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DRPHIL914
in the morning i will check the power at the pump, then if there is not, i will go back to relay board.
When i started to get car ready for paint, it was running good but i noticed that the pump was becoming more noisy, so maybe a year of sitting did it in. i am hoping it is that easy. Tomorrow could be a long day!
#1. figure out fuel pump
#2. trouble shoot right rear tail light, left front euro conversion driving light is not working, but lights pop up all other lights seem to work.

its hard to tell what could be the issue when there are so many things i worked on- new alternator and harness, all new fuel lines, fuel filter etc but i didnt change out the pump, or relay board, and the dash and fuse box is exactly how it was before.

i have not yet wired the aux oil cooler fan, and it can wait.
a few more pics from work today

sail panel trim in!
DRPHIL914
hm spent all day working on the sail panel trim installation and redoing the right sail vinyl, shiuld havw been doing the fuel pump . might not run but it looks good!
DRPHIL914
ok so i need a hand- i have no power to the fuel pump, but lights work, car cranks wirh new battery- i switched out relays, didnt help,
so i am going to try a different relay board- does the power go to pump from the 14 pin socket? - guys my electrical understanding is very basic i am not going to read a-schematic but if i see a picture of which pin is which i can trouble shoot- i looked and the step by step by jeff Bowlsby but thst is worthless. with out a diagram of which pin is what bla bla like a code with out a cypher
914_7T3
QUOTE(DRPHIL914 @ Sep 11 2018, 07:22 PM) *

hm spent all day working on the sail panel trim installation and redoing the right sail vinyl, shiuld havw been doing the fuel pump . might not run but it looks good!



Looks sooooooooooooooooooooooooo Good! Hopefully you can get the fuel pump sorted quickly!

bbrock
I don't have a '75 schematic, but on a '73, it looks like power comes in at pin 14 to the relay board, then through the 25A fuse, then to pin 30 on the pump relay. Covering simple things, did you check the fuse? That is the circuit to power the pump. It looks like jumping between pin 13 and 14 should send power directly to your pump, bypassing the relay.

To energize the pump relay, it looks like the power supply relay also has to be energized so both relays need to be in place and working. It looks like that relay is getting power on the black wire on pin 8 of the 14-pin connector and grounding through pin 10.

Both of those relays require a ground through the ECU so that could be another demon to chase.
DRPHIL914
i tried a different relay board and still no power to the pump-

no one other strange thing - there is a black wire up above that is just haning there, and it is hot, has 12v constant with and with out key turned i have no idea what its for , it is out of the harness by where the antenna wire comes thru and the main harness- again its hot weird,
DRPHIL914
i could use it as a powet source for my fuel pump
DRPHIL914
QUOTE(bbrock @ Sep 12 2018, 01:07 PM) *

I don't have a '75 schematic, but on a '73, it looks like power comes in at pin 14 to the relay board, then through the 25A fuse, then to pin 30 on the pump relay. Covering simple things, did you check the fuse? That is the circuit to power the pump. It looks like jumping between pin 13 and 14 should send power directly to your pump, bypassing the relay.

To energize the pump relay, it looks like the power supply relay also has to be energized so both relays need to be in place and working. It looks like that relay is getting power on the black wire on pin 8 of the 14-pin connector and grounding through pin 10.

Both of those relays require a ground through the ECU so that could be another demon to chase.



all thats great but i dont have a picture of where the. “14” pin is etc so i am not able to do thst with out a picture showing me which one is which
I think if i find thst i can get that figured out maybe
Mblizzard
QUOTE(DRPHIL914 @ Sep 12 2018, 09:17 AM) *

i could use it as a powet source for my fuel pump


I say get some power to the pump and make sure it runs!

Bottom line is that with all of the work done you could have broken a wire anywhere along the harness.

Worse comes to worse after confirming the pump and car runs, you can just run a temporary wire from a switched power point on the fuse block as a short term fix.

Shadowfax
Lookin' good, Phil! Have you bypassed the seat belt interlock relay under the passenger seat? Might be worth a try.

Also, is that your E39 in the background? I have an '03 530i 5-speed with 107K on it. Love that car!
bbrock
QUOTE(DRPHIL914 @ Sep 12 2018, 11:19 AM) *

QUOTE(bbrock @ Sep 12 2018, 01:07 PM) *

I don't have a '75 schematic, but on a '73, it looks like power comes in at pin 14 to the relay board, then through the 25A fuse, then to pin 30 on the pump relay. Covering simple things, did you check the fuse? That is the circuit to power the pump. It looks like jumping between pin 13 and 14 should send power directly to your pump, bypassing the relay.

To energize the pump relay, it looks like the power supply relay also has to be energized so both relays need to be in place and working. It looks like that relay is getting power on the black wire on pin 8 of the 14-pin connector and grounding through pin 10.

Both of those relays require a ground through the ECU so that could be another demon to chase.



all thats great but i dont have a picture of where the. “14” pin is etc so i am not able to do thst with out a picture showing me which one is which
I think if i find thst i can get that figured out maybe


Again, all I have is the '73 schematic. but here's a pic of where the relay board stuff goes. Agree with just getting power to the pump to make sure it runs, either jumping 13 and 14 at the board, or using that mystery wire. Also a good point about safety features on late models that I know nothing about.

Click to view attachment
DRPHIL914
QUOTE(Shadowfax @ Sep 12 2018, 01:23 PM) *

Lookin' good, Phil! Have you bypassed the seat belt interlock relay under the passenger seat? Might be worth a try.

Also, is that your E39 in the background? I have an '03 530i 5-speed with 107K on it. Love that car!


Yes the BMW is a 528i- 2000, with 280k miles!! awesome car , gave it to my daughter, with new throttle body and accel cable, new fuel pump it runs like a new car, one of the best cars i have ever owned-

so i can recheck under the passenger seat, i didnt mess wirh it , it had been bypassed before the body and paint work- so maybe that is where the issue is.
i will go out and get a picture of the wiring under there-
DRPHIL914
QUOTE(Shadowfax @ Sep 12 2018, 01:23 PM) *

Lookin' good, Phil! Have you bypassed the seat belt interlock relay under the passenger seat? Might be worth a try.

Also, is that your E39 in the background? I have an '03 530i 5-speed with 107K on it. Love that car!

does this look right, should the brown wire shown here with a white stripe be loose?
Shadowfax
Should look like the pic in Post #10 here.

I’d like to give the 5er to my daughter when she’s old enough to drive but she said she doesn’t want a manual. Crazy!
DRPHIL914
ok , spent a couple hours going thru the whole FI fuel pump trouble shooting guide from
Jeff Bowlsby, which checked out all connections to fi harness battery switched and unswitched etc,
lead us back to the pump- once we verified there wasnt continuity at the ground we connected a wire to a different place on body to give a different ground, i got the V to test for 1.5 sec, and pump primed- but i will not have time to fix that right tomorrow, and with the storm possibly coming this way not sure i will leave here tomorrow- if i do it will most likely be with out the 914. sad.gif

DRPHIL914
update: she’s alive!! no time to shake out bugs but she is on the trailer and i am leaving in 10 minutes!!! 6 hour drive- see you tonight!
914_7T3
QUOTE(DRPHIL914 @ Sep 13 2018, 09:51 AM) *

update: she’s alive!! no time to shake out bugs but she is on the trailer and i am leaving in 10 minutes!!! 6 hour drive- see you tonight!




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Way to Go Phil!!! Hopefully all will be good. enjoy your weekend!


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bbrock
first.gif smilie_pokal.gif smilie_pokal.gif monkeydance.gif!!!!

I was really bummed when I read you might not be taking the 914 after the heroic effort. You deserve an award for this!
DRPHIL914
QUOTE(bbrock @ Sep 13 2018, 02:41 PM) *

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I was really bummed when I read you might not be taking the 914 after the heroic effort. You deserve an award for this!

thank you for the help it was an interesting learning experience working through all the contacts and all the instructions on troubleshooting from Jeff Bolsbys site in the end most obvious thing most simple thing what it ended up being which was the ground of the pump itself which I should’ve checked first before going through everything else but now I know I have a good really board with good relays and harness harness thanks for posting the schematic I look forward to seeing everyone. I don’t know about that award other than maybe just being the most stubborn which I guess is a trait that can be positive and someways. I still have some work I’d like to get done when I get there like install my radio and my firewall backpack came delivered today right before I left to see if 914 rubber,
DRPHIL914
Small update- after getting pump to work andgetting car packed on trailer i was off to Helen Ga for the Okteenerfest- I almost gave up! thanks all for the encouragement! and thanks for all the super comments on the car while there at the weekend and show. The ultimate was being voted 1st place in our car show in the “custom” class!! this means more to me than a peoples choice at a local show or c and c , because it came from our community, other 914 owners who know and can truely appreciate the time and effort that goes into a rebuild and reassembly!! as nice as the car looks in the pictures its better in person, well mostly , it does have a few flaws,m. but i cant take credit for all that, i have to acknowledge Mike Branch, the man who stripped the old paint off and cleaned up the rest od the rust and smoothed out the rear fenders, and repainted the car. My car would not be on the road and be rust free and straight with out the work of Tangerine Racing, so thank you Ed and Chris for all the work you did 2 years ago on the fenders floors and longs!.
Also parts for so many things but every part that has a zinc plating or powder coated came from or thru Bruce Stone. All my Brake stuff , PMB of course!
Many many many parts from 914rubber.com, thank you Mark and Matt! even then day i left for the trip i had parts that came in from them. some time i will make a full and complete list. Also many hard to find parts ii was able to source from Auto Atlanta. And Mark Herd(914sixer) supplied me with some nice NOS CV parts and my period correct radio and other bits like nos VR! But i cant leave out Restoration Design! all my new replacement parts, floors jack points in the longs etc etc are from them!
And Bob Bishoff(Bigkat 73) supplied me wirh a rust free driver door and front valance, and set of partly restored outer rocker panels, thanks Bob!
And there are another half dozen or more other guys who sent me parts that were needed. almost all of it came from members ans member vendors. So glad it all came together finally, and i could not have done it with out all of you! Advice of how to or not to do things wow, its all right here! I am not completely done, i havs some stuff to clean up and finish to have it ready in November for the Hilton Jead Concours DelegNce car club showcase, so i am sure to have more issues more pictures, etc -
I hope someone can post some pictures from the car show saturday, i knly took a coupe of my own car! so here is to you World! Ein Prosit !:first: beerchug.gif
AZBanks
Congrats!!! Well Deserved!
DRPHIL914
I guess I still have some stuff to do here and to really finish her up. I was rushed to get it on the road and on trailer to Okteenerfest and was good enough to go on the drive Friday, but really with high idle and not having time to really set proper timing and sort that out along with the aux oil cooler fan not being hooked up , I didn't really get to drive much. I spent more time prepping for the show on Saturday and fixing some wiring issues. Now that I am back I would like to finish up a punch list of things to be able to do a couple local shows and also Nov 3-4 the HHI Concours has a car club showcase, where 10 vehicles from each club are selected for display on the fairway on Saturday, and I have been selected to do this!! excited but I really want to make sure its ready. - I also want to get my 123ignition distributor in place as well.

I have some adjustments to the alignment of the rear trunk, and the drivers door so that it will close with better alignment. Also I need to get my new/Old Blaupunk radio installed correctly, so sourcing a proper trim plate etc is my next goal.

Is there any suggestions from those that saw the car last week? I have a new 914 badging to put on it, as seen at the awards banquet, it came from Pete at RD!
I also have brand new adonized thresholds that are silver and would love to trade them for Black adonized if anyone is interested!, So as I progress and make some changes and clean things up I will continue to upate progress!!

Thanks for all the help, but not done yet! - Man that was a crazy 6 weeks!!!!!
DRPHIL914
i have not posted in a while, but will be back at doing some clean up and getting ready for a couple of car shows here and the HHI Concours Nov 3-4.

One big thing is after motor has been back in car for a month + now , no leaks!!! no push rod tube leaks !! nice to not be dripping on garage floor anymore.

Items to sort out - I have a squeak I believe is the darn throw out bearing.
- Brake lights quit working, bulbs are find, this needs to be sorted
- redoing the right side sail panel vinyl,
- installing my remanufactured radio from 914sixer this week, I will need some information about the wiring, it was badly hacked by someone who put in an alpine unit back in the 90's. that radio failed and I wanted period correct, so if anyone knows what the different wires are? - yellow, red and black is what I see, other than the speaker wires that I can trace and figure out n my own. I will start a different trhread for that issue tonight.

otherwise I finally got the timing and idle issue figured out, but I get a bit of a miss here and there and I think its the fi triggers or the distributor. I will try the 123ignition one this weekend and see how that runs. Also I have a slight whining sound that I think is coming from the front alternator/belt area, and both are brand new so not sure whats causing that, but the 75 amp is charging good so I wll leav ethis alone for now.

I also want to adjust the front ride height slightly , down about 1" so I don't know but I will probably have to do an alignment on this after I make that adjustment.

and I wired up my oil cooler fan but it doesn't work so either the fan has failed or I have the thermostat wired up wrong, .

Like I said , nothing major but stuff you would like to have sorted. Cosmetically car is almost perfect. But I need brake lights!!!!
DRPHIL914
radio installed! and working. i tell you it has better sound than the much newer alpine i took out!
Thanks to Mark Herd(914sixer) for the radio and Perry Kiehl(ironhillrestorations) for the mounting kit!. now if i could figure out how to connect the speaker in the center console that would be nice. there are only 2 channels outging, right and left, so i am not sure how you would tap into those to add the center speaker
DRPHIL914
+ Brake light fixed!- bad switch replaced,
+ radio installation completed,
- still working on aux oil cooler fan wiring, might need new rheostat control,

should be working some polishing up and cleaning, detailing. Cars and coffee this Saturday, only 2 weeks until Concour in HHI. But next Saturday is the classic speed racing across river from Savannah at Hutchinsin Island, PCA has corral parking so I plan on hanging out there most of the day! should be fun, Any one know of a914 or 914's racing this year?

Phil
DRPHIL914
Took the car to the Hilton Head Island Concours last weekend , just the Saturday Showcase. Lots of attention indeed! I was able to finish up everything I needed to do except a few minor things. I wanted the engine compartment to look clean and neat so I left the aux heater fan out, no tubes hooked up, but I did get the wiring done for the headed seat inserts since the flapper boxes cables were not connected and it was 48 degrees Saturday morning on the way to get set up. Had a great time, enjoyed fielding questions about the car. Some very experienced Porsche rebuilders and restorers at the show including the R/M southerby's rep , most had never seen a Copper Metallic car before!
#1 Question was:; What color is that, and along with that then, was this the original color?
#2 question was, is that a Fiat?
#2 real question was : Is that a 6?? ( due to the 5 lug Fuchs and early front chrome bumper I think
#3 question was: What is an RS?

I was next to a very nice early 911, RGROUPPE Car, owned by Vic Rola our PCA Zone Rep. he gave me lots of great advice about showing the car and bringing it to the next show and having it judged. Not much I can do except clean up some overspray on the rear control arms etc. But of course I have to show it it a "Street Custom" class due to its not original, and its modified. so its not ''Preservation". But I don't really care about that. I did care enough to put original period correct dash, radio, trim, sail trim, etc etc in the car. Its all Porsche. but of course the 5 lug is not correct for a 75 and neither are the bumpers. I also have the Euro spec light lenses front and rear. -- but so did the 914/6 that was showing on Sunday! Owner didn't have a clue about that not being correct.

Next up is to decide if I can get the car to the SHADES presentation at PCNA with 000 Mag in 2 weeks in Atlanta(if accepted that is) I will probably go if they do accept it, I have a seminar for 12 hours that day uptown so will see how it works logistically.

Then a few local shows in December,

I still need to re do the sail panel vinyl, and a few touches here at there.
I installed the 123ignition distributor and its running better than ever, AND still no leaks from push rod tubes or anywhere else, so it looks like I finally got it right this time, thanks for the new seals Mark!(McMark). @McMark

looking for some pictures from the show, I will post them when I can get ahold of some, I neglected to take pictures ofmy own car!- phone died
DRPHIL914
Thought I would add a few updates photos to my build thread, been a while but last year after Okteenerfest I took car to Atlanta for Rare Shades 2 at PCNA headquarters
DRPHIL914
And went to Amelia Island , went to the Porsche-only gathering the day before,
DRPHIL914
New window cranks
DRPHIL914
NEw gauges- LED’s from TimothyND
DRPHIL914
How many gallons of water will a 914 frunk hold?
DRPHIL914
Local cars and coffee keeping company with a cousin
DRPHIL914
Rear trunk cleaned up nice , rewrapped
Wire harness
DRPHIL914
Original trunk carpet
Still looks like
New-
One thing I didn’t have to replace and you can’t find replacement or NOS.
DRPHIL914
Clean underside, love my Triad exhaust, and still not one drip from the push rod tubes or anywhere after one year! Yes there is oil in there- they say if the 914 is not dripping oil it must be out, but not so in this case!
DRPHIL914
In backdating exhaust it was not easy to find all the proper tin in good condition, but World is awesome!
DRPHIL914
Love the Euro signals- funny but cars now in US have amber signals but not back in ‘75
DRPHIL914
Thanks to Bruce stone all
my metal bits even door lock mechanism and strike plates
are like new, zinc plated
DRPHIL914
Love my 914rubber.com seat covers, carpets, dash top, etc etc- too much to list
DRPHIL914
Just a few more- I was asked recently why I didn’t have more pictures of the car posted
So I figure this would be the best place to document the mostly finished product
DRPHIL914
Love the copper metallic in sunlight!
DRPHIL914
I still like the looks of new black sail panels, with new OEM trim of course!
DRPHIL914
I am glad I decided to back date these bumpers, but the BUB’s really didn’t look bad, but mine live on , on Gatornapper’s car!
ValcoOscar
QUOTE(DRPHIL914 @ Aug 23 2019, 08:34 PM) *

Love the copper metallic in sunlight!



This is my favorite picture of your beautiful car. first.gif

Oscar
tygaboy
Wow, beautiful! You must (and should be!) very proud of your results. Thanks for the pics.
Gatornapper
Now, Phil.......I need to check with you.....if, in a few years, I decide to do what you did, and back-date my bumpers - will you be upset????? biggrin.gif biggrin.gif biggrin.gif

If I do, I promise to pass them on for free just like you did for me!

But yours are so nice, I probably will let them live on on my car as long as she's running..... sunglasses.gif

GN

QUOTE(DRPHIL914 @ Aug 23 2019, 09:40 PM) *

I am glad I decided to back date these bumpers, but the BUB’s really didn’t look bad, but mine live on , on Gatornapper’s car!

DRPHIL914
Well if you do decide to back date at some point you can pass them on or sell them if you want they are yours, and mint late bumpers may end up being fairly rare and value could climb as it gets jarred to find them. But consider a few things before backdating-
*expense- going to cost a couple grad to do it right
*fog light mounting - is different so no you hav etc d those holes tat were it there, early cars have welded but on other side so you can just stew in the bold for mounting the lights
*on rear our later cars don’t have the tow hook mount, I didn’t know about that so I didn’t have it welded on while the body work was being done , and also the center rear bumper topper supports have to be added we don’t have those either. At some point my bumpers will come back off, those things will be added properly but right now I can’t crew in a rear tow hook loop due to the missing mount and I don’t have the support brackets in middle back that helps hold up the small thin center part of the bumper topper.

I got a great deal on an early perfect front bumper from a local 911 Restoration guy that bought a hoard of parts in a shipping container- I believe that it came from VA, and in there was some 914 stuff he didn’t want, and he sold me cheap most of the 914 stuff, like my interior door panels, they are mint, and the chrome bumpers. One was sent for new triple plating chrome, but no repair was necessary.
That was a stroke of luck.

Also I’ve had issues with getting my sail panel vinyl on right, it if at first you don’t succeed try try again! If I get time in the next 2 weeks it’s going to come off and be reapplied but will see if I get time with moving next weekend.
For now keep the BUB’s they look good- I will send the rear one soon, maybe this week so I don’t have to move it- if you don’t wNt the steel bumper frame it will probably be scrappas I won’t have room to store it.

Phil

QUOTE(Gatornapper @ Aug 24 2019, 10:10 PM) *

Now, Phil.......I need to check with you.....if, in a few years, I decide to do what you did, and back-date my bumpers - will you be upset????? biggrin.gif biggrin.gif biggrin.gif

If I do, I promise to pass them on for free just like you did for me!

But yours are so nice, I probably will let them live on on my car as long as she's running..... sunglasses.gif

GN

QUOTE(DRPHIL914 @ Aug 23 2019, 09:40 PM) *

I am glad I decided to back date these bumpers, but the BUB’s really didn’t look bad, but mine live on , on Gatornapper’s car!


Cairo94507
DrPhil914 - You car is beautiful. I love the color and backdating the bumpers makes a hug difference in the look. Great job. first.gif beerchug.gif
Gatornapper
Phil -

Thank you. All the reasons I probably will never back-date mine.

Yes - your 914 is absolutely one of the most beautiful ones I've ever seen. I don't have plans or the funds to take mine anywhere close to yours - so I'll enjoy yours from a distance.

Kudos on a superb car.

Took mine to local C&C yesterday. I was early, so I framed it properly: parked it next to a new Porsche GT3, 2- McLaren F-1's, and a Ford GT. Your car would have fit right next to them a whole lot better than mine!

A hundred cars there I think, and surprised at all the interest in my old 914, as raggedy as it is....the only one there.

GN

QUOTE(DRPHIL914 @ Aug 25 2019, 05:14 AM) *

Well if you do decide to back date at some point you can pass them on or sell them if you want they are yours, and mint late bumpers may end up being fairly rare and value could climb as it gets jarred to find them. But consider a few things before backdating-
*expense- going to cost a couple grad to do it right
*fog light mounting - is different so no you hav etc d those holes tat were it there, early cars have welded but on other side so you can just stew in the bold for mounting the lights
*on rear our later cars don’t have the tow hook mount, I didn’t know about that so I didn’t have it welded on while the body work was being done , and also the center rear bumper topper supports have to be added we don’t have those either. At some point my bumpers will come back off, those things will be added properly but right now I can’t crew in a rear tow hook loop due to the missing mount and I don’t have the support brackets in middle back that helps hold up the small thin center part of the bumper topper.

I got a great deal on an early perfect front bumper from a local 911 Restoration guy that bought a hoard of parts in a shipping container- I believe that it came from VA, and in there was some 914 stuff he didn’t want, and he sold me cheap most of the 914 stuff, like my interior door panels, they are mint, and the chrome bumpers. One was sent for new triple plating chrome, but no repair was necessary.
That was a stroke of luck.

Also I’ve had issues with getting my sail panel vinyl on right, it if at first you don’t succeed try try again! If I get time in the next 2 weeks it’s going to come off and be reapplied but will see if I get time with moving next weekend.
For now keep the BUB’s they look good- I will send the rear one soon, maybe this week so I don’t have to move it- if you don’t wNt the steel bumper frame it will probably be scrappas I won’t have room to store it.

Phil

QUOTE(Gatornapper @ Aug 24 2019, 10:10 PM) *

Now, Phil.......I need to check with you.....if, in a few years, I decide to do what you did, and back-date my bumpers - will you be upset????? biggrin.gif biggrin.gif biggrin.gif

If I do, I promise to pass them on for free just like you did for me!

But yours are so nice, I probably will let them live on on my car as long as she's running..... sunglasses.gif

GN

QUOTE(DRPHIL914 @ Aug 23 2019, 09:40 PM) *

I am glad I decided to back date these bumpers, but the BUB’s really didn’t look bad, but mine live on , on Gatornapper’s car!



mepstein
I went to one C & C in my stock 1.7. It got as much interest as any of the supercars there. People kept on coming up to me to tell me about there dad's 914 or one they had in college. A girl walked by and said "I like your car". Both me and the Ferrari owner parked next to me turned around and she was pointing to my car.

QUOTE(Gatornapper @ Aug 25 2019, 08:43 AM) *

Phil -

Thank you. All the reasons I probably will never back-date mine.

Yes - your 914 is absolutely one of the most beautiful ones I've ever seen. I don't have plans or the funds to take mine anywhere close to yours - so I'll enjoy yours from a distance.

Kudos on a superb car.

Took mine to local C&C yesterday. I was early, so I framed it properly: parked it next to a new Porsche GT3, 2- McLaren F-1's, and a Ford GT. Your car would have fit right next to them a whole lot better than mine!

A hundred cars there I think, and surprised at all the interest in my old 914, as raggedy as it is....the only one there.

GN

QUOTE(DRPHIL914 @ Aug 25 2019, 05:14 AM) *

Well if you do decide to back date at some point you can pass them on or sell them if you want they are yours, and mint late bumpers may end up being fairly rare and value could climb as it gets jarred to find them. But consider a few things before backdating-
*expense- going to cost a couple grad to do it right
*fog light mounting - is different so no you hav etc d those holes tat were it there, early cars have welded but on other side so you can just stew in the bold for mounting the lights
*on rear our later cars don’t have the tow hook mount, I didn’t know about that so I didn’t have it welded on while the body work was being done , and also the center rear bumper topper supports have to be added we don’t have those either. At some point my bumpers will come back off, those things will be added properly but right now I can’t crew in a rear tow hook loop due to the missing mount and I don’t have the support brackets in middle back that helps hold up the small thin center part of the bumper topper.

I got a great deal on an early perfect front bumper from a local 911 Restoration guy that bought a hoard of parts in a shipping container- I believe that it came from VA, and in there was some 914 stuff he didn’t want, and he sold me cheap most of the 914 stuff, like my interior door panels, they are mint, and the chrome bumpers. One was sent for new triple plating chrome, but no repair was necessary.
That was a stroke of luck.

Also I’ve had issues with getting my sail panel vinyl on right, it if at first you don’t succeed try try again! If I get time in the next 2 weeks it’s going to come off and be reapplied but will see if I get time with moving next weekend.
For now keep the BUB’s they look good- I will send the rear one soon, maybe this week so I don’t have to move it- if you don’t wNt the steel bumper frame it will probably be scrappas I won’t have room to store it.

Phil

QUOTE(Gatornapper @ Aug 24 2019, 10:10 PM) *

Now, Phil.......I need to check with you.....if, in a few years, I decide to do what you did, and back-date my bumpers - will you be upset????? biggrin.gif biggrin.gif biggrin.gif

If I do, I promise to pass them on for free just like you did for me!

But yours are so nice, I probably will let them live on on my car as long as she's running..... sunglasses.gif

GN

QUOTE(DRPHIL914 @ Aug 23 2019, 09:40 PM) *

I am glad I decided to back date these bumpers, but the BUB’s really didn’t look bad, but mine live on , on Gatornapper’s car!




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