Just saw the spy photos from the OC! The car is on the ground, finished for now!

Some more pics!

This last one is so sexy I'm a little out of breath!

Rob,

What size and make tires on the rear? They fit the rims perfect.

I forget the size but they are Hoosier A6's... Nice thing is I avoid shipping charges because Tire Rack is just 20 miles out of town to my East on I80...

I may be able to space the front wheels out a bit. Maybe not. They do have to turn and not contact the fender flare...

Rears are 225-60-16, IIRC. I might have the aspect ratio wrong.

The front could probably use a 1/2" spacer. I have two 5mm spacers at the shop we can play with on Sat. If you want.

Pretty sure they are 50 or 55 aspect ratio. I definitely want to move the track out a bit if we can. Not so much that I contact inner fenders or outer fenders...

Anyone - and I mean ANYONE have any doubts who should install their fender flares on the West side of the country?

I have 1" spacers in the front.

This *may* be in my future as well... I'll need the extra rubber back there due to the beast Mark is building :-)

If you go back a few pages you find the video of my car after the new powerplant. Prior to this motor, the car was a frisky 'momentum' car. I barely ever used the brakes except to set the suspension for a corner and I just kept my foot in it all the time. On good R rated rubber I was barely able to control the car and I will have to relearn everything about driving it. The GT flares and big tires will help a lot. In fact, it may go back to being a 'momentum' car...
I can't wait to take it to Thunderhill for a track-day!

Rob Looks Great... finally some real pics of your car

Thanks Jeff. Coming from you that is high praise indeed. I have always admired your cars and your work. I'm very glad you helped with the engine...

Oh, and notice there are no garbage cans Bovey...

It looks like it could use about an inch doesn't it?

That's what I thought too... Until I put spacers on and drove it. It looked great! But... It changes the scrub radius quite a bit. The car did not handle as well and was much harder to steer. Make sure you drive it hard after you try the spacers. You will feel a dirrerence.

You are bubbling all over yourself Rob, and for good reason - she's turning into one amazing car. I think you should drive it to WCR. Freakin' trailer queen. j/k Congrats!

BTW, I think I have a pair of 3/4" spacers if you want to try them. Good ones, not the crappy type.

Here's mine. I'll pull this photo out later as not to dirty up your thread. I have 16" X8" fronts with 1" Spacers and 16" X9"s on the rear with like 1/4" spacers.

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Mike, bring them to WCR.

WIll do...

Wow! My fronts are 16X7 as they came from Fuch Wheels. My rears are custom built 16X8.5 wheels made with 4 16X6 Fuch wheels. Harvey says he can chop off the backs of the front wheels and widen them as well without even disturbing the finish on the front of the wheels.

You don't have to remove your pics Rick. I am proud as heck to have the Alien in the same thread as my car... You class up the joint.

But the real question is; What time will we be seeing you next week and is Sandy coming with?

If you're planning to AX that thing do not put spacers on the fronts.
Your 7 inch wheels have increased the positive scrub radius by 3/4".
A 1" spacer would put it up to 1-3/4". You won't like that on tight corners.
There are limitations to the 914 suspensions.....that's one of them.

Increasing the backspacing by more than 1/2" on your front wheels is another.
Welcome to "the box".

Interesting day with the "Fat Girl" at the PCA - SVR autocross. Mark and I were both pretty close to FTD on street tires, I may have gotten it in raw time but I think I caught a cone with my left rear in the slalom portion of the course. We both should have gotten 8 runs for a total of 16 on the day. Between the two of us, we got 5. Mark got 3 and I got 2... The fuel pump took a crap... It would get hot and just quit...

Yuk... Lot's of driving for 1:24+ seconds of driving

Yeah, disappointing, but the car otherwise ran great and handled AWESOME!

New pump on the way.

I had the same problem on a Worblo (sp) style pump. Turns out the pump expands and the mounting clamps do not. CLamps would jam the pump until it cooled. I moved the clamps the the edges of the pump. problem went away

I know huh? I kept having to tell myself to go faster 'cause I could and I wasn't! I bet I could have picked up another 2 seconds and gotten down to 40 or lower...

Ya Rob that was a bummer. First time out with the BIG tire.

Here's a picture from his first run

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And the second

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Don't worry you'll be ready to give em hell next time.

Jeff

Oh, BTW... These FTD on Street Tire runs were done with the EFI in your basic 'limp mode'... Mark discovered before his runs that the tuning had scrambled, maybe because of an electrical problem as we also had a blown fuse. We ran the day on closed loop O2 sensor only which is basically an economy mode... Still ran the pants off of it! Great engine!!!

We're back in business!

ahhh, the famous dual nippled, dual post Pepsi can. Very rare indeed!

Don't be silly Brett. That's for the WCR beer bong.

You west coast guys have all the fun.

Whatever are you talking about?? oh, by the way, the weather for WCR this year

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66?!?!? That going to be freezing!

Might want to tell the body shop to match the paint better next time!

Amazing Job Mark! Car is looking great Rob!!

Can't wait to see it all squirted and shiney.

Explain to me the downsides of the wheel spacers on the front because this is my exact setup and I definitely know they are there, 7" wheels with a 1" spacer. Would this cause more understeer?

Well the Sunday results are in. I was second overall, FTD on Street Tires which is a major accomplishment considering in third place just 3 tenths of a second behind my time was a 911 Turbo. Mark was just a fraction of a second back as well but somehow let a few cars squeeze into the gap between my own time and his.
I am astounded by the car's performance. Remember, we got only 5 runs between the two of us. Mark got three, I got two... The usual winner at SVR events prevailed once again. Our own Steve Neislony in the 21X car. As the eventmaster put it, it was probably the hottest day we've ever had at Mather. Steve uses slicks and when he can get them hot, he puts a lot of time between us. Sunday was no different. Almost 4 seconds up on me... Granted, had we had 8 runs like everyone else we would have whittled that down a bit but it is hard to beat slicks and even harder on a hot day.

Steve Nieslony SVR 1972 914 2.0 Blue & White AX4 38.400 2 Rob Sime SNR 1975 914 Diamond Silver AX12 42.191
3 Collin Fat SVR 2003 Turbo Midnight Blue AX5 42.410 4 Bob Peake SVR 1997 993 Ocean Blue AX10 42.522
5 Grady Carter GGR 2002 Boxster S Black AX11 42.776 6 Howard Thomas DIA 2002 Boxster Guards Red AX11 42.796
7 David Borden SVR 2002 Corvette Z06 Red FUN 42.881 8 Mark DeBernardi RR 1975 914 Diamond Silver FUN 42.925
9 Lisa Thomas SVR 1975 914 Red FUN 43.142 10 E.J. Fontaine SVR 2007 997 Red AX7 43.258
11 Susan Fontaine SVR 2007 997 Red AX7 43.308 12 Robert Smith SVR 2010 GT 3 Black FUN 43.435
13 David Schnitzer SVR 2003 911 Red FUN 43.484 14 Tosh Yumae GGR 1997 993 Black AX10 43.571
15 Logan Stonebraker
1999 911 Silver FUN 43.719 16 Tony Wong RR 2011 M3 White FUN 43.993
17 Greg Zajic BMW 2000 M Roadster Blue FUN 44.107 18 Weyland Fat SVR 2008 997 C4S Black FUN 44.340
19 Tim Howard SVR 2005 Carrera Silver AX9 44.664 20 John Kessler SVR 2001 Boxster S Silver AX10 44.847
21 Thomas Seivert
2006 Elise Orange FUN 45.222 22 Mary Borden SVR 2001 Carrera Silver FUN 45.264
23 Thomas Cowles SVR 1996 993 Article silver FUN 45.422 24 Norman Siegenthaler BMW 2011 335d White FUN 45.433
25 Don Stockett SVR 2007 C4S Cab Red FUN 45.478 26 Johnny Ho
2006 350z Black FUN 45.894
27 Matt Deter SVR 1995 993 Polar Silver FUN 45.983 28 Joseph Yau
2008 GTI Gray FUN 46.161
29 Jim Rozak SVR 1990 964 C4 Silver FUN 46.194
30 Ed Busuttil SVR 1987 Carrera Guards Red FUN 46.749
31 Darrell Mott ggr 2006 Cayman S Red AX9 46.893 32 Tim Uptegrove BMW 2011 335is Space Gray FUN 46.932
33 Craig Marshall SVR 2001 M3 Silver FUN 47.173 34 Lee Deter SVR 1995 993 Polar Silver Fun 47.184
35 JERRY Karr
2000 "Tigger" orange FUN 47.318 36 Scott Gille GGR 2006 Cayman S Red AX9 47.389
37 Paul Czopek YOS 2009 Cayman Macadamia SS-4 47.452 38 Bob Thiessen SVR 1973 911T Red AX16 47.903
39 Wilson Cheng
2009 RX8 Black FUN 48.004 40 Dustin Crosthwaite
2004 WRX Sti Silver FUN 48.191
41 Victor Chan SVR 2001 996 Black Metallic FUN 48.822 42 Jeff Stroud SVR 1974 914 White FUN 49.125
43 Callie Abbey
2001 996 Black Metallic FUN 49.409 44 Mike Mistretta SVR 2008 997 C4S Black FUN 49.570
45 D`Artagnan Stubbs
1974 914 White FUN 49.609 46 Jay Bortolotto BMW 1985 535i Blue FUN 50.059
47 Bruce Ungari SVR 1959 356 "Convt.D" Silver FUN 50.390 48 Melinda Lincoln
2002 M3 Blue FUN 51.869
49 Brady Marshall SVR 1995 325i Black FUN 52.615 50 Eric Chevreuil
1964 500 D Orange FUN 54.858

Effects your turn-in.

Nice work Rob.

Time to trade up to a Pirate Ship....

I can't wait for the paint either but I am forcing myself to. I have missed too many events over the last few years to blown engines and such... I am going to drive the piss out of it and paint it in the winter next year...

I wouldn't mind a trip around the cones in that worthy craft for sure matey!

How do you like the 8.5's?

E,
They were a little wide for George's factory flare reproduction. The flares have a bit more of a inside lip than the factory ones. I have often heard it said that the factory flares were of a lighter gauge metal but never that the inner lip was half that of the repops. Fortunately, Mark had a car with factory flares on the project floor at the OC. So when he put the wheels on the car and discovered the 'rub' he checked the other flares on that car and modified the reproduction flares on mine.
I think Mark said there was room for 3/4" inside offset but Harvey may not be able to do that with this method.
The purely esthetic answer to your question is that I love them!

Really just wondered how they looked against the inside. 3/4" total or another 3/4" left to go? I would think another 3/4 would max it out.

There is a little room on the inside. Definitely more breathing room than the outside. But you would be hard pressed to max it out unless you were building completely custom wheels and could specifically choose your offset. I did a bunch of measuring and math today based on Robs wheels and decided that if you built a 9" wheel with a 11mm offset and ran a 245 tire it should fit. But everything would have to be just-so and the sidewalls on the tire you buy would be a big concern.

9"x15 with 275/45 is what some of the factory GTs used to run back in the day.
However, it is next to impossible to find tires in that size anymore.

As for the offset, instead of trying to find the perfect offset, one can simply use long wheel studs and spacers to get the wheels just right.

Mark,

did you see a decent place to section the rear flares and add a strip?
I can go look but I bet you have thought about it a bit....

richb

Check out Armando's GT website. He's got a full pictorial on how to do this ...

wow....never saw that...
Looks like he started in 2011....

rich

Not really. The 911 8's (x15") are very close to the lip generally. Adding a spacer would simply put the tire into the fender. The 9's are even worse as the extra inch comes on the outside. If you look at the factory cars with 9's they had the fenders pulled. Knowing this going into it, you can mount the flares out a bit.

With the 8's there seems to be about an inch plus on the inside. Spacers won't do much good in helping maximizing that useable space. I tried a custom 9 that was an 8 with an inch added on the backside. My tires rubbed. That's why the 8.5's came to be which is why I was wondering how they fit.

Stock flares can be tough.