Next week the new floor pans will go in and the suspension will be pulled. Then the the passenger rear fender will go back on and then the car will get blasted.
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Full Version: A 914-6GT Build Thread
This is going to be like one of those movies (think Tarantino) that your finally getting the plot, then it switchs back in time.
I found a photo file from when I got the car. Here goes
T.C.
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I found a photo file from when I got the car. Here goes
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2 914-6 trannies in addition to all the trannies on page 1
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I'll be back to the Future soon,
T.C.
More parts
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2 914-6 trannies in addition to all the trannies on page 1
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I'll be back to the Future soon,
T.C.
What is the difference in a 6 tranny and a 4 tranny ? Gearing ?
Oh and BTW I like that RARE trunk crest
Oh and BTW I like that RARE trunk crest
There is a gearing differnce and the intermediate plate is different. The intermediate plate has the bell-crank for the throttle linkage.
That pic of the 2 trannies - one is a six, one is a regular 4, but I did get 2 914-6 trannies out of the 8 I got with the car.
T.C.
That pic of the 2 trannies - one is a six, one is a regular 4, but I did get 2 914-6 trannies out of the 8 I got with the car.
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Are you going to put GT stiffing kit on the rear?
Bob
Are you going to put GT stiffing kit on the rear?
Bob
Only doing an Engman Kit
T.C.
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#41 was running the 2.5 SS for 30,000 miles with 7 inch BBS with Michelins. Some where in there these stress cracks appeared. There is no rust on this car in any place in the rear of this car or longs. I believe that there is a lot of stress put on this area of the car as the underside of transmission is bolted there in the center. It is like the step of a ladder. This is one of the main points of the GT kit and that is why I am putting Rick J's kit in.
With the wider wheels like I will be running and the bigger HP it is something to consider.
Bob
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#41 was running the 2.5 SS for 30,000 miles with 7 inch BBS with Michelins. Some where in there these stress cracks appeared. There is no rust on this car in any place in the rear of this car or longs. I believe that there is a lot of stress put on this area of the car as the underside of transmission is bolted there in the center. It is like the step of a ladder. This is one of the main points of the GT kit and that is why I am putting Rick J's kit in.
With the wider wheels like I will be running and the bigger HP it is something to consider.
Bob
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I'm not sure of the exact area of the shot since it is a close-up. But that is at a seam which the kits don't cover, which I think put more stress on the seams.
Also the plan for this car is a restore 914-6 GT that I probably won't drive much, in that I have another more Hot-Rod 914-6 Conversion. Yes the Real Six (673) will get a good high HP motor, but it will not get stressed the way I have other cars.
Also if need be I have the templates for the stiffening kit that I could make in the future and add if need be
T.C.
Also the plan for this car is a restore 914-6 GT that I probably won't drive much, in that I have another more Hot-Rod 914-6 Conversion. Yes the Real Six (673) will get a good high HP motor, but it will not get stressed the way I have other cars.
Also if need be I have the templates for the stiffening kit that I could make in the future and add if need be
T.C.
T.C.,
I just wanted to point out that I believe the kit strengthen this part. You see the place where the jack goes so you now should know where this is. Sorry to make every one guess where it was in the car. I am more intimate with every part of my car as I am so close to it. Now that I have 1/3 of my GT kit in my welding is getting much better. This will mean less grinding for me.
Bob
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I just wanted to point out that I believe the kit strengthen this part. You see the place where the jack goes so you now should know where this is. Sorry to make every one guess where it was in the car. I am more intimate with every part of my car as I am so close to it. Now that I have 1/3 of my GT kit in my welding is getting much better. This will mean less grinding for me.
Bob
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Send that manual back, the bottom left corner is bent!!!
John
John
FedEx just got here at 8pm with a package from Pelican - new rear trunk seal and a 930 Rubber shift boot like the one on my RennShifter as I'm in the process of making a custom center console for my other 914-6
T.C.
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A few more pieces.
a 3.2 Oil Pump and the Electromotive Crankfire Trigger Wheel. When I bought my Electromotive, it was missing the trigger wheel. A friend had the wheel, the oil pump and a set of $2,000 cams that I picked up for a song.
My 1st motor should be ready by the time #673 is painted.
T.C.
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a 3.2 Oil Pump and the Electromotive Crankfire Trigger Wheel. When I bought my Electromotive, it was missing the trigger wheel. A friend had the wheel, the oil pump and a set of $2,000 cams that I picked up for a song.
My 1st motor should be ready by the time #673 is painted.
T.C.
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QUOTE(burton73 @ Jan 5 2009, 03:57 PM) 
I just wanted to point out that I believe the kit strengthen this part.
I don't think so. This part is a double-wall and the GT piece is on the other side of that double-wall. There's 1/4" of air between the spot-welds inside the trunk and the GT "reinforcement" on the other side.
What people don't realize, the GT chassis kit was a complete shot in the dark by Porsche. They added a few patches where they thought they might add some strength. They were under tremendous time pressure to get those cars ready for the track, this wasn't a well thought out and engineered product.
I'm sure there's quite a few people today who could come up with better solutions ...
Andy
T.C.: What kind of cams cost $2000?
Were they used by Angelina Jolie as a sex toy?
John
The cams are Elgin 310/296 grind for a 2.8 race motor. This motor will be a twin-plug, Factory P&Cs, Carillo rods, Weber 46's, built on a sand-cast aluminum case. I think it will be at least 300hp.
My other motor that will be done 1st will be a 2.7, Single-plug, RS P&Cs, aggresive cams (don't have the specs handy), balanced factory rods, Weber 40's on a magnesium 7R case that has already been machined, shuffle-pinned etc. I expect this one will be 250 hp. Both motors will be Dyno'd
I base the projected HP numbers on the last motor I had built, which was a 2.5 Twin-Plug.
T.C.
here is the 2.5 on the Dyno
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My other motor that will be done 1st will be a 2.7, Single-plug, RS P&Cs, aggresive cams (don't have the specs handy), balanced factory rods, Weber 40's on a magnesium 7R case that has already been machined, shuffle-pinned etc. I expect this one will be 250 hp. Both motors will be Dyno'd
I base the projected HP numbers on the last motor I had built, which was a 2.5 Twin-Plug.
T.C.
here is the 2.5 on the Dyno
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QUOTE(SirAndy @ Jan 26 2009, 07:20 PM)
QUOTE(burton73 @ Jan 5 2009, 03:57 PM)
I just wanted to point out that I believe the kit strengthen this part.
I don't think so. This part is a double-wall and the GT piece is on the other side of that double-wall. There's 1/4" of air between the spot-welds inside the trunk and the GT "reinforcement" on the other side.
What people don't realize, the GT chassis kit was a complete shot in the dark by Porsche. They added a few patches where they thought they might add some strength. They were under tremendous time pressure to get those cars ready for the track, this wasn't a well thought out and engineered product.
I'm sure there's quite a few people today who could come up with better solutions ...
Andy...I agree with SirAndy...I have been researching the web and looking through historical books for placement and attachment of the stiffening plates.
This is what I have found.
CONUS - most of the people that have added their stiffening plates have actually applied them to the outside vertical wall of the boxed section only and have not carried the additional metal over the seam. This is focusing more stress to the spot welds along the seam. The 90 degree sections just above the seam would act like "live" hinges under extreme stress. The stiffening plates end at least 6 to 9 inches forward of the trans-axle cross member. I would seam weld all that is shown in your picture on both sides.
Europe - Porsche welders were not known to produce beautiful welds. Most of them were pretty uguly in fact. But note the wrapping of the metal over the seam in the attached photos. This wrap ties the two 90 degree bends with the seam and is much more stronger than just laminating the vertical wall.
Dave
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QUOTE(carr914 @ Jan 7 2009, 12:36 PM)
Another new addition. Thanks Lavanaut
Happy to contribute a part to the cause, since you did to mine as well.
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FedEx just got here at 8pm with a package from Pelican - new rear trunk seal and a 930 Rubber shift boot like the one on my RennShifter as I'm in the process of making a custom center console for my other 914-6
If you think of it, please let me know how that trunk seal install goes TC, I've got one to do myself.
Reid
Not as much progress as I would like, but the 2 guys in the shop have been sick lately.
Thanks to bcheney for stopping by the shop to take these pictures for me.
T.C.
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Thanks to bcheney for stopping by the shop to take these pictures for me.
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The passenger rear fender is back on after all the repairs were done underneath.
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Looks great ,fender on I'd loose th ducktail though.
I'd loose th ducktail though.
that's a carbon-fiber Ducktail I had from a previous Carrera project that I traded to the shop. A ducktail would make a lot of downforce though 
T.C.
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Here are my original GT Recaros -
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the insert fabric will definately not look good against Signal Orange, so I think I'm going with...
Houndstooth
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the insert fabric will definately not look good against Signal Orange, so I think I'm going with...
Houndstooth
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New Addition - a NOS 914-6 Relay Board
I have one from my car, but this was so insanely cheap, I had to get it.
T.C.
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I have one from my car, but this was so insanely cheap, I had to get it.
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QUOTE(carr914 @ Jan 3 2009, 11:14 AM)
Only doing an Engman Kit
T.C.
Have you thought about the Brad Meyeur kit? I've heard that it adds alot more structural rigidity...
I'm doing the Engman as it is really overkill, I have one on another car, and it is already purchased.
I say overkill, in that I've replaced the entire longitudinal from the rear wheel to the front and i also used a clamshell over that. Replaced part of the drivers side long. Replaced the entire floor. Adding the Engman only strengthens all that. The Engman is very well made.
I know Brad, in fact he brokered this car to the owner before me. I have no experience with his kit, nor do I know anybody that has it, so I went with what I know works well.
T.C.
I say overkill, in that I've replaced the entire longitudinal from the rear wheel to the front and i also used a clamshell over that. Replaced part of the drivers side long. Replaced the entire floor. Adding the Engman only strengthens all that. The Engman is very well made.
I know Brad, in fact he brokered this car to the owner before me. I have no experience with his kit, nor do I know anybody that has it, so I went with what I know works well.
T.C.
A Mini-Poll question within a thread:
Since I'm putting so many Real GT Parts on this restoration would Mini-Lites on the rear look out of place?
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A Mini-Poll question within a thread:
Since I'm putting so many Real GT Parts on this restoration would Mini-Lites on the rear look out of place?
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I say go for it!
Seems like you are doing the "period correct" style of restoration/GT upgrade?
If I remember correctly some GT's had the minilites for the same reason the 911 ST did.. Fuch's with that offset/width were not made yet?
I personally think it looks pretty cool...
Firstly, what you've done so far is fantastic! I can't wait to see more. As far as your mini-poll, my humble opinion will always lead to Fuchs as far as wheel choice goes; what a genius piece of design/engineering.
Lastly, a question; didn't the GT's that ran with the Mini-Lites all have widened rear flares? I thought that was why they went with the Mini's in the first place - once the standard flare was widened there were no Fuchs available in the wider size so they put on the Mini-Lites
Lastly, a question; didn't the GT's that ran with the Mini-Lites all have widened rear flares? I thought that was why they went with the Mini's in the first place - once the standard flare was widened there were no Fuchs available in the wider size so they put on the Mini-Lites
Go for it.
QUOTE(carr914 @ Mar 12 2009, 07:49 PM)
A Mini-Poll question within a thread:
Since I'm putting so many Real GT Parts on this restoration would Mini-Lites on the rear look out of place?
MiniLites would look very good and correct!
QUOTE(Derek Seymour @ Mar 12 2009, 05:03 PM)
If I remember correctly some GT's had the minilites for the same reason the 911 ST did.. Fuch's with that offset/width were not made yet?
I didn't know that. I always wondered why vintage photos often showed 914 GT's with Minilites on the rear and Fuchs on the front. Now I see.
That said, I still prefer either all Fuchs or all Minilites.
LOVE the Minilites...espcially if you dial the stance and tires like the yeller' car.
pete
pete
I like little details like minilites on the rear that set the car apart. Any normal person is gonna wonder what you were thinking, but someone that knows what's going on is gonna smile.
It looks like the inner fender lip is non existent on the yellow car above the minlites.
The Mini-Poll is over, it will be Fuchs on all corners. I was hoping to sell a set of my Fuchs & then buy the Minis, but the Fuchs did not sell, so I will RSR finish them.
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Paging Eric Shea, Mr. Shea Please pick up the courtesy phone.
Eric I picked up these Aluminum 911S calipers this morning (rfuerst got a set too)
and I set you an eMail to determine re-build costs
T.C.
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Eric I picked up these Aluminum 911S calipers this morning (rfuerst got a set too)
and I set you an eMail to determine re-build costs
T.C.
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Just got my Factory GT seats back from the upholstry shop 
- Major Porn - these are going to look so kick-ass in a Signal Orange car.
T.C.
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- Major Porn - these are going to look so kick-ass in a Signal Orange car.T.C.
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TC those are Nice !
Looks awesome, love the Houndstooth! Of course, I am bias...
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