I would be willing to help out with my back yard bob 914-6 tin, bell crank throttle linkage and muffler bracket if you like.

Sweat! Another 914 will be a six soon!

Here's the video. It's almost 60 MB. If somebody can shrink it, please do.

http://www.914world.com/members/markd/movi...es/trekkor6.mpg

I really enjoy this video. The engine is absolutly RAW.
Once it get gets off the rough idle it ROARS to life. Deafening.

Listen to the starter dinking up my flywheel.

This is literally the first start-up footage for you.
The thing was running and revving after about twenty seconds after sitting for up to 4 years. We didn't even have to prime the carbs or use starting fluid.

I am very stoked, as the engine is only idling on three cylinders.
Mark cleared the idle jets, we shot smoe carb cleaner at it and it improved greatly. YESSSSS

Next video will be it bench-roaring on rebuilt Webers.

GO SIX!

KT

so, you'll be running FM as well ???

Andy

I'll finish out the year in BP. This is my winter project, Sir.

Next year, we'll be using the new GGR point based classing.

KT

If the the motor was in there right now and it is a 2.0 I'd be in FP.
2.2 and I'm GP.

Slicks and I'm FM with the 2.0, 2.2 = GM

...anyway.

KT

With the exception of the idle, that thing sounds BAD ASS!

And they say "I'm" crazy.....

Trekkor, That video makes me want to go home and hook up an oil tank to my 2.0L six that has been sitting for 10 years. Wow!! That was cool. Go little six Go. Mark

wow... the clink clank. did that mess up yur starter/flywheel? sounds cool dude! and flip the exhaust and run it out the engine lid

The flywheel and starter were fine. We shimmed the bell housing back a bit. It was a vw bus bell housing, so the dimensions were a bit off.

Easy 800th post.

Watch the video and tell me something!

KT

Start-up video

Brad, you would of loved it. Even if just to mock me for burning my arm on the header.

KT

"That's HOT!"


nice ending!

Trekkor are you selling that trick exhaust? Maybe I need to buy a dune buggy and put me 2.0L six in it. How did you rig up the oil tank? I have a trans and a starter I just need to get the oil system to bench run my motor. Good luck with the project. Thanks Mark

The exhaust is likely uneeded. Tri-Mil 6 into 1 with Supertrapp...Ouch. ( that's hot.) pointing.

Oil tank is just leaning against my toolbox out of the picture.

Trekkor

Update:

The last two autocrosses had 914-6's that trashed me!
...And I picked up my Patrick Moly Mount today.

One more item to cross off the list.

KT

Nothing personal against the four bangers but any six is cool no matter what the size is.
My favorite song will always be a six with webers.

i don't know ...

the *roar* of a 1.8 with D-Jet and a monza is hard to beat!
Andy

I've been enjoying a couple of Pepe Deluxe albums lately, so I guess those are my favorites.

Trekkor , since you've got your motor mount..it looks like you're converting to 6-congrats !
An old friend of mine , Joe Miller (founded TriMil) built your dune-header. Joe passed on recently-but he built some crazy stuff !
I started our parts upgrade company in 1976, and focused on the 914. Since then I've still got it bad for 914s. If you need some decent mandrel (correct) headers for your conversion- - I can hook you up with a pair when you're ready. These are close copies of the factory race style used in the early 70's, direct fit without extensions.
Since we are both board members here ...you can have these at the W/D price (call me-- can't post $!)
Marty/ msdsinc. 818-507-6937

Trekkor,
I haven't forgot about you! I will get some templates off to you soon for the engine tin, exhaust (muffler) hanger and whatever else I can dig up for you. I still have the P Moly mount on my conversion, works just fine. Sorry I didn't get that stuff to you earlier, but my after hours shop still has a waiting list. It is fun work, but man! My wife has been giving my looks lately.

Headers, we've got headers.

Thanks to Marty at MSDS.

www.msdsinc.com

KT

very, very pretty !

I got a muffler yesterday from Martin. Thank you.

Ansa four tipped dual quiet packs.

Got the sheet metal templates last week as well, yay!
thanks, dan.

KT

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That should rust in about a week....

Rust is good...It will match my car.

splurge on the exhaust. you dont want it to look like a vw do you?

VW, I love VW's.
I want something inexpensive that I can use for street only. This was it.

I'm open to other options for track. Or not.

KT