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DRPHIL914
and a big thanks to you Bill. Thanks for the referral to Mike!
here is a rear shot-
billh1963
Glad it worked out for you!
Mblizzard
QUOTE(Philip W. @ Jul 8 2018, 04:09 PM) *

does anyone remember what my rear wheel wells and fenders looked like? yes the 7" fuchs will fit no rubbing and these look stock but actually are about 3/4" more room than before- first work replacing the arch was Ed at Tangerine Racing when the did the floors and jack points, and they pounded them out quite a bit , all metal work, they just were not paint ready, Mike finished it all off and i am very pleased with the results!
this is the first 914 Mike has done, although last year there were 4 cars he did that were shown at the Hilton Head Island Concours de'elegance couple MG's etc. i hope to be in the car club jambore which shows off each car clubs pics for the year .


While the previous grey primer had some flare, this is way better.
DRPHIL914
some "flare"? didnt know you were into puns! - but i agree-
while not a full in and out top to bottom restoration, this is now a very nice car, or will be once reassmbled. i think it will show as nice as any 914 out there except for maybe those super nice all original or top upper end full rotisserie restorations, but still very nice- i think if we had finished this during the build off challange it would have been worthy of a top 5 finish.
i wanted a nice clean solid car with no major rust, and in almost perfect mechanical condition, which it is. and now with chrome bumper back dating, all new interior ans a few upgrades here and there( all new lights , signal buckets and lenses, front and rear, all new seals all around, almost al new hardware, there isnt much left. i still want to source some new chrome front window trim, and a few other zinc plated bits from Bruce Stone. The 123ignition distributor should add a touch of dependability and a bit smoother running motor.
I do like my reuppolstered tartan stock seats but would really like to have better side support in the bolsters, so i may eventually get some GTS Classic seats , or at least a drivers side. anyone have a perfect running restored fresh air box/blower??
Shadowfax
Man, that paint looks terrific! Can’t wait to see it put back together. beerchug.gif
DRPHIL914
QUOTE(Shadowfax @ Jul 8 2018, 10:29 PM) *

Man, that paint looks terrific! Can’t wait to see it put back together. beerchug.gif

are you coming to the Okteenerfest?

Mike was like a little kid he could not wait for me to see it, and was like " wait until you see it in the sun! the color is amazing, " etc etc! so cool - he said he had to send the first batch back it was too brown. apparently PPG has a couple different lines or brands they own or sell under, same paint code but very different- this one was perfect right out of the can .
DRPHIL914
door gaps look pretty good!drivers side
DRPHIL914
passenger side
DRPHIL914
30 days to cure so no cover , no wax, just light polish or buff. there are a few spots to buff up- I have to take it back next month for 2 days, there are a few spot to touch up and he didn't fully paint the under side of the targa bar, he missed this actually he thought it was covered like the top- like I said, he has done many cars, many classics, just not a 914, and I stripped most of it down so he didn't know - no biggie, it will get done- that part was still original paint and even the original plugs for the the rack mounts are still there too. in the mean time I can get all the rest of the stuff put back together, motor , etc etc. lights and electrical , get the wiring run for the head temp gauge. , get the front air box rebuilt and installed if I cant find one out there to save me the time- hello, anyone have one?
jmitro
gorgeous!
Shadowfax
QUOTE(Philip W. @ Jul 8 2018, 09:46 PM) *

QUOTE(Shadowfax @ Jul 8 2018, 10:29 PM) *

Man, that paint looks terrific! Can’t wait to see it put back together. beerchug.gif

are you coming to the Okteenerfest?

Mike was like a little kid he could not wait for me to see it, and was like " wait until you see it in the sun! the color is amazing, " etc etc! so cool - he said he had to send the first batch back it was too brown. apparently PPG has a couple different lines or brands they own or sell under, same paint code but very different- this one was perfect right out of the can .

Not gonna make it to Okteenerfest. Wish I could. That color really is pretty stunning.
saigon71
Your car looks awesome Phil!

Keep the pics rolling in....

Chris H.
Did you spend most of the weekend just staring at/admiring the painted shell Phil? Pretty sure that's what I would have done. The base/clear will allow you to shine it up like a mirror.
Mblizzard
This will be the car of the show for sure at Okteenerfest!
DRPHIL914
QUOTE(Mblizzard @ Jul 9 2018, 10:29 AM) *

This will be the car of the show for sure at Okteenerfest!

well, not sure about that but going to do my best - there were some very nice clean cars there last year for sure!
Dion
That looks amazing! Boy that colour will really pop when the bumpers go on and all the
bright trim. first.gif beerchug.gif
DRPHIL914
do i dare put the PORSCHE script on the side again?
yes it was there before this, BUT .... not sure i want to do that....

i have brand new rockers and a set of nice redone ones that Mike painted, then need a sand down and one more coat, i could do either way, even thought about body color rockers but i like the look of the black rockers better.-
then also is the front valance- i have a LE style fiberglass one that was in Jim Hoylands car, but it was damaged in shipping , so i got a very nice stock metal pan that is repaintes black- SO Le was repaired and is in primer if i dont put it on i will resell it, ugh decisions!!
TravisNeff
I would hold off on the side script, you don't wanna hide any of that beautiful paint! I keep coming back to this thread and looking at the headlight cover pic. smile.gif
DRPHIL914
my front valence turned out pretty nice
DRPHIL914
and rear---
DRPHIL914
repainted the rocker panels- these will be for sale-
back sides need to be cleaned up better but have had repair and were sanded professionally primed and painted but one more coat will make
them nice- will post in the classifieds section tonight.
burton73
Car looks very sweet. Door gaps are super.

Very nice car.

Bob B smilie_pokal.gif wub.gif
DRPHIL914
thanks! there were some previous repairs done incorrectly including the door jams and threshholds, bondo was removed, metal was fixed- i had to replace the drivers door, it was repaired with bondo as well, somehow there was a rust free door on the east coast- thanks to Bob Bishoff. saved a ton of time and $$ not having to fix that!
DRPHIL914
how does this look? i just wanted to get a look at it- has to come back off- to put the valance on and figure out how to mount the lights
DRPHIL914
and this looks good, i might want to leave the valance off when its actually mounted, so it still shows, seems a shame to hide it
Mblizzard
QUOTE(Philip W. @ Jul 11 2018, 06:10 PM) *

and this looks good, i might want to leave the valance off when its actually mounted, so it still shows, seems a shame to hide it


That is awesome. But it is going to be too good of a car to leave parts off.
DRPHIL914
QUOTE(Mblizzard @ Jul 12 2018, 07:21 AM) *

QUOTE(Philip W. @ Jul 11 2018, 06:10 PM) *

and this looks good, i might want to leave the valance off when its actually mounted, so it still shows, seems a shame to hide it


That is awesome. But it is going to be too good of a car to leave parts off.

true, and as you see above my rear valance was cleaned up and repainted too so its going back on, and the lower half will stil show since this is not a deep valance-
going with a new windshield too- there goes another $500 smackaroos! as i was discussing with BillH, its hard to put old stuff back on a nice cleaned up car! I thought i had everything but still keep thinking of stuff- you know my interior was nice, but i have brand new german loop carpet going in and now i have to decide if i am going to leave the sport vinyl over fiberglass back pad back in or recover the original back pads. the foam on those is perfext but the vinyl was shot, i have yet another 914rubber order coming ans that will be added to it i guess, then i have a few parts i am getting from AA as the have the new targa trim pieces that URO is making AND i am going to break down ad get the new bumper pads from Rubber as well.

---- my wife is going to slap.gif me! some of this may have to wait a bit
DRPHIL914
i need advice on how to mount the fog lights on the early bumper conversions like this- i have super nice OEM NOS lights to put in- those grills came from 914rubber, and thr bumper came from Noel in CA, it really needs some hammering and a rechrome job, but i have that early one with no bumper guard holes which i lime the look of better but i think i need to keep the bumper guard one on for driving around with-- oh and another question, how. do you attach the fog light grill? 4 holes in corner, what size bolts/screws??
rhodyguy
Skip the tits. Usually it's taps on the rear, not the front. Do the later cars have the dimples in the front fascia where the round fogs mount?
DRPHIL914
QUOTE(rhodyguy @ Jul 12 2018, 09:17 AM) *

Skip the tits. Usually it's taps on the rear, not the front. Do the later cars have the dimples in the front fascia where the round fogs mount?


I think so, if someone can take a picture of their body area under the bumper on an earlier car it would help - so it could be as easy as drilling the mount hole at that location or is there a tab that should be there? on the late ones it mounted directly to the bumper.
rhodyguy
Just holes with nuts welded to the back side. Guys use captured nuts? in the new holes. Riv nuts?
DRPHIL914
where would the spot be ?
Shadowfax
Phil - I’ve got my car apart and will take a pic of the front, specifically the fog light area, for you during my lunch break.

Looks like you and I are dealing with similar repaint issues. I too need a new windshield and saw your other post about buying dealer vs aftermarket. Think I’d better jump on that since there are only 6 left in the U.S.! Am kind of bummed that 914rubber is backordered on the windshield to dash seal as I’d like to replace that too. My targa trim looks decent enough to reuse but I think my windshield trim is too ratty to reuse. Maybe the glass shop can work their magic on it. If not, it’s just money, right?

Pedro
DRPHIL914
QUOTE(Shadowfax @ Jul 12 2018, 11:30 AM) *

Phil - I’ve got my car apart and will take a pic of the front, specifically the fog light area, for you during my lunch break.

Looks like you and I are dealing with similar repaint issues. I too need a new windshield and saw your other post about buying dealer vs aftermarket. Think I’d better jump on that since there are only 6 left in the U.S.! Am kind of bummed that 914rubber is backordered on the windshield to dash seal as I’d like to replace that too. My targa trim looks decent enough to reuse but I think my windshield trim is too ratty to reuse. Maybe the glass shop can work their magic on it. If not, it’s just money, right?

Pedro


I didn't know they were back ordered on that! I have a newer one I put in last year but took it out when I pulled the window, its only a year old so I will just reuse it, its mainly cosmetic and holds down the dash vinyl not really sealing anything otherwise, so you can put your glass in and put that in later if you need to -
I can clean up my window and re-use it , it is a Sekurit , but its old and it has small bubbles in the glass , which is weird. I am going to put this in next weekend if I can get it ordered and have it picked up by the installer that they use. Have to find out what the actual cost is for installation, might be worth having an experienced guy used to working on the classic Porsche models and butyl.

thanks for the help.

Phil
mepstein
Even though they might only have 6 left in the us, when you order from Porsche, shipping from Germany is included so if they need to order more, it might be a bit of a wait but it’s the same cost. They bring in glass all the time so it’s not the last 6 in the world.
Shadowfax
Here you go. Sorry for the bad pics. I’m a terrible photographer :
First one shows driver’s side, next is passenger side and last one shows the captive nut for the fog light bolt. The hole that sits higher and just above one of the body holes is for the horn.

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DRPHIL914
looks like the spot that sticks out slightly is still there even though there are a few differences in the early Vs late panel, but I think I can do a mock up and see if that mounts up and aligns up, - my horn was on the under side on the 75, the mount bold rusted off on the driver side though so I will now mount it under the bumper just like you had on yours, I will just have to drill another hole ugh! wish I had done that when I did the bumper mount holes before the paint was applied.
billh1963
If anyone is wanting a copper car (after seeing Phil's) here's on in Sacramento

https://sacramento.craigslist.org/cto/d/por...6632071001.html
DRPHIL914
QUOTE(billh1963 @ Jul 16 2018, 05:59 AM) *

If anyone is wanting a copper car (after seeing Phil's) here's on in Sacramento

https://sacramento.craigslist.org/cto/d/por...6632071001.html

I had those same wheels , EMPI on my car when I bought it 9 years ago. That car doesn't look too bad, missing the targa trim and the vinyl is lifting up but if the usual rust spots are good you can have a nice start to a rare color car!

One thing I have learned from this is that when you get going you realize that even if there isn't bad rust, 40+ years takes its toll on a lot of parts! My car might not be as complete in the restoration side as some here but I can tell you when you begin to dig in and replace stuff it really adds up. I mean, I really don't want to put back on the car old screws and trim etc etc. a few years ago I pulled all the suspension because when a caliper froze up and the MC went, I snapped a hard line and decisded it was time to sent the calipers, all 4, to Eric Shea, , then while at it I did the 5 lug conversion, the trailing arms went to Tangerine, new bushings and bearings front and rear, sourced new repowder coated front a-arms from Bruce stone with new bushings, and did the steering and turbo tie rod upgrade - etc etc.
People asked me when I took the car to Tangerine for the rust fix of the longs jack ponts and floors why I would drive the car that far(990 miles), but why not?? everything from a safety stand point, suspension brakes bushings from front to rear, hard lines and soft have all been replaced. I will bet you will have a hard time finding a car - I know there are a few, but very few, that are for sale or sold recently that have really had all this stuff replaced in the past 5 years or less. So while my car may not be perfect, and it was not a rotisserie restoration, when I look back and list out everything I have done all the parts that have been replaced, it is an amazingly long list! its been in several different threads, not all in the same one unfortunately. I should have probably done all this to a clean redone tub, but alas that is in the past, and I have a rare color that is a numbers matching car with original engine and transmission! also not as common as one might think. once back together I would not hesitate to drive it across the country if I wanted to.
and much of that stuff is now done I wont have to do it again as long as I own the car. knowing what you have and what you put into it is worth a whole lot.

- say all that because I probably now have about $15k into the project but look whats been done, - here is a car that is for sale for $13k and other than a 5 year old engine refresh, you basically have 40 year old everything else, so I would be a fool to sell mine now at this point. I think about it sometimes, something newer, more hp , etc etc, but then I look back at what ive done and what I have and realize that would be foolish.
IronHillRestorations
Alex Buller and Barbara LaFargue had a copper 75 with a tan interior, which is an awesome combination
DRPHIL914
i agree. mine was the same stock but when i went to do my interior which was the original interior when i bought it, it was so bad, there were no proper tan kits 10 years ago so i changed over to black- i love the cinnimon too but black looks nice.
DRPHIL914
more stuff from Bruce! now i can get my doors put back together , will look and work like new! as luck would have it i won brand new outer door handles from Stoddard 2 years ago at the Okteenerfest! very excited to get at this stuff this weekend! New windshield scheduled to be delivered to Porsche tuesday! i am also getting the full door rebuild kit from 914rubber. door assembly will be interesting, it is nice to be able to put it all back in rust free doors!
DRPHIL914
New window in place, so as another member from Austrailia said of his the OEM Porsche supplied window is Pilkington, who bought out Sigla.
DRPHIL914
so maybe hard to see with reflexions off glass from outside.

so i have to thank Mark Whitesell for having included a few extra trim retaining clips, because in the process of tapping them into place severl broke! There is a amall push pin that sticks out but is supposed to be tapped in after the back side retainer thing is popped into the hole. they dont go in easily, so i found if you pull the small pin out completely tap the clip into place into the hole and then tap the pin in which of course spreads out the thing in the hole and tightens it holding the clip in place. I broke 2 clips in half trying to tap them in place so be careful, and make sure you have a few extr just in case!
DRPHIL914
oh and i pre ordered my butyl from 914rubber , its a good thing i did, because whe had a foam core butyl not solid rope. so we used mine. They only charged me $100 for installation but that also included pick up and delivery of the window from Porsche Hilton Head. $535 for glass, including tax etc and the PCA discount.
now i have to decide if i should get new outer trim or put my original back on.... idea.gif $$$$$
DRPHIL914
its time to get organized ! this is not even everything, i have new carpet kit, etc etc,
there is the LED gauge kit , the new never used outer door handles, all kinds of seals ans gromets and etc, all the heater tube parts, brackets and hinges and targa bar latches all thst black stuff and the zinc plated stuff you see are from Bruce Stone. Fuel line kit feom AA ans vac line kit too. it was overwelming me today and i didnt know quite where to start, so my friend Jim came over and we did the valve clearance then reinstalled the HE and exhaust. First time i did that myself. having someone with experience is helpful. i had 3 resources, my Tech Tips, the Haynes manual and Pelican parts tech article- this was so much easier with motor out and the HE stuff not in the way. ended up doing the pelican and Capt. Crusty’s way, pretty fast and easy.
After that i pulled out the old plastic lines, and installed the stainless -that job is not done due to the small lines not lining up with the late car clips, i am still waiting dor someone that has done this to post a pic or comment on how to get them in correct position confused24.gif , still fairly productive day .


i had stuff in 8 different bins , and as i would order parts i tried to keep it together but i have extras from ordering stuff i forgot i had already.
DRPHIL914
lots of stuff ! the shiney new looking turn signal buckes are from Brad at 914ltd
DRPHIL914
i have a few needs yet-
1. i found a beautiful NOS Hela side marker assembly, and as nice as my repro 914rubber ones are, i would like to source another side marker lense to go with it .

DRPHIL914
fog lights mounted today- had to do something today! had to locate where to place the mount, easy to do by mocking it up and making sure light is in the proper position and angle. i also had to modify the wiring due to the ‘75 ones usually were self grounding to the bumper. So wired, mounted and aligned. next up i have to mount the new Hela double horns. i am trying to decide if i ahould put them behind bumper sa the earlier cars had it or under where they were before with the bub’s.
DRPHIL914
also mounted the wiper mechanisms and the squirters.

Tomorrow my goal is to install the eye lids and lashes , then the side markers ans the flashers , fresh air box, hoses etc and then new gas lines, fuel filter and the tank.
If i can get that all done tomorrow, and the rear tail lights and rear bumper the next day, then i should be able to knock out the interior on friday , which i have off.

i need new front window trim!
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